Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice Candidates

[Nate13]

Maybe I should tell my friend that she should change her opinion of her assault and rape by two men. She couldnt face bringing up a baby that she couldnt afford to raise… She never wanted children. What was she to do??

I don’t suggest murder as a viable option to my friends. Punishing the child is the cowardly thing to do. Instead of investing our money in better ways to prevent the rape from ever happening (more lighting, more police, more awareness, better warning systems) we spend it on figuring out the best ways to destroy a child in the womb.

 

[estesbob]

As someone who always voted pro-life, I’ve become discouraged by how little progress has been made on this issue as well as the lack enthusiasm that supposed pro-life candidates show for actually ending abortion.

What’s more (and this is only my opinion, so don’t flame me), is the deterioration in the quality of “conservative” politicians. I put conservative in quotation marks because their ideology barely resembles classical conservative beliefs. I apologize in advance for these uncharitable words, but they all seem to be either stupid or crazy at best. At worst, they are intentionally setting up roadblocks to our economic recovery simply to hurt the president at the expense of the American people. In good conscience, I simply cannot vote for a republican again until some fundamental changes are made within the party.

Of course, this means I will have to vote for a candidate that is mostly likely pro-choice. Should I feel guilty about this? I’m not voting for them because they are pro-choice, but in spite of it.

I’m curious how other’s feel about this dilemma.

*No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion," he said.

“You may in some circumstances where you don’t have any candidate who is proposing to eliminate all abortion, choose the candidate who will most limit this grave evil in our country, but you could never justify voting for a candidate who not only does not want to limit abortion but believes that it should be available to everyone,” he said.
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Cardinal Raymond Burke

 

[estesbob]

EXAMPLE for you to chew over…
should the woman whi has been raped (it could be her husband, or a stranger, friend, anyone…) should she have to endure 9 months of hell, to be followed by a lifetime of being reminded of the event every time she looks at her child?? Hmm

If the rapist does not impregnate her should she have the right to kill one of the rapists children (if he has any)?

 

[Giordano_Bruno]

I give up… We aint gonna agree on this one . Ever. Not unless one of us has some kind of epiphany, or some life experience that may bring us closer in our opinions. till then…No offence was intended throughout my rant, very emotive subject. Difficult to remain subjective…

 

[Nate13]

I give up… We aint gonna agree on this one . Ever. Not unless one of us has some kind of epiphany, or some life experience that may bring us closer in our opinions. till then…No offence was intended throughout my rant, very emotive subject. Difficult to remain subjective…

Lets both hope that common sense rules the day.

 

[Giordano_Bruno]

Lets both hope that common sense rules the day.

Yup to that, Just could see things gettin out of hand, (well, on my part anyway)

 

[Corki]

EXAMPLE for you to chew over…
should the woman whi has been raped (it could be her husband, or a stranger, friend, anyone…) should she have to endure 9 months of hell, to be followed by a lifetime of being reminded of the event every time she looks at her child?? Hmm

If she endures 9 month of hell, it’s the child’s fault? Gee, I thought it was the rapists fault. I guess the best way to punish the rapist is to kill an innocent child. (not) If she endures such suffering, it speaks more to the lack of compassion of her family and friends as well as a shortcoming in the support our society gives to victims of sexual assaults. It does not give her the right to take her pain and suffering out on another innocent human being.

Not being a woman, i cannot answer this fully, but i cannot believe you would say that…who are we to decide about someones capacity to love in such a situation. This is my original point… each situation is different, Surely the victim should decide the outcome… Never mind the unborn child in this case, what about the trauma of the woman?

Interesting. There are two victims here, the woman and the baby. How is it a rational outcome for one victim to kill the other victim. And doesn’t the second victim get the same voice in the decision about the outcome. Wouldn’t a better outcome be to lock up the rapist and throw away the key?

Maybe I should tell my friend that she should change her opinion of her assault and rape by two men. She couldnt face bringing up a baby that she couldnt afford to raise… She never wanted children. What was she to do??

Giving birth does not always mean that the woman choses to bring up the child. Many women chose to place the child for adoption. Sometimes its to put a point of closure on their ordeal. Sometimes it’s to protect the child from a rapist who learns the child’s paternity in the future. It’s a good and virtuous choice.

I give up… **We aint gonna agree on this one **. Ever. Not unless one of us has some kind of epiphany, or some life experience that may bring us closer in our opinions. till then…No offence was intended throughout my rant, very emotive subject. Difficult to remain subjective…

Nope, not on this forum. You can’t come to a place called **Catholic **Answers and expect to get any support for abortion from the masses.

Now, back to the topic at hand.

 

[Rock_Happy]

As someone who always voted pro-life, I’ve become discouraged by how little progress has been made on this issue as well as the lack enthusiasm that supposed pro-life candidates show for actually ending abortion.

What’s more (and this is only my opinion, so don’t flame me), is the deterioration in the quality of “conservative” politicians. I put conservative in quotation marks because their ideology barely resembles classical conservative beliefs. I apologize in advance for these uncharitable words, but they all seem to be either stupid or crazy at best. At worst, they are intentionally setting up roadblocks to our economic recovery simply to hurt the president at the expense of the American people. In good conscience, I simply cannot vote for a republican again until some fundamental changes are made within the party.

Of course, this means I will have to vote for a candidate that is mostly likely pro-choice. Should I feel guilty about this? I’m not voting for them because they are pro-choice, but in spite of it.

I’m curious how other’s feel about this dilemma.

I think the two party system produces very poor politicians. I would favor a more parliamentarian approach. But that is probably not a topic for this forum.

I agree with you that the quality of politicians seems worse each with each campaign. This is true for both parties, in my opinion.

 

[dcharles]

The reason the economy is tanking, IS because only 3% of the voting population made defending the right to life of newborn babies their number one factor when they voted, for at least the past 15 years.

And if you think things are bad now, you haven’t seen anything yet. We will have massive unemployment, and massive poverty in this country. Nothing can stop this from happening. This has happened over and over in the past when government spending went out of control. But this is not the bad part. When this major crash happens people will have a choice again, to either vote for the pro-abortion candidates who promise the government will solve everything by more control and spending, or vote for the pro-life candidates who promise to cut spending.
Based on human nature which wants handouts, the anti-Christian media, and the past voting records, I predict that the population will vote for the pro abortion candidates, which will result in our loss of freedom and oppressive communism for the next 30-70 years, depending on how much God determines it necessary to chastise us for rejecting His basic teachings on the value of human life.

 

[Z_Ninja]

your friend is one person… What about the rest who may feel differently… As I said… Each case is different.

Each CASE is different, but Each unborn child is also still innocent. The fault belies the rapist. not the mother and certainly not the unborn.