Pro-life people hate women?

[Flame4]

Well I’m pro-life…and a female (so no I don’t hate women.)
Why do people always bring this argument. Plenty of males I know think they are supporting women by being Pro-abortion (Pro-choice…oh rly) One of the reasons I am Pro-Life is because I want to support women and not bring the pain of abortion to them. sigh

 

[kimmielittle]

Well I’m pro-life…and a female (so no I don’t hate women.)
Why do people always bring this argument. Plenty of males I know think they are supporting women by being Pro-abortion (Pro-choice…oh rly) One of the reasons I am Pro-Life is because I want to support women and not bring the pain of abortion to them. sigh

IMHO they attempt this ad hominem because they used to think only guys were pro-life.

 

[Rascalking]

Some males, the real disgusting ones (and I’m male, by the way) are pro-choice because they don’t want to take responsibility for their actions.

The reason people think that pro-lifers hate women is because (and this is just my opinion, I don’t speak for anyone, and I don’t think this way) they think pro-lifers want to oppress women-keep them in the home and pregnant.

Clearly, this isn’t the case. It’s just how some of my pro-choicers categorize pro-lifers.

 

[edwest2]

That is the lie that is currently being promoted. Not allowing abortion is promoted as anti-woman and hateful. The other heavily promoted and irrational image is of the “barefoot and pregnant” 1950s housewife, chained to the kitchen stove. I was born in the mid-1950s, and the average number of kids on my street was two – that’s T W O.

The radical feminists needed to train women to think of themselves as victims and created the eternal enemy - Men.

They also had the media help them divide men and women by showing one women yelling at abortion protestors on TV: “Get your beliefs off my body!” If a women became pregnant - poof - suddenly the man, and the baby, disappeared from the picture. She had the “freedom” to dispose of the child as she saw fit. Problem is, today, the reason for most abortions is contraceptive failure. So men and women can’t play at having sex. That’s the reality that the media and radical feminists do not and cannot promote. Abortion is a business, an ugly business. A life is lost.

Who decides when you choose to have sex? Abortion protestors? The government? Your body and you choose. No one else.

God bless,
Ed

 

[willofgods]

I’m a pro-life man. If a woman has had an abortion (or a man has allowed or pressured their “partner” to abort his child), they may have regret in their heart and so hate their choice, they project that hate onto pro-lifers (i.e., “If I hate myself for it, then so must they!”)
I am convinced some people believe anti-abortionists are praying that the women who have chosen to get an abortion will go to Hell.

Personally, I pray that they decide for a better option and that if they don’t, that our Holy Mother comfort them (for they surely are or have entered into inner turmoil) and bring them back to our Lord.
Another thing, at 7 months, premature babies can survive with the aid of an incubator. I don’t know if anyone else does this, but I pray that one day technology allows that to be sooner. All costs aside, I know that if a woman could choose between allowing their baby to live (without the woman having to change their lifestyle) or die, they would choose life!

 

[flyingfish]

Well I’m pro-life…and a female (so no I don’t hate women.)
Why do people always bring this argument. Plenty of males I know think they are supporting women by being Pro-abortion (Pro-choice…oh rly) One of the reasons I am Pro-Life is because I want to support women and not bring the pain of abortion to them. sigh

Some of the more hardcore pro-life positions would deny abortions even in the case of a danger to a mother’s health and life. To me that does seem like it devalues women.

 

[edwest2]

Some of the more hardcore pro-life positions would deny abortions even in the case of a danger to a mother’s health and life. To me that does seem like it devalues women.

If the woman is the master of her own body then she should not risk pregnancy. A common fallacy is that abortion is a health procedure. The woman’s body is designed to have children.

Pro-lifers are not forcing her to choose to have sex.

God bless,
Ed

 

[vera_dicere]

Well I’m pro-life…and a female (so no I don’t hate women.)
Why do people always bring this argument. Plenty of males I know think they are supporting women by being Pro-abortion (Pro-choice…oh rly) One of the reasons I am Pro-Life is because I want to support women and not bring the pain of abortion to them. sigh

I’m a Pro-Life Catholic feminist, so meh to those unawares of the history of the feminist movement, which was pro-life!

