Pro-Life Gays and Lesbians asked to leave prolife march

[Joe_Kelley]

WhiteDove:

I have no idea why they like to single themselves out, but perhaps they want to show that not all Gays are utterly self centered hedonists. I imagine they hope that some people will see that gay people also can have a high regard for life.

Part of it is a group identity thing for them. Thats the community they identify with. It’s probably more than sexuality. The gay community seems to be rather close knit. Actually, they might be inviting derision from many within that community because their stance is probably out of the mainstream, just like a conservative Black person is sometimes called an ‘Uncle Tom’.

So do they march as Gays for Life in pro-Gay parades?

 

[KDoerr]

fix:

If we can’t “judge” those who use crack, or cocaine, or sniff glue, etc as doing something gravely wrong then we have lost all sense of proportion and justice.

In every addiction there is an element of choice.** Not all addicts carry the same guilt,** but they all have free will.

I agree there is an element of choice. Not all addicts are crack, cocaine or glue-sniffing addicts. There’s more prescription drug over-doses admitted to emergency rooms right now. The fastest growing population of those are the elderly. It’s really hard to see them lumped in with the KKK and nazis. Add a dealer in there and I can see a similarity.

Last year during a mission at our parish, a guy come in obviously strung out on crank. He sat there shaking and crying, causing somewhat of a disruption. Eventually Father came and sat with him and then led him out to another area of the church. Obviously this young man felt safe enough to come for help. Wonder if the parish had the attitude some here have if this man would have come for help? The beauty of the Church is that it reaches out.

 

[legeorge]

WhiteDove:

I have no idea why they like to single themselves out, but perhaps they want to show that not all Gays are utterly self centered hedonists. I imagine they hope that some people will see that gay people also can have a high regard for life.

Part of it is a group identity thing for them. Thats the community they identify with. It’s probably more than sexuality. The gay community seems to be rather close knit. Actually, they might be inviting derision from many within that community because their stance is probably out of the mainstream, just like a conservative Black person is sometimes called an ‘Uncle Tom’.

Wow, I never heard that “Uncle Tom” thing, that’s not very nice. Our best friend is a Protestant black man who is pro-life. I thought all Christians were. I also have no problem with gay people, just with them forcing it in my face. (I have a childhood friend who has since decided she is a lesbian. I still love her, but don’t want her wearing a big gay sign in front of my kids.) Since the march is a family event, organized by religious persons, they could have a little respect. I have no problem with them being there, I just have trouble believing they can’t be there without big signs proclaiming their sexual orientation since they know that is a controversial topic. And besides, being pro-life is out of the mainstream, for all people living in this culture no matter what your race, religion, or sexual orientation.

 

[fix]

KDoerr:

I agree there is an element of choice. Not all addicts are crack, cocaine or glue-sniffing addicts. There’s more prescription drug over-doses admitted to emergency rooms right now. The fastest growing population of those are the elderly. It’s really hard to see them lumped in with the KKK and nazis. Add a dealer in there and I can see a similarity.

Last year during a mission at our parish, a guy come in obviously strung out on crank. He sat there shaking and crying, causing somewhat of a disruption. Eventually Father came and sat with him and then led him out to another area of the church. Obviously this young man felt safe enough to come for help. Wonder if the parish had the attitude some here have if this man would have come for help? The beauty of the Church is that it reaches out.

The point of this thread is that any of us who may be immersed in a sinful way of living have no legitimate reason to advertize it as normal. Certainly we should not use our public sins to try and gain legitimitacy for those sins.

Addicts come in all shapes and sizes. Prescirption drug addicts are not automatically less sinful than the crack user. There seems to be a tendency in our culture to minimize sin and make every violation of the moral law a medical condition or a “bad choice”.

Lisa Ns post was giving many different examples of the absurdity of claiming public sinners are entitled to march in a pro life group advertizing their sins.

 

[katherine2]

Joe Kelley:

So do they march as Gays for Life in pro-Gay parades?

They did in Philadelphia.

 

[Lisa_N]

fix:

The point of this thread is that any of us who may be immersed in a sinful way of living have no legitimate reason to advertize it as normal. Certainly we should not use our public sins to try and gain legitimitacy for those sins.

Addicts come in all shapes and sizes. Prescirption drug addicts are not automatically less sinful than the crack user. There seems to be a tendency in our culture to minimize sin and make every violation of the moral law a medical condition or a “bad choice”.

Lisa Ns post was giving many different examples of the absurdity of claiming public sinners are entitled to march in a pro life group advertizing their sins.

Exactly. The whole point is not to marginalize any group or to tell anyone their support is unwelcome, but to suggest that it was inappropriate for people to advertise their sexual practices, particularly when it detracts from the message of preserving human life. I really don’t think it’s appropriate to try to highjack a very important cause in order to push an unrelated political agenda. Using the other examples of would be public sinners is simply to make the point and not to equate drug addicts with Nazis

Lisa N

 

[fix]

Lisa N:

Exactly. The whole point is not to marginalize any group or to tell anyone their support is unwelcome, but to suggest that it was inappropriate for people to advertise their sexual practices, particularly when it detracts from the message of preserving human life. I really don’t think it’s appropriate to try to highjack a very important cause in order to push an unrelated political agenda. Using the other examples of would be public sinners is simply to make the point and not to equate drug addicts with Nazis

Lisa N

False compassion is abundant. Everything goes, except telling another their actions are wrong.

 

[Lisa_N]

fix:

False compassion is abundant. Everything goes, except telling another their actions are wrong.

Yes it’s interesting how the word judgement has become an anathema although the word itself is not a pejorative. Judgement is necessary, else all situations and all people would be viewed through the same lens. I am sure that is not what is intended by the "non-judgmental’ faction but that would be the actual result if judgement were suspended.

Lisa N

 

[theTaxCollector]

Lisa N:

Yes it’s interesting how the word judgement has become an anathema although the word itself is not a pejorative. Judgement is necessary, else all situations and all people would be viewed through the same lens. I am sure that is not what is intended by the "non-judgmental’ faction but that would be the actual result if judgement were suspended.

Lisa N

Again Lisa, we agree. Humility is the source of all virtue, and Pride is the source of all sin.

It amazes me that people do not realize that in a case like this, the source evil (i.e. homosexual acts) is overlooked by the ‘non-judgemental’ crowd, even though it obviously is the root cause of the conflict. Instead, those of us ‘judgementals’, while admittedly not perfect, attempt to point out this root cause and get blasted for humbly trying to ‘admonish the sinner’.

As is always, sin and evil cause a chain reaction effect.

 

[sweet_moya]

rlg94086:

I agree they shouldn’t be kicked out, but there is something I don’t understand. Why in the world is a group compelled to form as a “Gay & Lesbian” Pro-Life group? Sexual preference shouldn’t be an identity, and I think this is where the problems come in. If I had homosexual tendencies and wanted to join a pro-life group, I would join based on my faith…

God Bless,

Robert.

probably because they were not welcomed into a non Gay and Lesbian pro life group