Pro-Life Hypocrisy

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Old Benedict there is completely forthcoming in his attacks on homosexuality, Buddhism, and Islam. He has shown a disturbing tendency to insult anyone and everyone who doesn’t believe in his view. If he actually cared about the victims who have had abortions, he would make a statement. Alas, he doesn’t really care…
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Greetings…

This is actually my first post here and I decided to start it with a doozy. When I was young, I was extremely Catholic. I taught Children’s liturgy, served on the altar, and volunteered as much as I possibly could. At one point, I had our parish priest convinced that I would become a Bishop. However, as I grew, I began developing questions that nobody in my community could (or would) answer to my satisfaction.

As I get older, I want to reconnect to my past and my religion is something I feel a particular need to reconnect to. So, I have a need to learn about some of my biggest problems and see if, perhaps, I am completely mistaken.

One of my main concerns is the Church’s devout support of the Pro Life movement. I believe in the sanctity of life. I even have difficulty eating meat because, frankly, we could grow so much more food if we didn’t have so much livestock.

My problem lies in the methods espoused by the Pro Life community. One of their major marketing methods is to juxtapose anti-abortion messages next to pictures of beautiful babies. Another one of their major marketing methods is to use extremely visceral descriptions of abortions. Take this horrible quote from www.abortionfacts.com

“This is like a breech delivery. The entire infant is delivered except the head. A scissors is jammed into the base of the skull. A tube is inserted into the skull, and the brain is sucked out. The now-dead infant is pulled out. The drawings illustrate this.”

That horrible description is combined with horribly graphic images which, frankly, I will spare you.

What happens when a woman who has had an abortion reads that? Or what happens when she sees a picture of a perfectly healthy baby juxtaposed with anti-abortion messages? Or what happens when she walks by one of the extremely common graves to ‘the unborn victims of abortion’?

If she suffers from post-abortion syndrome, she suffers greatly. One could easily argue that this sort of trauma could trigger symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder. In their zeal to protect the unborn, psychopaths who hide behind Christian ideals get to wage an organized war against those poor woman who have actually had abortions. Is this actually Christian?

The Jesus who I am down with hung out with really bad people. His crew was made up of prostitutes and tax collectors. He was such a compassionate soul that he forgave the people who crucified him. So why aren’t his followers willing to forgive those women who have abortions? And, if they are, why do they have to use abusive methods that will result in great amounts of suffering?

I think I’ll conclude this with one of my all-time favourite passages from my all-time favourite (accepted) gospel. Matthew 7:21-23 reads, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
Actually, it is a living baby that can cause an onset of PAS symptoms. Situations where the post-abortive woman has to be around children near the age of what her child would have been, such as holding a friend’s new arrival, passing a playground, eating at a table near a family, etc can bring on PTSD symptoms, PAS symptoms, crying, hysteria, lightheadedness, etc.

Anniversaries are also big triggers. Mother’s Day, Christmas, the estimated due date/month, estimated conception date/month…these are very sad days for many post-abortive women.
 
The more senses you engage, the deeper the affect upon the psyche. Talking about abortion is, at least, a two sided dialogue. Showing pictures of abortions is psychological abuse and, frankly, I believe that it is a hate crime.
Why? It’s not targeted to women with PAS. It expresses hate against abortion, but that’s hardly a bad thing.
 
Greetings…

This is actually my first post here and I decided to start it with a doozy. When I was young, I was extremely Catholic. I taught Children’s liturgy, served on the altar, and volunteered as much as I possibly could. At one point, I had our parish priest convinced that I would become a Bishop. However, as I grew, I began developing questions that nobody in my community could (or would) answer to my satisfaction.

As I get older, I want to reconnect to my past and my religion is something I feel a particular need to reconnect to. So, I have a need to learn about some of my biggest problems and see if, perhaps, I am completely mistaken.

One of my main concerns is the Church’s devout support of the Pro Life movement. I believe in the sanctity of life. I even have difficulty eating meat because, frankly, we could grow so much more food if we didn’t have so much livestock.

