Probably Another Mel Gibson Thread

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Adonis33,

Please read following thread.
I have read Ecclesia Dei.
I’m not sure if you’re saying that attending an SSPX Mass fulfills Sunday obligation or if you’re saying attending SSPX Mass in ADDITION to your Sunday Mass obligation is okay? Please clarify.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=56019

Adonis33 said:
“It is indeed wrong to attend an SSPX service as their priests and bishops have been disobedient to the Holy See.”

No - its not wrong to go to a SSPX mass. Please read Ecclesia Dei.
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jennstall:
He has his own private church on his property in Malibu and no, the priest is not approved by the Archdiocese and the church is not recognized by the Archdiocese and Mel Gibson is not in communion with Rome, but he is also not a member of a specific schismatic group because he is rich enough to hire his own priest and run his own church.

This is not mere speculation because I researched it thoroughly last year in an effort to attend a Mass at Mel’s church (out of curiousity), but I don’t have time to backtrack for that info right now. I had the address and the name of his pastor so the info is out there. If you want to google, add the word “malibu” and possibly “private chapel” or “private church” to your search enquiries and you should find several news stories about it. You might even try “construction permits” since I know one or two stories had to do with that.
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jennstall,

Oh please find your info. I know I’m right on this. I have been chasing down archives from the radio program I heard it on (I don’t even want to tell you how long:) ) I will find the program though and post it here when I do.
 
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dumspirospero:
Ok…I am not saying it isn’t true…but the stuff I am reading just doesn’t prove it to me…for instance, the link you provided below has a link to another article that alleges Gibson made anti-Vatican comments, etc…in teh same article, it also claims that Mel Gibson is playing the role of Christ in The Passion??? We all know that isn’t true. Here is a quote from the article: “Gibson told Il Giornale that playing Christ in his latest movie was the toughest role he had taken on. ‘Passion retells the last hours of the life of Christ,’ he said.”…If they lied about this, they will lie about other things…don’t be so quick to condemn. The jury is still out and all I have seen so far is uncredible sources and no substantiation.
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Okay dums… how about this one?

christophernoxon.com/nyt_sub_pope.html

I will keep looking for more information. I just know I’m right on this one.
 
Pretty interesting…but I still can’t figure out what group he supports, if any…does he have his own little faction??? It seems the only thing we know is that he is a pre-Vat II Catholic with no affilliations to the SSPX or SSPV…what does that leave us with :banghead: …Why doesn’t he just come out and say exactly what he believes??? Why doesn’t EWTN interview him again and ask him straight up what he believes? Oh well…any new information…please post it. Let us pray for him.
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Giannawannabe:
Okay dums… how about this one?

christophernoxon.com/nyt_sub_pope.html

I will keep looking for more information. I just know I’m right on this one.
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Giannawannabe:
Adonis33,

Please read following thread.
I have read Ecclesia Dei.
I’m not sure if you’re saying that attending an SSPX Mass fulfills Sunday obligation or if you’re saying attending SSPX Mass in ADDITION to your Sunday Mass obligation is okay? Please clarify.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=56019
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According to Mgsr. Perle’s interpretation of Ecclesia Dei, one can fullfil ones Sunday Obligation by attending a SSPX mass, if you are going out of love for the Latin Mass - as oppossed to any shizmatic attitude.
 
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Giannawannabe:
BTW, the SSPX is NOT sedavacanist. The SSPV, an offshoot of the SSPX is sedavacanist and this is the sect to which Mel Gibson belongs. All of these sects believe that they are the “true” Catholics. That is why you won’t hear Mel Gibson calling himself anything, but Catholic.
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Okay. After much research, I have discovered that Mel Gibson is probably not a member of the SSPV. He, apparently, has his own sect called “Holy Family” which is an “independent” Catholic church and not in full communion with the Holy See.
Sorry I misspoke here.
 
Mel Gibson (like his father Hutton) have stated that they are in disagreement with Vatican II. They feel some very important aspects of the Catholic Mass has been left out and others inserted in.

They prefer the traditional Latin Mass where women have head coverings (veils), the sacrifice of the Mass has the altar and Priest facing the other way (they feel it gives Christ more importance and were not staring at the Priests face), the Mass is said in Latin, no folk songs, Communion on the tongue and received kneeling…etc…

He wanted a church that was traditional so he built Holy Family, I believe in Santa Monica.

I wish there was a traditional Mass close by although I love the Catholic Churches in my area. The Priests are great.
Of course, I don’t like modernizing and prefer the Church keeps all its’ traditions intact.
Mel Gibson gave us “The Passion of the Christ”. He will be greatly rewarded for this.
 
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Giannawannabe:
Adonis,

I hope you read the thread I highlighted—there’s much info in there to support what I’m saying.

