Probably Another Mel Gibson Thread

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I did a quick search and kept getting The Passion threads.

I’ve been wondering, what kind of Catholic is he? Is he just someone who attends TLM or is he in the SSPX or other?

I know this has been discussed before, but I haven’t gotten anywhere on google, nor here in my search.
 
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Lux_et_veritas:
I did a quick search and kept getting The Passion threads.

I’ve been wondering, what kind of Catholic is he? Is he just someone who attends TLM or is he in the SSPX or other?

I know this has been discussed before, but I haven’t gotten anywhere on google, nor here in my search.
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I did a search with Mel Gibson Traditional Latin and saw an article that says he is not SSPX. I’ll keep looking.
 
Mel’s church is in schism with the Catholic Church. He believes that the Chair of Peter is empty—a sedavacanist. I’m not sure which schismatic sect it is that he belongs to though.
 
Ok, that is what I was wondering.

Are you sure about this? Did he ever make a statement or is the parish to which he belongs known?
 
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Giannawannabe:
Mel’s church is in schism with the Catholic Church. He believes that the Chair of Peter is empty—a sedavacanist. I’m not sure which schismatic sect it is that he belongs to though.
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I don’t know about “his church.” But I doubt he’s a sedevacantist. He went to Rome recently to show Pope John Paul the Passion, after all. I’ve read that his father is a sedevacantist, but that Mel is not.
 
Scotty PGH:
I don’t know about “his church.” But I doubt he’s a sedevacantist. He went to Rome recently to show Pope John Paul the Passion, after all. I’ve read that his father is a sedevacantist, but that Mel is not.
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That’s the part that confused me is that I thought he had gone to Rome. I know the actor who portrayed Jesus went to Rome and he was recently interviewed on EWTN.

I wonder if he is simply an Orthodox Catholic who prefers TLM?

Nothing wrong with that, imho.
 
Scotty PGH:
I don’t know about “his church.” But I doubt he’s a sedevacantist. He went to Rome recently to show Pope John Paul the Passion, after all. I’ve read that his father is a sedevacantist, but that Mel is not.
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He is also a sedavacantist. I heard it soon after The Passion came out—on EWTN radio. He also worked closely on the film with The Legionaries of Christ as well as visiting the Holy Father in Rome. I’m hoping he comes home to Mother Church.
 
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Lux_et_veritas:
Ok, that is what I was wondering.

Are you sure about this? Did he ever make a statement or is the parish to which he belongs known?
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I saw Mel in an interview with Diane Sawyer. I was so excited to see him talk about The Passion. Then, he was so vague and secretive about his own “Catholic” faith. He swerved and manuevered around questions regarding JPII—I thought “Oh my goodness—he’s in a schismatic sect!!!” Sure enough a couple of weeks later, I heard the clarification on EWTN radio. Al Kresta show I believe.
He has not made a statement regarding this. He believes he truly is Catholic. It seems very much covered up. I do not think it will be easy to find info on it. To me, it did not have an effect on how much I enjoyed The Passion. I’m hoping that his experience with that will bring him home to THE TRUTH.
Diane, ask Father Perrone. He knows about it.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
I did a search with Mel Gibson Traditional Latin and saw an article that says he is not SSPX. I’ll keep looking.
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Unless he is a priest or a member of the third order, then he isn’t “SSPX.”
 
No, no, no…now what we have here are slanderous statements about a man who’s reputation is impeccable and there is no proof condemning him as a member of a sedevancantist group…it is all hearsay and speculation. In the sake of Charity, I would like to ask those levying charges to please substantiate your claims with irrefutable evidence…or refrain from stating falsehoods about this man. I have personally heard him speak and he supports the Holy Father and from everything I can gather from him, he is in full communion with The Church…He is just a very orthodox traditional Catholic who prefers the TLM over the NO…just like a bunch of us on here.

Now, it is a known fact that his father, Hutton Gibson is a member of the SSPV…this is a sore topic for Mel and he will not talk about it in public, because there is already a large rift between him and his father in matters of religion…some mistake his unwillingness to speak publicly or his indifference about his father as some type of acceptance of his lifestyle…but that isn’t the case. He will not speak against him publicly because that is his father and he loves him. His father is really out there though…He has written books discussing a wide array of topics like the Pope not being Catholic, etc…denied the holocaust happened etc.

Let us not persecute the son, for the sins of the father. In everything I have read and hear, Mel Gibson is a practical Catholic in full communion with Rome and I will believe such until I see some credible evidence proving otherwise. To those slandering him…please refrain. It does no good to talk ill of others…that is not charitable and right now you are going off of hearsay.
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Giannawannabe:
He is also a sedavacantist. I heard it soon after The Passion came out—on EWTN radio. He also worked closely on the film with The Legionaries of Christ as well as visiting the Holy Father in Rome. I’m hoping he comes home to Mother Church.
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Doesn’t he have a chapel on his property in Malibu for the TLM?