My problem lies in the methods espoused by the Pro Life community. One of their major marketing methods is to juxtapose anti-abortion messages next to pictures of beautiful babies. Another one of their major marketing methods is to use extremely visceral descriptions of abortions. Take this horrible quote from www.abortionfacts.com

“This is like a breech delivery. The entire infant is delivered except the head. A scissors is jammed into the base of the skull. A tube is inserted into the skull, and the brain is sucked out. The now-dead infant is pulled out. The drawings illustrate this.”

That horrible description is combined with horribly graphic images which, frankly, I will spare you.

What happens when a woman who has had an abortion reads that? Or what happens when she sees a picture of a perfectly healthy baby juxtaposed with anti-abortion messages? Or what happens when she walks by one of the extremely common graves to ‘the unborn victims of abortion’?

If she suffers from post-abortion syndrome, she suffers greatly. One could easily argue that this sort of trauma could trigger symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder. In their zeal to protect the unborn, psychopaths who hide behind Christian ideals get to wage an organized war against those poor woman who have actually had abortions. Is this actually Christian?

The Jesus who I am down with hung out with really bad people. His crew was made up of prostitutes and tax collectors. He was such a compassionate soul that he forgave the people who crucified him. So why aren’t his followers willing to forgive those women who have abortions? And, if they are, why do they have to use abusive methods that will result in great amounts of suffering?

I think I’ll conclude this with one of my all-time favourite passages from my all-time favourite (accepted) gospel. Matthew 7:21-23 reads, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
Well let me say this loud and clear howl. I hope women (and anyone else who cooperated) who have had abortions come to Jesus and His Church and repent. If they come to Him and repent then they will have peace. The peace that He only can give. However if they havent come to Him then they should be haunted by their deeds. They took their child’s life. They should be horrified. The truth is the truth. Abortion is murder. The baby is slaughtered in the mother’s womb. That is the truth and the truth shall set you free.
 
The Abortion issue is not even in the top 3 issues of voters this year.
  1. The economy
  2. The Iraq war
  3. Healthcare
are the top 3. Rights of the unborn are ignored by the media, being explained away in all the normal ways.

The Pro-life crowd, in an effort to try to “shock”, displays graphic pictures of medical procedures in an effort to “shock the conscience”

As both sides have their rabid supporters and their own tactics, we who are reasonable people that wouldn’t have an abortion wondering why?

Personally, the message is right but the delivery is all wrong. Standing in front of an abortion facility praying your rosary and just being there in case there is doubt is enough.

It is like the animal that is cornered, they need options. Don’t embaress them, give them hope. A lot of people don’t know about giving up the child for adoption, care during pregnancy. I would venture to say most of these are young mothers that don’t have anywhere to go. Show them love and be a friend.

When the Adultress was about to be stoned, Jesus asked “Who is without sin can throw the first stone, and didn’t condemn her either.” We are all in this together, help these dear young scared mothers and their babies.
Protection of life is 1st in my decision of whom to vote for.😃
 
Greetings…

This is actually my first post here and I decided to start it with a doozy. When I was young, I was extremely Catholic. I taught Children’s liturgy, served on the altar, and volunteered as much as I possibly could. At one point, I had our parish priest convinced that I would become a Bishop. However, as I grew, I began developing questions that nobody in my community could (or would) answer to my satisfaction.

As I get older, I want to reconnect to my past and my religion is something I feel a particular need to reconnect to. So, I have a need to learn about some of my biggest problems and see if, perhaps, I am completely mistaken.

One of my main concerns is the Church’s devout support of the Pro Life movement. I believe in the sanctity of life. I even have difficulty eating meat because, frankly, we could grow so much more food if we didn’t have so much livestock.

My problem lies in the methods espoused by the Pro Life community. One of their major marketing methods is to juxtapose anti-abortion messages next to pictures of beautiful babies. Another one of their major marketing methods is to use extremely visceral descriptions of abortions. Take this horrible quote from www.abortionfacts.com

“This is like a breech delivery. The entire infant is delivered except the head. A scissors is jammed into the base of the skull. A tube is inserted into the skull, and the brain is sucked out. The now-dead infant is pulled out. The drawings illustrate this.”