Also,

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=57859
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I was not answering whether or not the SSPX was in shizm - but whether or not one can fulfill your Sunday obligation by going to a SSPX mass.

I did go through the thread. None of the posts, as far as I could tell, addressed Msgr. Perle’s interpretation of Ecclesia Dei.
 
I had read that the priest who performed the daily Mass during the filming of The Passion had been suspended.

I had read that Gibson had his own family chapel, but don’t know if the priest from The Passion consecrates there.
 
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Adonis33:
I was not answering whether or not the SSPX was in shizm - but whether or not one can fulfill your Sunday obligation by going to a SSPX mass.

I did go through the thread. None of the posts, as far as I could tell, addressed Msgr. Perle’s interpretation of Ecclesia Dei.
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It doesn’t matter what Msgr. Perle’s “interpretation” of Ecclesia Dei is. It only matters what the Holy Father says. I will wait to see what Pope Benedict XVI says about the matter. At this time, it appears, there are only “discussions” occuring. I hope the SSPX comes back into the fold as a result of these discussions.

See:

oriensjournal.com/9%20gameplan.html
 
This is what I have found on the subject…note, that the priest are validly ordained, but suspended from being able to perform priestly duties and are in schism…in addition, their masses are valid, but illicit. It goes on to say that one can fulfill their Sunday obligation in only the strictest sense. This is what the article had to say:
“We have already told you that we cannot recommend your attendance at such a Mass and have explained the reason why. If your primary reason for attending were to manifest your desire to separate yourself from communion with the Roman Pontiff and those in communion with him, it would be a sin. If your intention is simply to participate in a Mass according to the 1962 Missal for the sake of devotion, this would not be a sin.”
Read the whole article below:
unavoce.org/articles/2003/perl-011803.htm

But…like someone else said earlier…it is what the Holy Father says and not some Priest…Why would one attend such a Mass if it is possibly a sin? Find an Indult…that is the best solution to this problem. I am still digging up information on this topic. From all I have read, it appears that Perle’s explanation was focused on one individual…not a blanket permission for everyone.
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Adonis33:
I was not answering whether or not the SSPX was in shizm - but whether or not one can fulfill your Sunday obligation by going to a SSPX mass.

I did go through the thread. None of the posts, as far as I could tell, addressed Msgr. Perle’s interpretation of Ecclesia Dei.
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Mel Gibson visited a retired bishop in the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese a month or two ago. He visited the retirement community the retired bishop lives in.
Maybe a search on the Altoona mirror might give you the article.

Gibson was an altar server for the bishop years ago. Who knows why he really stopped by. That’s his business.
 
Only 2 changes need to be noted in the article on Mel Gibson. His date of birth is 1956 not 1958 and his daughter Hannah is no longer considering on being a nun. She’s engaged to be married soon.
 
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Adonis33:
I was not answering whether or not the SSPX was in shizm - but whether or not one can fulfill your Sunday obligation by going to a SSPX mass.

I did go through the thread. None of the posts, as far as I could tell, addressed Msgr. Perle’s interpretation of Ecclesia Dei.
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Adonis, I have found that you have asked this question before. Please refer to your answer in the the following thread:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=43231&page=2&pp=100&highlight=SSPX

Also see this:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=58030

Since this thread is on Mel Gibson’s church affiliation, if you would like to raise your question in a new thread, perhaps you can get more discussion.
 
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Giannawannabe:
Adonis, I have found that you have asked this question before. Please refer to your answer in the the following thread:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=43231&page=2&pp=100&highlight=SSPX

Also see this:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=58030

Since this thread is on Mel Gibson’s church affiliation, if you would like to raise your question in a new thread, perhaps you can get more discussion.
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It seems your references are in conflict with what Msgr. Perle says. I will do some more research. I just pray that the SSPX can accept any terms that the Holy See offers (I think they should). This has been a very emotional situation for me for about 15 years. However - I do not wish to steal this thread. My future comments will be on topic. I apologize for the deveation.

I understand that Mel Gibson wanted to send his children to the SSPX school in St. Mary’s, Kansas, but was turned down due to his previous films. Am I incorrect?
 
Adonis33 said:
“It is indeed wrong to attend an SSPX service as their priests and bishops have been disobedient to the Holy See.”

No - its not wrong to go to a SSPX mass. Please read Ecclesia Dei.
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Not according to Fr. Vincent Serpa.
 
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Giannawannabe:
Mel’s church is in schism with the Catholic Church. He believes that the Chair of Peter is empty—a sedavacanist. I’m not sure which schismatic sect it is that he belongs to though.
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No, I don’t think so. His dad is, but he submits to the authority of the Holy Father. He built a parish in Malibu, Church of the Holy Family that is a traditionalist parish, whatever that means. I don’t believe it is part of the archdiocese of LA, but I don’t know if it is schismatic.
 
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