From my feminist persepective, abortion is a tool of an anti-woman, male dominated society, it says to teh pregnant teenager, NO! You cannot be pregnant! We will not fund your education AND your child! Shame on you, you stupid wh0re! It says to the pregnant career minded woman, NO! you cannot have a baby and be a CEO! We will not give you maternity leave, we will not ensure your position is safe as you raise your baby those first vital few months! It says to the pregnant university student NO! You cannot have a baby and study to be a lawyer! We will not provide a creche on campus, we will tell everyone you are a brain washed moron! What kind of feminist are you!?

The male dominated society tells women when, where and under what circumstances they can be pregnant, and if you dont’ fit those circumstances, you are pressured into abortion! Just watch TV shows and abortion is seen as just some normal procedure that’s easy and only morons and religious nut jobs have mental problems later.

Men benefit more from abortion then a woman ever does, it gives a man the right to just walk away, he’s nto the one who has to undergo an invasive medical procedure, he’s not the one who has to carry the guilt for the rest of his life. How many women do we know who were told by their boyfriends “if you dont’ get an aboriton, I’m leaving you” and when they do get an abortion, the guy takes off anyway.

Abortion was legalised by men, for men! Roe itself actually doesnt’ legalise aboriton par se, it makes it illegal to charge an abortionist for committing abortions. So a woman who uses herbs in the privacy of her own home can be charged with committing an illegal abortion.

The radical pro-abortion feminists have bought one heck of a lie. Liberation is not found on our backs with our legs in the air, our gentials exposed to a mask stranger who is violating our wombs.

Of course, not all men or aspects of society are such inclined.

 

[vera_dicere]

Some of the more hardcore pro-life positions would deny abortions even in the case of a danger to a mother’s health and life. To me that does seem like it devalues women.

The numbers just don’t back up the rape or life of mother claim. I’m sure even those most hard core of the pro-life crowd would accept a law that banned abortions for all reasons except those that get teh pro-abortion collective panties in a bunch.

*********Reasons for terminations:

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Rape: 0.3%
Incest: 0.03%
Protection of mother’s life: 0.2%

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Source: Guttmacher Institute, 2008, July. Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States. guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html.abortion facts

That means 99.47% of abortions are for “social” reasons. Its hard to take seriously the pro-abortion claim that abortion is needed to save lives and spare women the trauma of rape pregnancies when 99.47% of abortions are for “social” reasons.

 

[Rence]

Well I’m pro-life…and a female (so no I don’t hate women.)
Why do people always bring this argument. Plenty of males I know think they are supporting women by being Pro-abortion (Pro-choice…oh rly) One of the reasons I am Pro-Life is because I want to support women and not bring the pain of abortion to them. sigh

Because some pro-lifers are poor representatives of the movement. Men and women alike have represented themselves in my circle as women-opressing, and have so much as said that women are for baby making, and that men should have control over women. It’s pretty offensive. But not all pro-lifers are like that of course. Some actually are staunch feminists and believe women who have abortions are “forced” to do so by oppression, poverty and abuse, and they feel that by abolishing abortion, they are saving women.

Women haters wear many hats, and can be anybody. They can be pro-life (“those women must have babies, they don’t deserve control over themselves, freedom or autonomy”) or pro-choice (“so what if they get pregnant, they can always abort”).

I’d like to point out though that just because one is a woman, doesn’t mean she is disqualified from being a woman-opressor. There are women who truly believe they are subject to men, and should be humble and meek in the presence of men, and should be lesser than men. I’ve been told by women that women who are in abusive relationships who get the krap beat out of them regularly, should just bear their cross and “offer it up”, and if that’s not a woman hater, I don’t know what is.

 

[kage_ar]

Some of the more hardcore pro-life positions would deny abortions even in the case of a danger to a mother’s health and life. To me that does seem like it devalues women.

No, it values all PEOPLE, born and unborn.

 

[flyingfish]

The numbers just don’t back up the rape or life of mother claim. I’m sure even those most hard core of the pro-life crowd would accept a law that banned abortions for all reasons except those that get teh pro-abortion collective panties in a bunch.

