Problems with the Arch-diocese of Cinncinatti

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First off, I really missed you guys during the crash! There was a previous thread that was wiped out about this diocese where someone suggested a couple of good churches to go to in the Cincinatti/Dayton area since every time we go there we end up church-hopping in hopes of finding a place loyal to the magisterium, or at least follows the missal!

Bad turned to worse when this past weekend I went up to visit the in-laws in the arch-diocese of Cinncinatti and went to a “Mass” where people swayed to a tribal drum beat in the sanctuary around the alter and sang the prayers of consecration. The entire congregation actually got up and gathered around the alter! I was very freaked out. My husband and I just kept our places in the pews like the laity we are. Then, the “extraordinary” (there were a couple dozen) minister didn’t know what to do when I positioned to recieve on my tounge and dropped the host! Immediately, I dropped to my knees out of instinct and asked for that piece. I had never even heard of anything like that happening! You will be relieved to know that when it was put into my mouth, the matter was so as to invalidate the host. It was muffin-like and sweet. Plus, the EMHCs took these big muffins and were tearing pieces off with bits flying everywhere upon distribution. My husband and I held back tears and left. Cheerfully, my husband suggested maybe it wasn’t Catholic affliated anymore, since they called themselves a ‘faith-community’. I inquired via e-mail and this is the response I recieved:
Each Mass celebrated at EDIT this parish is a Roman Catholic Mass. “Resident” masses are traditional, while the “Sunday Faith Community” has a contemporary feel.

When I got home, I just wanted to hug my parish priests and thank them for being such good shepherds. I am really not sure what to do about this. Last time we wrote a letter to the bishop up there about something we had considered an extreme abuse and were rebuffed.
I wish I could find ANY mass up there that simply followed the rubics. Any advice?
 
Wendy-Kay said:
Bad turned to worse when this past weekend I went up to visit the in-laws in the arch-diocese of Cinncinatti and went to a “Mass” where people swayed to a tribal drum beat in the sanctuary around the alter and sang the prayers of consecration. The entire congregation actually got up and gathered around the alter! I was very freaked out.
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To sing the prayers of consecration would be attempting to concelebrate the Mass. I do not know what to say as for trying to find a good church that follows the rules other than to pray, and if you discern a need to report abuse, which is probably necessary, you can probably write the archbishop, then if necessary, the Holy Father.
 
yes, in Cincinnati, it’s turning into a free for all. If you approach a pastor, you’re given a run around. It’s all a farse. In a few places they are throwing bones to those who want to try and have a somewhat reverent service but it’s just that … a few bones. And most parrishoners have been so dumbed down, they don’t even see what has happened. Since I started going the TLM, I can’t go to a novus ordo without needing a bottle of Pepto Bismol.
 
I wish I had the names of those churches up there other posters recommended. Well, I remember one was ‘the old’ St. Mary’s in Cinncinatti, but we visit the Dayton area.
When I told my own priest about this, he suggestion a kind note in the collection basket might help the celebrant if the abuse is of a smalller nature, say liturgical dancers or calling the children up to the alter. I say smaller, because infractions like those in my original post naturally warrant a letter to the bishop, then to the big V.
Do you know of a TLM in the area? I didn’t see one in the FSSP web site.
 
I am sorry for your experience. I live in the northern part of that diocese and have had good experiences with the liturgies. Don’t get me wrong, I do have moments of wishing that our Pastor would do or not do something, or do something different, but nothing like your experience.
 
There is a TLM on Sundays at 8:45 in Dayton

daytonlatinmass.org/phpws/

If you want to PM me, we go to a church that we have been pretty happy with so far as “traditional” goes – while I would like to go to the TLM, my small children would probably not be appropriate yet there, so I haven’t been yet…
 
If you are looking for the most conservative Novus Ordo Mass in Dayton, try Emmanuel Catholic Church right in downtown Dayton. Runner-up would be St Joseph’s Church also in downtown Dayton. Both offer no nonsense Masses in full compliance with RS and the GIRM. Never have I witnesses any liturgical abuse at either of these two parishes.
 