Maybe a Priest approved by the Archdiocese of Los Angeles (Cardinal Mahoney) says Mass there?

DD
 
He has an SSPX chapel on his property in malibu. Attending an SSPX Mass is not wrong- if you are doing it because you love the Traditional Latin Mass, and cannot easily get to an indult Mass (although I admit he has so much money he could go anywhere he wants anytime he wants- I don’t see how he can’t get to an indult Mass easily) does not mean you are following a schism.

We have the FSSP and the Society of St. John Cantius, but if it weren’t for the SSPX, would we still have the Traditional Latin Mass (SSPX came before the others), or would it be only a relic of the past- as some seem to want it to be?
 
The SSPX (Society St Pius X ) is not in full communion with the Holy See. From what I understand this is not the sect that Mel Gibson is involved with.

It is indeed wrong to attend an SSPX service as their priests and bishops have been disobedient to the Holy See.

There have been quite a number of threads on the subject here at CA Forums with members more knowledgeable than I on the subject. I would do a search about SSPX if you would like more information.
 
Okay. I found a link that may help confirm that Mel Gibson is indeed a sedavacanist. For some reason this information is handled very delicately. Even when discussed on the Catholic Radio show I was listening to, it was handled with kid gloves. Al Kresta (the host) said he wants everyone to pray that Mel returns to Holy Mother Church.

BTW, the SSPX is NOT sedavacanist. The SSPV, an offshoot of the SSPX is sedavacanist and this is the sect to which Mel Gibson belongs. All of these sects believe that they are the “true” Catholics. That is why you won’t hear Mel Gibson calling himself anything, but Catholic.

amywelborn.typepad.com/openbook/2004/01/hmmm.html

I am not trying to slander Mel. I enjoyed “The Passion” and viewing the film reignited my faith. This is just the truth of the situation. The OP was asking whether Mel was sedavacanist.
 
The author of that article is biased and portrays traditionalist wrong…he lumps all traditionalist into the groups of schismatics, such as SSPX…He claims the TLM was “phased out and banished” by the Church and is only present in SSPX Chapels, etc…then he makes claims about Mel Gibson without any substantiation…it also portrays traditionalists as anti-semitic people,etc…the author has an agenda. Bad Article.
netmil(name removed by moderator):
Maybe I put it wrong.
Here is where I found it.
latimes.com/news/local/valley/la-tm-catholics07feb15,1,453302.story?coll=la-editions-valley
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Ok…I am not saying it isn’t true…but the stuff I am reading just doesn’t prove it to me…for instance, the link you provided below has a link to another article that alleges Gibson made anti-Vatican comments, etc…in teh same article, it also claims that Mel Gibson is playing the role of Christ in The Passion??? We all know that isn’t true. Here is a quote from the article: “Gibson told Il Giornale that playing Christ in his latest movie was the toughest role he had taken on. ‘Passion retells the last hours of the life of Christ,’ he said.”…If they lied about this, they will lie about other things…don’t be so quick to condemn. The jury is still out and all I have seen so far is uncredible sources and no substantiation.
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Giannawannabe:
amywelborn.typepad.com/openbook/2004/01/hmmm.html

I am not trying to slander Mel. I enjoyed “The Passion” and viewing the film reignited my faith. This is just the truth of the situation. The OP was asking whether Mel was sedavacanist.
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“It is indeed wrong to attend an SSPX service as their priests and bishops have been disobedient to the Holy See.”

No - its not wrong to go to a SSPX mass. Please read Ecclesia Dei.
 
Dear Lord, what have I started. :nope:

Easy people!

It appears that the best answer is that we really don’t know with 100% certainty one way or the other. I do recall that he and his father were at odds and thought it was over worship in part.

I’ll put it this way. If Mel is not in full communion with the Catholic Church, I pray that the Holy Spirit infuse him with the desire to do so just based on his good and uplifting filmworks.
 
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ddimitro:
Doesn’t he have a chapel on his property in Malibu for the TLM?

Maybe a Priest approved by the Archdiocese of Los Angeles (Cardinal Mahoney) says Mass there?

DD
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He has his own private church on his property in Malibu and no, the priest is not approved by the Archdiocese and the church is not recognized by the Archdiocese and Mel Gibson is not in communion with Rome, but he is also not a member of a specific schismatic group because he is rich enough to hire his own priest and run his own church.

This is not mere speculation because I researched it thoroughly last year in an effort to attend a Mass at Mel’s church (out of curiousity), but I don’t have time to backtrack for that info right now. I had the address and the name of his pastor so the info is out there. If you want to google, add the word “malibu” and possibly “private chapel” or “private church” to your search enquiries and you should find several news stories about it. You might even try “construction permits” since I know one or two stories had to do with that.
 
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