*********Reasons for terminations:

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Rape: 0.3%
Incest: 0.03%
Protection of mother’s life: 0.2%

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Source: Guttmacher Institute, 2008, July. Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States. guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html.abortion facts

That means 99.47% of abortions are for “social” reasons. Its hard to take seriously the pro-abortion claim that abortion is needed to save lives and spare women the trauma of rape pregnancies when 99.47% of abortions are for “social” reasons.

First that doesn’t include other health issues, including mental health.

Still, even ignoring those reasons, denying abortion means placing a mindless fetus ahead of the woman’s quality of life.

 

[Rence]

The numbers just don’t back up the rape or life of mother claim. I’m sure even those most hard core of the pro-life crowd would accept a law that banned abortions for all reasons except those that get teh pro-abortion collective panties in a bunch.

I have to respectfully disagree with you Vera. I used to be pro-life until I was bombarded by “so what if a woman is raped” and “it doesn’t matter if she is raped, she has to have the baby anyway”, and “you’re a pro-death person, if a woman is raped and has an abortion (or heck, even takes Plan B in the ER), she is worse than her rapist ever is”, and “it should be outright outlawed, rape isn’t an excuse”. So no, I don’t think that would be acceptable to pro-lifers, which has pushed me to the pro-choice side. A rape victim should not be subject to pro-lifers.

That means 99.47% of abortions are for “social” reasons. Its hard to take seriously the pro-abortion claim that abortion is needed to save lives and spare women the trauma of rape pregnancies when 99.47% of abortions are for “social” reasons.

Well, I’m sure that if it wasn’t taken to such extremes, the pro-life movement would have had Roe vs. Wade overturned by now. But they want to force rape victims to be forced to be pregnant, they want to abolish birth control, they want condoms taken off the shelves, they want everyone to follow the Catholic rules of abstinence, and they’re pushing the people who are “unsure” or on the fence, to the other side. And until they stop being so rigid with other peoples’ lives, I doubt it ever will be.

 

[kage_ar]

First that doesn’t include other health issues, including mental health.

Still, even ignoring those reasons, denying abortion means placing a mindless fetus ahead of the woman’s quality of life.

8 weeks after conception, the baby has a brain.

Life is life. Degree of intellect does not determine life.

Your life is no more important than mine.

 

[adv1sor]

Some of the more hardcore pro-life positions would deny abortions even in the case of a danger to a mother’s health and life. To me that does seem like it devalues women.

I’ve been fortunate enough to know several mothers in my life. I’ve never met a single one that would put their own life ahead of their child’s.

Degree of intellect does not determine life.

Were this the case they’d have declared me dead a long time ago

 

[flyingfish]

I’ve been fortunate enough to know several mothers in my life. I’ve never met a single one that would put their own life ahead of their child’s.

Really? So many women have abortions, so obviously countless women value not just their lives, but their comforts and quality of life above their babies.

Maybe once they’re born biochemistry kicks in and they would die for their newborns, I have to doubt it though. If you’re willing to abort a fetus for comfort, would you really die for a newborn? The biochemistry in the brain would have to be really powerful for this to happen.

Maybe once the children are older and talking and thinking, and there is a relationship I could believe it.

 

[kimmielittle]

The numbers just don’t back up the rape or life of mother claim. I’m sure even those most hard core of the pro-life crowd would accept a law that banned abortions for all reasons except those that get teh pro-abortion collective panties in a bunch.

***Reasons for terminations:

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Rape: 0.3%
Incest: 0.03%
Protection of mother’s life: 0.2%

Source: Guttmacher Institute, 2008, July. Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States. guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html.abortion facts

That means 99.47% of abortions are for “social” reasons. Its hard to take seriously the pro-abortion claim that abortion is needed to save lives and spare women the trauma of rape pregnancies when 99.47% of abortions are for “social” reasons.

guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
I corrected your link

 

[Flame4]

Because some pro-lifers are poor representatives of the movement. Men and women alike have represented themselves in my circle as women-opressing, and have so much as said that women are for baby making, and that men should have control over women. It’s pretty offensive. But not all pro-lifers are like that of course. Some actually are staunch feminists and believe women who have abortions are “forced” to do so by oppression, poverty and abuse, and they feel that by abolishing abortion, they are saving women.

