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[Ruthyankees]

i am sure this has been explained, but. i see lots of arguments against contraception, one argument in particular read something along the lines of, condoms are wrong, Jesus preached about it.
i am curious as too what the Biblical backup of this is.
i understand thou shalt not kill. but why is preventing so wrong?

 

[Debora123]

i am sure this has been explained, but. i see lots of arguments against contraception, one argument in particular read something along the lines of, condoms are wrong, Jesus preached about it.
i am curious as too what the Biblical backup of this is.
i understand thou shalt not kill. but why is preventing so wrong?

There is no bible back up of this, and Jesus did not preach about it.

I can’t help you with your last question because I don’t know the answer to that myself.

 

[fermat]

i understand thou shalt not kill. but why is preventing so wrong?

Contraception is contra-conception. It is something that directly against the will of God. The way you body natural works includes both the ability to participate in conception (procreative) and to participate in the oneness of flesh (unitive). God designed us to work this way. When we purposely interrupt that with intention of gaining the unitive and disabling the procreative, we are in essence, ‘Thanks, but I know better than you how this should be done’.

Choosing to have intercourse with your spouse at a time when you are unlikely to conceive is fine. It is when you short circuit the process for self reasons that you run into sin.

 

[GEddie]

It’s not hard to find the answer to the last part, it’s been done to death; but I cannot do it justice; ask the apologists.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.

 

[Ruthyankees]

Contraception is contra-conception. It is something that directly against the will of God. The way you body natural works includes both the ability to participate in conception (procreative) and to participate in the oneness of flesh (unitive). God designed us to work this way. When we purposely interrupt that with intention of gaining the unitive and disabling the procreative, we are in essence, ‘Thanks, but I know better than you how this should be done’.

Choosing to have intercourse with your spouse at a time when you are unlikely to conceive is fine. It is when you short circuit the process for self reasons that you run into sin.

i have heard/understand that argument, but i still haven’t seen Biblical support of it. What scripture supports this?

 

[roads152]

Debora123 on
(Originally Posted by Ruthyankees View Post
i am sure this has been explained, but. i see lots of arguments against contraception, one argument in particular read something along the lines of, condoms are wrong, Jesus preached about it.
i am curious as too what the Biblical backup of this is.)
wrote:
There is no bible back up of this, and Jesus did not preach about it.

Please meditate on the incident about the son of Judah whose name was Onan. You might find it not far away from condemnation of contraception.
Then do something similar also on the words of Jesus: “I have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.”
After meditation, you probably will reconsider that you wrote: “There is no bible back up of this, and Jesus did not preach about it.”

 

[Fran65]

As Catholics we do not subscribe to Sola Scriptura - the idea that the Bible contains everything necessary for salvation and holiness. We believe that scripture must be supplemented with Church teaching.

There are many, many threads discussing both this and many others discussing contraception.

Pax et Bonum

 

[brand0c0mmand0]

Try Onan for Scriptural backing. God killed him. And as an above post said, we do not subscribe to the illogical doctrine of Sola Scriptura. Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium of the Church are all pillars of faith. Your Mother says it is wrong, therefore to disobey your Mother would be disobeying your Father. You cannot have God as Father should you refuse to have Church as Mother.

 

[Debora123]

Debora123 on
(Originally Posted by Ruthyankees View Post
i am sure this has been explained, but. i see lots of arguments against contraception, one argument in particular read something along the lines of, condoms are wrong, Jesus preached about it.
i am curious as too what the Biblical backup of this is.)
wrote:
There is no bible back up of this, and Jesus did not preach about it.

Please meditate on the incident about the son of Judah whose name was Onan. You might find it not far away from condemnation of contraception.
Then do something similar also on the words of Jesus: “I have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.”
After meditation, you probably will reconsider that you wrote: “There is no bible back up of this, and Jesus did not preach about it.”