This is really rad! I will actually look forward to going back up there since now I have three great choices. Oh! And I just realized we can take the in-laws! Thanks!
…and they all lived happily ever after!😉
 
Wendy-Kay said:
This is really rad! I will actually look forward to going back up there since now I have three great choices. Oh! And I just realized we can take the in-laws! Thanks!
…and they all lived happily ever after!😉
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Pax tecum!

Do write the bishop about this, though, because what you witnessed was extreme liturgical abuse. The people at that church are being led astray.

In Christ,
Rand
 
The problem here ladies and gentlemen is the we as Roman Catholics should NEVER EVER have to “search” for an orthodox liturgy. We should not have rationalize our faith with the phrase, “when the Novus Ordo is done correctly ,… etc”… Even within the indult masses, there are reports of instances of, “Traditional” priests giving communion in the hand, allowing girls to serve… etc. Why is this? They are supposed to follow the 1962 rubrics.

Once upon a time, you could go to Mass anywhere and not know that you were in a different location than your home parrish except for the different decor and church design. The Mass itself was the same from location to location. You can go to 3 or 4 different Novus Ordo services and not be sure if they are all the same religion. I have been to Novus Ordo masses in about a dozen different states and Canada, and found abuses everywhere in varying degrees. In a few of those churches I could have rationalized and said that they weren’t “as bad” and convinced myself that they were therefore, “orthodox” services. But I’m not going to do that any more. Abuses are abuses no matter how small they may be and the small ones eventually lead to bigger ones.
 
In the diocese of Saginaw, various problems still abound, like are being described here.

Our parish just observed its 100th anniversary, and the City Commission (council) gave a certificate noting the observation.

The pastor was crowing about how many “Catholics” there were at City Hall that evening for the proclamation.

Well…this was the same City Commission that two years earlier approved an ordinance allowing fortune telling in the city. And, 3 out of 4 Catholics (that I know of) supported the fortune telling ordinance. One of those is from our parish.

The pastor was clueless. He wrote a big essay in one weekend’s bulletin just publishing the city proclamation. Then, the following week, he was crowing about all the “Catholics” in city government.

I let that sink in and then sent him two letters explaining his bafoonery, and, incidentally, how sad it was how such “Catholics” practice their faith.

You know, either I’m crazy, which I doubt, or else I’m just learning to constantly lower my expectations, lower and lower.

The United Methodist Church has been running some spots on TV. Their spokesperson says, “At the United Methodist Church, we don’t always believe the same thing. But, we believe in God and each other.”

Sounds like Cincinnatti needs some new signs down there, just like we do.
 
You may want to bypass your bishop if he hasn’t responded to past complaints and go directly to the Vatican. A friend of mine did that when she was attending a parish in the archdiocese of Houston-Galveston. She said the Vatican did intervene and got the offending parties removed and she even received a personal phone call. I don’t know if that always happens, but maybe it’s worth a try. The situation at that parish certainly seems bad enough to warrant intervention. What a travesty!
 
I do not know of any law which prohibits fortune telling. That being said, I don’t think it is within the perview of civil law to regulate it, unless it is phone calls, no matter how offensive it is to morals.
 
Veritas41 said:
You may want to bypass your bishop if he hasn’t responded to past complaints and go directly to the Vatican. A friend of mine did that when she was attending a parish in the archdiocese of Houston-Galveston. She said the Vatican did intervene and got the offending parties removed and she even received a personal phone call. I don’t know if that always happens, but maybe it’s worth a try. The situation at that parish certainly seems bad enough to warrant intervention. What a travesty!
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He isn’t my bishop. I am in the Diocese of Knoxville, under the shepherding (I think I just made a word up!) of the most reverend Joseph Kurtz. He runs a beautifully tight ship. Until I married, I had never left my diocese and that is why I was so shocked that this kind of stuff went on. I had always found the Mass perfect, and can’t understand why people think they can improve it with this kind of weird stuff.
I will go through the channels to write to the big dogs. It is a terrible disservice to the people there and I pitied them. I completely agree with TradyDaddy. The laity have an absolute right to an authentic worship experience.
Hey, maybe I’ll get a phone call, too, and it will be Cardinal Azine on the other end, haha!
 
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