That horrible description is combined with horribly graphic images which, frankly, I will spare you.

What happens when a woman who has had an abortion reads that? Or what happens when she sees a picture of a perfectly healthy baby juxtaposed with anti-abortion messages? Or what happens when she walks by one of the extremely common graves to ‘the unborn victims of abortion’?

If she suffers from post-abortion syndrome, she suffers greatly. One could easily argue that this sort of trauma could trigger symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder. In their zeal to protect the unborn, psychopaths who hide behind Christian ideals get to wage an organized war against those poor woman who have actually had abortions. Is this actually Christian?

The Jesus who I am down with hung out with really bad people. His crew was made up of prostitutes and tax collectors. He was such a compassionate soul that he forgave the people who crucified him. So why aren’t his followers willing to forgive those women who have abortions? And, if they are, why do they have to use abusive methods that will result in great amounts of suffering?

I think I’ll conclude this with one of my all-time favourite passages from my all-time favourite (accepted) gospel. Matthew 7:21-23 reads, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
This doesn’t make any sense. Why would you not want people to know what they are doing when they have an abortion? How is telling people the truth unloving? What does the pro-choice movement have to hide?

You are using pious platitudes to obscure the moral issue, which is that human lives are being taken and prolife people are trying to expose what is going on.

Edwin
 
First of all, I take exception to Howl’s disrespect of our Holy Father, if he is the one Howl was referring to as “Old Benedict.” Were you given the charism of the reading men’s hearts?

Secondly, the triggers of PAS are many and varied. It can be the sound of a vacuum cleaner or a dentist’s drill. Or a song that was playing in the office, the smell of pine or whichever disinfectant was used in the abortion clinic. The anniversary of the abortion, or the due date that never was. For Norma McCorvey (Roe of Roe v. Wade who never had an abortion herself) it was driving by an empty school playground and realizing that she had assisted in enough abortions that would have filled that yard with children.

Father Frank Pavone has more experience than many of us, and he has found that more hearts are converted, cracked and softened, enfleshed by the reality of abortion as displayed by those abhorrent pictures of the choice that so many argue for today. The pictures are often in front of the abortuaries to make the mothers face the reality of what it is they are choosing for their children. They are not targeted at post-abortive women, but at those who support abortion or are considering having one.

I believe that Post-Abortion Syndrom (PAS) is the Holy Spirit at work in our world. It is a singular grace for these women to be given signs that their souls are in grave disorder. I never had an abortion, but I sinned greatly when I was away from the Church. If God hadn’t allowed me trials and pain, I would never have turned back to him.

I don’t like the idea of the pain these post-abortive women face, but I like the idea of suppressed, covered-up pain and sin less. It is a cancer that eats at us, causing many to booby trap their own success and not know why, to seek ever more dangerous pursuits, to turn to drugs and alcohol, or boyfriends that are abusive or who won’t commit. There are studies that show that post-abortive women die more often from suicide than women who never had abortions.

I am nearly always moved to tears and hate to see the abortion pictures, just as much as I hate to see the representation of Jesus on the Cross on which I placed Him. ParadoxicaIly, though, I love to see the depth of His love for me and the Church reflected by His choosing to be on that Cross…

And finally, just as each of us is a unique soul, and has a unique calling and faith journey, some are converted by words, some by actions, and some, my friends, are converted by pictures of that which they can only refer to euphemistically.

In Christ’s peace and joy,

Robin L. in TX
 
The problem I have with those pictures is that the deliberately suggest that the fetus felt pain, that it was a fully sentient being, the equal of a fully developed 9 mon. old. But this is not the case. The brain developes very slowly. The fetus does not suffer, has no consciousness. It is not the same as killing a “born” baby yet they suggest to the women that it is. No wonder there is trauma.
 
perhaps, I am completely mistaken.
Yes to me you are…
My problem lies in the methods espoused by the Pro Life community. One of their major marketing methods is to juxtapose anti-abortion messages next to pictures of beautiful babies. Another one of their major marketing methods is to use extremely visceral descriptions of abortions. Take this horrible quote from www.abortionfacts.com
Sorry if we can’t paint a nice picture of a murdered baby.
“This is like a breech delivery. The entire infant is delivered except the head. A scissors is jammed into the base of the skull. A tube is inserted into the skull, and the brain is sucked out. The now-dead infant is pulled out. The drawings illustrate this.”