Onan was not punished for contraception. He was punished for being disobedient to his duties as a brother. He would have been punished just the same if he had been using NFP to avoid pregnancy with his late brother’s wife.

This is why Catholic Doctrine doesn’t reference the story of Onan anywhere in the argument against contraception.

 

[meltzerboy]

Onan was not punished for contraception. He was punished for being disobedient to his duties as a brother. He would have been punished just the same if he had been using NFP to avoid pregnancy with his late brother’s wife.

This is why Catholic Doctrine doesn’t reference the story of Onan anywhere in the argument against contraception.

What you state is indeed the Jewish interpretation of Onan’s punishment. Torah Judaism permits certain forms of contraception but not others.

 

[Bookcat]

Onan was not punished for contraception.

This is why Catholic Doctrine doesn’t reference the story of Onan anywhere in the argument against contraception.

Actually the it is referenced …for example in an encyclical of Pope Piux XI

 

[ahs]

Ruthyankees,

While Catholics do not recognize only the Scriptures (since the much of it was not available to anyone until the Church asssembled them), there are actually some Scripture passages that tie into this very thing:

-the whole story of Adam and Eve…man and woman he created them…
-“Be fruitful and multiply”
-“Before I formed you in your mother’s womb, I knew you”
-the death of Onan
-Sodom and Gomorrah

ETA: Also look at Gen 15:2 and Gen 30:1. (Pretty much not going to have any children if you are contracepting…)

That’s just what I could think of off the top of my head…don’t even have my Bible reference guide with me today.

-ahs

 

[Bookcat]

There are lots of sources explaining the Teaching of the Church on contraception…why it has been not accepted as a good thing …in fact judged to be evil from the early days.

(by the way even Protestants…they all rejected contraception…until things started to break down in the 1930’s…)

I invite you to explore them.

 

[ahs]

(by the way even Protestants…they all rejected contraception…until things started to break down in the 1930’s…)

I invite you to explore them.

Yes, no Christian denomination that was accepted as “Christian” tolerated contraception until the Anglican church decided, in the Lambeth Conference of 1930, to allow it for certain extenuating circumstances. Immdiately after that decision, the Catholic Church, the Pope, issused Casti Conubii, which reaffirmed the Church’s stance on the evils of contraception and explained in clear terms why it is evil.

To this day, the Catholic Church has not changed its position on contraception. That view has remained firm and unchanging throughout Church history. Some of the earlier wrintings you might find on the evils of contraception date in the 300’s to 500’s. (There may be some earlier, but I am no expert when it comes to history, so I would not know where to tell you to look. Perhaps try to find a copy of “A Popular History of the Catholic Church”. It’s no longer in print, but it discusses some of the early writings and where they come from.)

 

[Ruthyankees]

hmmmm, then i guess i will ask this, why believe something that is not Biblical?

and the verses that i have been shown are all old testament, which would be Jewish law, not modern.

 

[Credo_in_Deum]

hmmmm, then i guess i will ask this, why believe something that is not Biblical?

and the verses that i have been shown are all old testament, which would be Jewish law, not modern.

Christians do not practice the Jewish Laws of purification because they have been fulfilled by Christ. In Him, with Him and through Him we are purified. This however does not mean everything in the Old Testament does not apply to Christians. If that’s the case let’s just throughout the 10 commandments!

Read this: catholic.com/library/Birth_Control.asp

Then come back if you have questions.

 

[Nate13]

Onan was not punished for contraception. He was punished for being disobedient to his duties as a brother. He would have been punished just the same if he had been using NFP to avoid pregnancy with his late brother’s wife.

This is why Catholic Doctrine doesn’t reference the story of Onan anywhere in the argument against contraception.

Now this last statement is definitely wrong. In the 1930’s the Church referred to using contraceptives as “Onanism”. There is no doubt what the Church teaches about this passage. We can dissect this passage anyway we want personally but the Church does see this passage as showing that the act of “wasting” the seed is wrong period. The

 

[Nate13]

hmmmm, then i guess i will ask this, why believe something that is not Biblical?

and the verses that i have been shown are all old testament, which would be Jewish law, not modern.

