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Pro-Life Leader Responds to National Post Article Blaming Pro-Life Movement for Tiller Murder
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Palm_Tree
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I wouldn’t be so ready to stick up for Stephanie Gray. Like she wrote, she’s upset at Mr. Cosh because “he’s named…my organization’s parent affiliate, the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform (CBR), and implied that we were at least in part responsible for violence against Tiller.”
What Colby Cosh took issue with “the so-called 'Genocide Awareness Project’ being run on Canadian campuses by the California-based Center for Bio-Ethical Reform.”
I agree with Cosh on that one. That Genocide Awareness Project was highly controversial and highly inflammatory.
I also found it disturbing that Stephanie Gray used this quote from MLK:
*With Cosh’s rhetoric, I am reminded of the clergymen who were critical of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s controversial approach. In his Letter from Birmingham Jail, King responded by saying, “In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn’t this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? …We must come to see that … it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber.” *
It’s like Stephanie Gray is comparing her group’s controversial **highly inflammatory **actions to MLK’s controversial peaceful actions. Yeah, MLK’s peaceful actions resulted in violence because he was advocating black rights, and some whites didn’t want to hear that (MLK ended up being murdered by a white guy). But Stephanie Gray’s group is not engaging in peaceful actions like MLK. Stephanie Gray’s group would be more comparable to Malcolm X or Louis Farrakhan or the Black Panthers, groups that used highly inflammatory actions to advocate black rights.
But then again, Stephanie Gray just might have honestly misunderstood Mr. Cosh’s point regarding the Genocide Awareness Project. I do like the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform’s website, abortionno.org/ – but I think they went too far with the Genocide Awarness Project. But all in all, I strongly recommend abortionno.org/ – especially when it just sticks to showing pictures and videos of abortions and aborted fetuses without adding the highly flammatory additions (pictures of black people being lynched, etc). The pictures and videos of abortions and aborted fetuses are all that is needed to get the point across.
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OchsFam
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I would be interested to see what highly inflammatory, non peaceful actions you are talking about. I was not aware of the Genocide Awareness Project until recently, but from what I understand, they are simply putting pictures out to inform and make connections people aren’t making right now. The connection needs to be made because it is true, but of course people don’t want to hear truth sometimes so it upsets them. In this way, you could make a connection to this organization and MLK. Not everyone wanted to hear what he was saying even though it was done peacefully.I wouldn’t be so ready to stick up for Stephanie Gray.
It’s like Stephanie Gray is comparing her group’s controversial **highly inflammatory **actions to MLK’s controversial peaceful actions.
I may be unaware of something else they are doing, but if you are talking about their pictures comparing abortion to historical forms of genocide, there is nothing wrong with that. Since the abortion industry refuses to educate people on exactly what an abortion is, it makes complete sense to bring this education to the people. I applaud this tactic as it is making their point in a profound and peaceful manner. People need to realize it is a life and if showing a picture or a video does this, it needs to be done. You never know how it will impact people. One person may be upset by it and call it highly inflammatory and one may call it highly educational.
Just because it is controversial does not make it inflammatory when you are simply stating truth. Abortion is genocide as it is the senseless murder of innocent people. If someone doesn’t see it right away, then the signs will hopefully help. We cannot help what abortion looks like, it isn’t pretty and if people don’t want to see it, maybe they should be against abortion, not the signs.
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most pro-life peaceful are not violent and Tiller’s murder is not our fault. Unborn children are being murdered and we have the right, even the obligation to oppose it. I oppose Tiller’s killing, but how many murders did he commit? pro-choice people and everyone who thinks he was so wonderful should consider that. that goes for other abortionists too. and they should also remember that pro-life people advocate for life. to assume that most of us are violent and support murder is illogical and untrue.
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Palm_Tree
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Like I said, abortionno.org/ is one my favorite tools in advocating against abortion. I am in favor of showing people pictures and videos of aborted babies and abortions.I would be interested to see what highly inflammatory, non peaceful actions you are talking about. … they are simply putting pictures out to inform …there is nothing wrong with that. … I applaud this tactic as it is making their point in a profound and peaceful manner. …
When I was freshman or sophomore in high school, my Catholic school teachers showed us pictures of abortions and aborted babies as part of our education. They did a great job, they did it in a very peaceful, very non-inflammatory manner. Had my Catholic school teachers presented those pictures to us in the inflammatory way the Genocide Awareness Project did with some of their signs, the class would have thought our teachers were insane. Being insane is not good for the Pro Life movement. This is very important to understand. Yes, abortion is a highly charged, emotional issue, and it is easy to lose your mind, go insane, became irrational and fanatic. But if you do that, you are not helping–but instead hurting the Pro-Life movement.
Just plastering giant full-color pictures of highly graphic R-rated material in public is going to offend a lot of good people, especially when it is bloody pictures of dead children (regardless if it is bloody pictures of dead Iraqi children killed by US bombs, bloody pictures of aborted babies, bloody pictures of the children blown up in the bombings of the homes of abortion doctors or whatever).
Reasonable, sane minds in the Pro-Life movement might differ whether it is okay or not to plaster giant full-color R-rate graphic pictures of bloody dead children in public. As for myself, I’m in favor of doing so… I’m in favor of showing as many people as possible bloody pictures of aborted children. But I’m sane enough that it should be done in a manner as peaceful and non-inflammatory as possible, because I’m not a lunatic.