That horrible description is combined with horribly graphic images which, frankly, I will spare you.
Utterly disgusting, barbaric and demonic.
What happens when a woman who has had an abortion reads that? Or what happens when she sees a picture of a perfectly healthy baby juxtaposed with anti-abortion messages? Or what happens when she walks by one of the extremely common graves to ‘the unborn victims of abortion’?
Oh how horrible for them, we’re taking about murdered babies here, the horror they feel is a billion times out of proportion with the horrible homicide that has been committed, on Gods creation, “be fruitful and multiply” was the command, not be fruitful and murder.
If she suffers from post-abortion syndrome, she suffers greatly. One could easily argue that this sort of trauma could trigger symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder. In their zeal to protect the unborn, psychopaths who hide behind Christian ideals get to wage an organized war against those poor woman who have actually had abortions. Is this actually Christian?
Yes the horror of abortion, the baby dies the mother and sometimes the father never get over it.

It would be far better to help them, abortion isn’t the answer, there are lots of couples who want to adopt if the parents really don’t want the child.

Sadly the nightmare these women live for the rest of their lives is hardly ever told, satan has blinded them into thinking that killing their off-spring is the only way, when too quickly many realise what a deadly mistake they’ve made.
The Jesus who I am down with hung out with really bad people. His crew was made up of prostitutes and tax collectors. He was such a compassionate soul that he forgave the people who crucified him. So why aren’t his followers willing to forgive those women who have abortions? And, if they are, why do they have to use abusive methods that will result in great amounts of suffering?
We are supposed to forgive, but the ultimate Judge shall be God when those people are whisked into His presence when they breathe their last.

So I pray that God will forgive them, mine is only a human imperfect forgiveness, “I forgive you but” ?
I think I’ll conclude this with one of my all-time favourite passages from my all-time favourite (accepted) gospel. Matthew 7:21-23 reads, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
Evil doers indeed, the docs and the nurses and the crooked governments of the world that legislate for this, they’re all guilty as sin, even the mothers, may God have mercy on them, we all need it.
 
One of my main concerns is the Church’s devout support of the Pro Life movement. I believe in the sanctity of life. I even have difficulty eating meat because, frankly, we could grow so much more food if we didn’t have so much livestock.

My problem lies in the methods espoused by the Pro Life community. One of their major marketing methods is to juxtapose anti-abortion messages next to pictures of beautiful babies. Another one of their major marketing methods is to use extremely visceral descriptions of abortions. Take this horrible quote from www.abortionfacts.com

“This is like a breech delivery. The entire infant is delivered except the head. A scissors is jammed into the base of the skull. A tube is inserted into the skull, and the brain is sucked out. The now-dead infant is pulled out. The drawings illustrate this.”

That horrible description is combined with horribly graphic images which, frankly, I will spare you.

What happens when a woman who has had an abortion reads that? Or what happens when she sees a picture of a perfectly healthy baby juxtaposed with anti-abortion messages? Or what happens when she walks by one of the extremely common graves to ‘the unborn victims of abortion’?

If she suffers from post-abortion syndrome, she suffers greatly. One could easily argue that this sort of trauma could trigger symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder. In their zeal to protect the unborn, psychopaths who hide behind Christian ideals get to wage an organized war against those poor woman who have actually had abortions. Is this actually Christian?
First of all, let’s iron something out: the Church does not “support” the pro-life movement; the Church is the definition of “pro-life”. One must separate the Church’s teachings from the actions of Her members. That the movement’s aims align with the Church’s does not mean that the Church condones their actions.

That said, let’s move on to your example.