Are the ten commandments Jewish law and therefore void? People make the mistake of thinking that the New Testament makes the Old Testament null and void. Rather the New Testament FULFILLS the Old Testament. The story of Onan brings to the forefront the attitude that was common place throughout the Bible towards children and sex. Also Onan was killed by God not just punished. Here is a decent breakdown of the passage done by a Protestant actually.

matt1618.freeyellow.com/birthcontrol.html

Also the word ‘shachath’ is used is the original context which means 'to waste, corrupt, destroy, devastate. In the other places in the bible where the emission of semen is talked about a different word is used. The word ‘shachath’ is also found in many other places in the Bible used to mean “killed” or “destroyed” in passages such as Gen. 6:17, 9:15 and Judges 20:21. The meaning of this passage is clear.

 

[EternalJade]

I think that if an argument isn’t logical, it does no good to post what a Pope says about it over and over. To my understanding contraception has been frowned upon in the past, but even in OT times it wasn’t against God’s law. I think the attitude towards it was a reflection of the times, in the same way that no decent woman would have dared to wear make-up through most of history unless she wanted to be branded as a trollop. For myself, I see God as a logical being Whom would make sure that things that could send you to Hell were spelled out plainly. All of the other grave sins are spelled out very clearly in the Bible or if not, a person can easily see how they would fall under the 10 commandments. Contraception was common knowledge even in Biblical times, so I find it very hard to believe that the Bible wouldn’t say plainly that hindering your fertility during intercourse is a sin if it were the type of sin that could cost you your soul. After all, God wants us to go to Heaven! As far as I know this is the one supposedly faith/morals sin that isn’t mentioned in the Bible at all and is Sacred Tradition alone. So anyhow, from a logical standpoint (and God IS logical) NFP and a barrier method of BC should be on the same moral footing. Now, is the Church wrong or are most other people wrong? I don’t know! For now I am focusing on the fact that every other thing about the Church makes sense and is scripturally sound and logical, and I’m praying that I will eventually come to a better understanding on the subject.

 

[Nate13]

I think that if an argument isn’t logical, it does no good to post what a Pope says about it over and over. To my understanding contraception has been frowned upon in the past, but even in OT times it wasn’t against God’s law. I think the attitude towards it was a reflection of the times, in the same way that no decent woman would have dared to wear make-up through most of history unless she wanted to be branded as a trollop. For myself, I see God as a logical being Whom would make sure that things that could send you to Hell were spelled out plainly. All of the other grave sins are spelled out very clearly in the Bible or if not, a person can easily see how they would fall under the 10 commandments. Contraception was common knowledge even in Biblical times, so I find it very hard to believe that the Bible wouldn’t say plainly that hindering your fertility during intercourse is a sin if it were the type of sin that could cost you your soul. After all, God wants us to go to Heaven! As far as I know this is the one supposedly faith/morals sin that isn’t mentioned in the Bible at all and is Sacred Tradition alone. So anyhow, from a logical standpoint (and God IS logical) NFP and a barrier method of BC should be on the same moral footing. Now, is the Church wrong or are most other people wrong? I don’t know! For now I am focusing on the fact that every other thing about the Church makes sense and is scripturally sound and logical, and I’m praying that I will eventually come to a better understanding on the subject.

I assume you will reject the notion that Onan showed that contraception was wrong however if you deny the means of which birth can be morally regulated you cannot deny the reasons by which the decision to have a child so be based on that are spelled out in Humane Vitae. The mentality that “children are the greatest gift that God can give us” is at the forefront throughout the Bible and cannot be denied. I would hope that even if a couple does not accept the Church’s teachings on contraception, they still give themselves over to prayerfully considering if they have serious reasons completely devoid of selfishness for not allowing God to bring another child into being.