Women haters wear many hats, and can be anybody. They can be pro-life (“those women must have babies, they don’t deserve control over themselves, freedom or autonomy”) or pro-choice (“so what if they get pregnant, they can always abort”).

I’d like to point out though that just because one is a woman, doesn’t mean she is disqualified from being a woman-opressor. There are women who truly believe they are subject to men, and should be humble and meek in the presence of men, and should be lesser than men. I’ve been told by women that women who are in abusive relationships who get the krap beat out of them regularly, should just bear their cross and “offer it up”, and if that’s not a woman hater, I don’t know what is.

Maybe there are women who consider themeselves as subject to men. I am not one!:thumbsup:I consider myself a feminist- that is I want EQUAL rights for men and women…I don’t know if feminist is the right term for that, but anyway. Sure there are people who are pro-life that hate women. However I don’t think being **pro-life its self **is opressing women.

 

[Flame4]

Really? So many women have abortions, so obviously countless women value not just their lives, but their comforts and quality of life above their babies.

Maybe once they’re born biochemistry kicks in and they would die for their newborns, I have to doubt it though. If you’re willing to abort a fetus for comfort, would you really die for a newborn? The biochemistry in the brain would have to be really powerful for this to happen.

Maybe once the children are older and talking and thinking, and there is a relationship I could believe it.

That’s funny because I was a very weak baby when I was born. My mother had to leave me in the hospital after giving birth (after she was better.) I had to stay. This is about a week after I was born. My mother tells me she had never been more depressed. I couldn’t talk, walk, or anything. If she had to give her life for me, ya I’m sure she would have. Are you telling me my mom didn’t love me because I couldn’t walk and talk and “think”?! There wasn’t a “real realtionship”?! I think she loved me the most then, right after I was born and she held me in her arms. Thanks:ehh:

I always though parents loved there children to no end, that they would be willing to die for them. I though it was a no-brainer. Hmm, guess I was wrong then.

 

[Flame4]

I have to respectfully disagree with you Vera. I used to be pro-life until I was bombarded by “so what if a woman is raped” and “it doesn’t matter if she is raped, she has to have the baby anyway”, and “you’re a pro-death person, if a woman is raped and has an abortion (or heck, even takes Plan B in the ER), she is worse than her rapist ever is”, and “it should be outright outlawed, rape isn’t an excuse”. So no, I don’t think that would be acceptable to pro-lifers, which has pushed me to the pro-choice side. A rape victim should not be subject to pro-lifers.

Well, just to clarify, the Catholic teaching is Pro-life, no matter how the baby was conceived- rape, etc. Yes I know its sounds like it hates women. But I’ve always heard people that do get pregnant through rape and have an abortion take longer to get over the rape than the abortion. Of course no one is able to completely get over both, however the abortion hurts more than the rape. So I would assume its helping women.

Helping people isn’t always giving them the easy way out. If our society was more loving towards these women, the maybe they would be afraid and end up having an abortion. I as a teenager would be scared out of my mind if I got pregnant. I would want people to love me and tell me they are there. However shouldn’t I want them to do what is best in the long run, not what feels good at the time? Thats why my parents always tell me to study instead of watching T.V. They know what will help me in the long run, even if i don’t like it now.

Well, I’m sure that if it wasn’t taken to such extremes, the pro-life movement would have had Roe vs. Wade overturned by now. But they want to force rape victims to be forced to be pregnant, they want to abolish birth control, they want condoms taken off the shelves, they want everyone to follow the Catholic rules of abstinence, and they’re pushing the people who are “unsure” or on the fence, to the other side. And until they stop being so rigid with other peoples’ lives, I doubt it ever will be.

I’m not pro-life to please people but to do the right thing. The truth isn’t going to change just because people feel a certain way. Sure we should take things one step at a time. But remember the MAIN reason we are pro-life is because the fetus deserves to live. We believe it is a “person”. Does it stop being a person because the mother was raped?? Its still a person. Biologically, its the same as any other fetus. So to be pro-life except in the case of rape would destroy the whole argument. It would get rid of the whole point of being pro-life.