The goal of such tactics is not to shame women who’ve had abortions – though, if that leads them to Christ, so be it – it’s to educate people who don’t know the whole truth. The pro-abortion movement is rife with people who want this truth withheld, as evidenced by the strident opposition to “informed consent” laws. Resources like the one you cited seek to inform the reader of the particulars of an abortion procedure, a procedure which is gruesome and violent at its heart. There is no way to “sugar coat” these facts so people’s feelings aren’t hurt or so nobody gets nauseated.

I have no figures for you, but common sense should say that, if there is such strong opposition to informed consent laws, then a large portion of women who consider abortion do not know the full story, or at least have not yet examined the issue from the proper perspective – that is, one that begins with the assumption that the fetus is a person with an inherent right to life.

Peace,
Dante
 
The more senses you engage, the deeper the affect upon the psyche. Talking about abortion is, at least, a two sided dialogue. Showing pictures of abortions is psychological abuse and, frankly, I believe that it is a hate crime.
How exactly is it a hate crime? What criminal elements are met to make it a crime?

In Christ,
Rand
 
I have a question of my own –

Why must people say that an infant can’t feel pain until this point or that they are just cells until this point?

Why can’t people understand that life is sacred, that it is precious - no matter then or where that life starts to feel or know pain, or even think - why do people believe that they have the right to choose when life can start and when it can end?

thats more than one question i know - and perhaps it’s not just questions but just me being confused by things like why abortions happen in the first place

We need to protect all life - especially life that can’t protect itself!
 
Greetings…

This is actually my first post here and I decided to start it with a doozy. When I was young, I was extremely Catholic. I taught Children’s liturgy, served on the altar, and volunteered as much as I possibly could. At one point, I had our parish priest convinced that I would become a Bishop. However, as I grew, I began developing questions that nobody in my community could (or would) answer to my satisfaction.

As I get older, I want to reconnect to my past and my religion is something I feel a particular need to reconnect to. So, I have a need to learn about some of my biggest problems and see if, perhaps, I am completely mistaken.

One of my main concerns is the Church’s devout support of the Pro Life movement. I believe in the sanctity of life. I even have difficulty eating meat because, frankly, we could grow so much more food if we didn’t have so much livestock.

My problem lies in the methods espoused by the Pro Life community. One of their major marketing methods is to juxtapose anti-abortion messages next to pictures of beautiful babies. Another one of their major marketing methods is to use extremely visceral descriptions of abortions. Take this horrible quote from www.abortionfacts.com

“This is like a breech delivery. The entire infant is delivered except the head. A scissors is jammed into the base of the skull. A tube is inserted into the skull, and the brain is sucked out. The now-dead infant is pulled out. The drawings illustrate this.”

That horrible description is combined with horribly graphic images which, frankly, I will spare you.

What happens when a woman who has had an abortion reads that? Or what happens when she sees a picture of a perfectly healthy baby juxtaposed with anti-abortion messages? Or what happens when she walks by one of the extremely common graves to ‘the unborn victims of abortion’?

If she suffers from post-abortion syndrome, she suffers greatly. One could easily argue that this sort of trauma could trigger symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder. In their zeal to protect the unborn, psychopaths who hide behind Christian ideals get to wage an organized war against those poor woman who have actually had abortions. Is this actually Christian?

The Jesus who I am down with hung out with really bad people. His crew was made up of prostitutes and tax collectors. He was such a compassionate soul that he forgave the people who crucified him. So why aren’t his followers willing to forgive those women who have abortions? And, if they are, why do they have to use abusive methods that will result in great amounts of suffering?

I think I’ll conclude this with one of my all-time favourite passages from my all-time favourite (accepted) gospel. Matthew 7:21-23 reads, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
Be careful of calling people hypocrites. If you aren’t, then you will look like one. Furthermore please, please, please DO NOT generalize. Do not EVER say “you all are…”, or “you all believe…”. Nine chances out of ten, you will be wrong.

[SIGN]All but the most obvious of generalizations are wrong.[/SIGN]

Case in point.
 
I have a question of my own –

Why must people say that an infant can’t feel pain until this point or that they are just cells until this point?

Why can’t people understand that life is sacred, that it is precious - no matter then or where that life starts to feel or know pain, or even think - why do people believe that they have the right to choose when life can start and when it can end?
This was the same mindset which led to post reformation slavery and the rise of Hitler. Dehumanization.
 