Signs like this are not presenting disturbing pictures of aborted children in a peaceful and non-inflammatory manner:
abortionno.org/RCC/signs/05.html
(sign directly portraying Planned Parenthood as exponentionally more evil than Al Qaeda and the Empire of Japan of WWII, two groups that we went to war with with the intention of killing them and bombing them like some people kill abortion doctors and bomb abortion clinics)
abortionno.org/RCC/signs/07.html
abortionno.org/RCC/signs/08.html
(two signs indirectly comparing the the Pro-Choice crowd to the Nazis, a group that we went to war with with the intention of killing them and bombing them like some people kill abortion doctors and bomb abortion clinics)
Many of their other signs are doing a very poor job of presenting disturbing pictures of aborted children in a peaceful and non-inflammatory manner: for example, signs talking about how “PITCHING A BABY IN THE TRASH,” signs WITH HARSH-TONED MESSAGES WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS LIKE THIS… like they are hysterically screaming at you like lunatics, etc.
If you think this is “peaceful” and “non-inflammatory,” then you are have lost touch with reality. Again, abortion is a highly charged, emotional issue, and it is easy to lose your mind, go insane, became irrational and fanatic. But if you do that, you are not helping–but instead hurting the Pro-Life movement.
But like I said, all in all, I like what abortionno.org is doing. Like I said, it one my favorite tools in advocating against abortion.
Not all their ads are done in an inflammatory and non-peaceful manner. For example, their website has one ad that shows a graphic picture of an aborted baby that just says “AbortionNo.org” with the subtitle “I had an abortion… it was a terrible experience… Had I seen this site… I would never have done it. I’m pregnant now and abortion [is no longer] an option. --07.22.07.” That’s a great ad done in a peaceful and non-inflammatory manner.
My favorite part of the website is the gallery of pictures of aborted babies. See
abortionno.org/Resources/pictures.html
It just shows the pictures without saying anything inflammatory or non-peaceful. It just says:
“The following abortion images are the backbone of CBR’s various public, abortion-education projects (The coins and pencils are included as a size reference and are part of the original photos). All ages are in weeks from fertilization. These abortion pictures are available for download so long as you cite CBR as the image source and agree to the following terms. Click specific abortion picture to enlarge for viewing or download (close pop-up window after viewing).”
That’s a great job of presenting it in peaceful, non-inflammatory manner.
Bottom line is that just showing people bloody pictures of aborted babies and abortions is going to be controversial to sane, reasonable people… it is highly disturbing R-rated graphic material. So if you are going to show people pictures of aborted babies and abortions (which I think is a good thing), you are insane if you don’t do so in the most peaceful and non-inflammatory way possible. Like I said, being insane, out of touch with reality, is not helping the Pro Life movement.
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OchsFam
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I guess I don’t make that next step. I see the picture associating tragedies. Many were killed in Pearl Harbor and 9/11, but even more are killed every day due to abortion. It makes an even more significant impact that we did go to war over these people killed in Pearl Harbor and 9/11 yet we legalize a far more tragic and staggering evil. I don’t see it as inciting support for those bombing and killing at abortion clinics. I really don’t think that is their purpose.…sign directly portraying Planned Parenthood as exponentially more evil than Al Qaeda and the Empire of Japan of WWII, two groups that we went to war with with the intention of killing them and bombing them like some people kill abortion doctors and bomb abortion clinics
As far as the next pictures, I see it linking genocides. The holocaust, racism and abortion all have a dislike of a group of people to the point of destroying them. Each of them are equally evil acts. Again, I see the sign as an association of tragedies, not as a sign attempting to incite rage or retribution.
As far as the ALL CAPS messages, I think it is again a tragedy what people do to babies and it is completely legal. It is an outrage what has become of our society and its treatment of the unborn. Some people need to be yelled at for what they have done. Some people are so blind and stubborn. I do not think yelling is always an answer, but I do not think it is inflammatory.
That being said, I understand that some people may see these things as inciting something or as inflammatory. My point was that the peaceful demonstrations of MLK were causing the same reaction in people who disagreed with him to the point of violence against him (he was murdered after all). Would you say MLK’s demonstrations were not peaceful because they caused other people to react violently? In this regard, I think you could easily compare it to MLK (I hate comparing MLK to this, but it wasn’t my comparison). I have not lost touch with reality because I think that MLK’s demonstrations were peaceful. A demonstration is peaceful if it is not violent. If it portrays violence, that does not make it a violent demonstration. Abortion is violent, more violent than anything else they could possibly put a picture of on a poster.
Do they need to show pictures of the holocaust next to a picture of an unborn baby? Probably not, but there are people out there who deny the holocaust. It does not make it any less real. I really think people do not know the scope and scale of abortion and if putting it in terms that people do understand helps, I still say more power to them.
I suppose we are going to disagree on this point and I most certainly do not agree with any violence associated with the pro-life movement, but I do not think portraying violence does anything but hammer home just how ridiculously violent abortion is. I do not think these pictures weaken the pro-life argument at all. I do think there may be a better, less controversial way to do it, but you would get the same reaction from people if you just had the pictures of aborted babies hanging up without any other tragic acts next to it.
In conclusion, do I like looking at the pictures? No. Do I think it is the best way to make a point? Probably not. Do I think it is inflammatory and non-peaceful? Definitely not. I think they are doing a decent job of getting people to think about just how horrible abortion really is. It is not for everybody, but you are talking about the most heinous crime ever committed in human history. Some people really don’t realize that. Maybe this will help them see because nothing else has worked so far.
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