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goout
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Huh?
What are you addressing?
What are you addressing?
Pro-life as if People Mattered:Economics Alone Cannot Solve the Abortion Problem
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Anrakyr
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Autonomy, not everything is so simple.
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goout
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Please, specify what you are responding to and how.
I did not make a claim for simplistic answers. I acknowledged that parents face difficult circumstances.
It’s also undeniable that we live in a time of unprecedented prosperity, compared to any other time in human history. Using any measurement you would like to use.
Medical care
Access to free food and housing.
Education.
And in the developed world, we are killing tens of millions of children.
Which tells you, the problem isn’t scarcity, it’s the denial of human dignity, subjecting it to personal autonomy.
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Anrakyr
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Your point is so far off base I can’t even.
Look you sound like someone claiming hunger is caused by desire.
Kinda true but not enough to make an issue over it.
Look you sound like someone claiming hunger is caused by desire.
Kinda true but not enough to make an issue over it.
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goout
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Specifics please
Dissect the reasoning in my post in some kind of specific way.
You can do it!
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Anrakyr
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This is false equivalent point.
Better?
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Annie
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No, the Church never “agrees” that someone can procure an abortion.
There are some fatal or near-fatal medical problems the mother might have for which the treatment of the mother might or will cause the death of the child as a side-effect.
There are some fatal or near-fatal medical problems the mother might have for which the treatment of the mother might or will cause the death of the child as a side-effect.
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Annie
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First, who is demonizing?
Second, the point goout was making was that never before has there been such prosperity, yet never before has there been such demand for abortion.
Ergo, the problem is not economics but something else. What could that be?
Second, the point goout was making was that never before has there been such prosperity, yet never before has there been such demand for abortion.
Ergo, the problem is not economics but something else. What could that be?
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Anrakyr
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Ectopic pregnancy
The problem is that people don’t trust people to make the best moral decision.
If I want to take a day off work and the boss asked for a note that should be the end of it but it never is. There’s always the nagging doubt that this thing or other is never truly justified.
As such people are not left to choose for themselves.
That said abortion is horrible.
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goout
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Specifics?goout:
This is false equivalent point.
Better?
Third ask.
Assuming you have no point.
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goout
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The morality in this question points to the sanctity of life. That is the objective value.Annie:
Ectopic pregnancy
When an ectopic pregnancy directly threatens the life of the mother, the procedure that is done ends the life of the child, but not as a direct and malicious intent towards the life of the child. This is called the principle of double effect.
This is a difficult moral evaluation to make, but please take note: the objective good that forms the basis for the evaluation does not sway in the wind.
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Annie
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Not treated by an abortion, but by removal of the tube threatening the mother.
Perhaps because so many people are making bad moral decisions? Isn’t this what all laws about? Isn’t this why we have laws against drunk driving, theft, fraud, assault, and murder?
I don’t know what kind of work you do, but for most jobs, this level of suspicion your boss seems to hold is kinda weird.
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Anrakyr
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Depends where the baby is and in what context.
How do you know? That’s the real problem.
You arn’t arrested or prohibited BEFORE they are broken.
We also have innocent till proven guilty?
You know what happens when you assume.
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goout
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Then you should discuss the points.
Go ahead.
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Annie
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The most common tubal pregnancy is in the tube. Overall, the Catholoc Church is fine with treating the mother as long as the end or goal of the treatment is not directly attacking the unborn human.
All I am saying is that your original statement was put in a way that made it an error.
What do you mean? There are laws against theft, right? And people who steal are liable to judicial processes as a result, right? And we have people in prison who are there because they have been ruled guilty of theft, right? Ergo, we see that people can not be twisted to always do the moral thing, because even when there are laws against the immoral act, people act immorally.
That is how I know.
I am prohibited from stealing as I write. That is the whole point of the law, to create a blanket prohibition.
As to being arrested before I steal, well, who is talking about arresting people before they perform abortions?
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Anrakyr
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No you aren’t and further-moor most first world counties excuses stealing if there is a need.
Everything boils down to circumstance.
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goout
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And not even you believe what you just wrote.Annie:
No you aren’t and further-moor most first world counties excuses stealing if there is a need.
Everything boils down to circumstance.
because I am in a hurry to get to work, and circumstantially you are crossing the road, and I am entitled to run you down because I and my time and my convenience are really important.
Obviously, circumstances are only one part of a moral evaluation.
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Annie
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Do you understand what the word prohibit means?
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goout
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At the core, we don’t have a maliciousness problem in our culture, we have an ignorance problem.
People have literally lost the ability to think coherently.
People have literally lost the ability to think coherently.
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Anrakyr
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Do you believe people are innocent till proven guilty?
Do you believe that people have the right to explain themselves?
Do you believe that people should self govern?
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