Before joining a small group of Christians in protest outside of an abortion clinic, I told myself - If they are harassing or belittling the young women going in in any way, I will not stand with them. They were loving and kind. One of the young ladies standing with us had an abortion at that clinic but later gave her life to Christ. There was nothing vague about her witness or loving concern for the young women going inside.

Another young lady handed out information booklets to anyone who would accept them, offering alternatives to abortion.

At the end of World War II, a group of soldiers filmed the dead, mangled, burned and dismembered corpses of the enemy and of our own men. The US government forbade them from showing it. The title “Lest We Forget.”

God bless,
Ed
 
Another question - royal archer

are you saying my post itself is dehumanizing, or if abortion and the right to choose when life starts and ends is. :confused: im a little confused by your reply
 
The problem I have with those pictures is that the deliberately suggest that the fetus felt pain, that it was a fully sentient being, the equal of a fully developed 9 mon. old. But this is not the case. The brain developes very slowly. The fetus does not suffer, has no consciousness. It is not the same as killing a “born” baby yet they suggest to the women that it is. No wonder there is trauma.
What is being described above and shown in those pictures is more commonly known as partial-birth abortion, where the fetus is actually fully developed and the woman is giving birth to the child at the time his/her brain is sucked out. I was pretty sure that method was banned in the US but I could be wrong.

I’ve often heard of premature babies whose parents cannot hold them for some time after their birth because their nerve endings are too sensitive and it would cause them pain to simply be held. You can’t tell me they don’t suffer pain when they’re being aborted. It is exactly the same as killing a ‘born’ baby! I saw a bumper sticker once that said, “If it’s not really a baby, you’re not really pregnant!”
 
i think some people need to research more about fetal pain - because what ive heard is completely different from what I see here. – not saying that i know everything

but i agree with Pixie Dust and I honestly don’t know why people think they have the power to choose when life starts!

anyways if you’re Catholic or are any Christian - you shouldn’t support abortion anyway - and i think you know why

also remember that if you do and you are Catholic - you shouldn’t receive Holy Communion – the Pope addressed that when he came to the U.S.
 
The more senses you engage, the deeper the affect upon the psyche. Talking about abortion is, at least, a two sided dialogue.
Showing pictures of abortions is psychological abuse and, frankly, I believe that it is a hate crime.
If you were about to do something, would you not want to make an informed decision about that choice???

The Pro-Life groups that show such photos do so to inform people about the result of their actions.

You have a right to be informed.

Howl, you should think about this some more.

Ask yourself some questions. Why does our news media never show the death that results because of abortion??

They’ve showed dead people on TV before. Just a few weeks ago, they showed dead people in Burma on the evening news in order to stir people’s hearts and get them motivated to act and rachet up international pressure on the Burmese government to allow International Aid into their country and save people’s lives.

But abortion is always white-washed over by the news media.

I can’t think of a major Cable or Network News Media channel (including Fox News and the Wall Street Journal) or major city newspaper in the United States that uses the word Pro-Life.

They always use the word “anti-abortion”.

And the only day the media covers abortion in any depth is in January on the anniversary of the Supreme Court decision (if at all, even then).

So these groups take their message to the streets.

Human beings are created by God in His Likeness and Image.

The Catholic Church teaches Truth.

Pope Benedict did say that society should protect the life of the unborn child during his Homily at the Mass held at Yankee Stadium on his recent visit to the United States.

And the late Pope John Paul II also made statements against abortion.

All the Cable News stations covered Pope Benedict’s Mass.

Well, you may think it is a hate crime, and that is your personal opinion.

So, I deduce then you are for Censorship and infringing on human beings’ rights to Freedom of Expression under the First Amendment???

And could you say that abortion is an act of love??

A Mother killing her child???
 
Another question - royal archer

are you saying my post itself is dehumanizing, or if abortion and the right to choose when life starts and ends is. :confused: im a little confused by your reply
The rationalization that these people are somehow less than human as an excuse to kill them. That is dehumanizing.
 
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