Procter & gamble comes out of closet, now pushing homosexual tv agenda

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katherine2:
Cracker Barrell is a good one to patronize. They fire any employee who they find out is gay (unless prohibited by local law).
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Yeah, and they also serve kitchen scraps and garbage to black customers. GREAT company. You should go look up the lawsuit they settled within the last 6 or 8 mos.
 
Setting aside that it is YOU who is saying, “only patronize companies who are hostile to gays”. . .as though there are only two choices, friendliness or hostility, with no neutral ground existing. . .

Sbcoral, what do you mean by “Christian”?

A Christian is, plain and simple, a “follower of Christ”.

How “follower of Christ” of us? Doesn’t read well.

Did you mean, “how CHARITABLE” (ironically, of course) of us?
But charity is not a quality solely of Christians. Many Buddhists are extremely charitable, yet you aren’t saying, “How Buddhist of you.” Why not???

Saying “how of you” as you did can be seen as a patent slur, a sneer, an attempt to make “Christian” into an adjective which could mean ANYTHING depending on what the speaker wanted it to mean.

How Christian. . .i.e., how kind, how holy, how perfect, how loving. . .or, in the sneering, ironical sense, how hypocritical, how holier-than-thou, how arrogant, how hateful.

So, just what DO you mean by “Christian”, and why did you use the word “Christian”, anyway? What about this hypothesis of yours makes it uniquely “Christian” enough that you would use that word, and that one alone?
 
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katherine2:
Cracker Barrell is a good one to patronize. They fire any employee who they find out is gay (unless prohibited by local law).
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Are you for real?
 
Tantum ergo:
Setting aside that it is YOU who is saying, “only patronize companies who are hostile to gays”. . .as though there are only two choices, friendliness or hostility, with no neutral ground existing. . .

Sbcoral, what do you mean by “Christian”?

A Christian is, plain and simple, a “follower of Christ”.

How “follower of Christ” of us? Doesn’t read well.

Did you mean, “how CHARITABLE” (ironically, of course) of us?
But charity is not a quality solely of Christians. Many Buddhists are extremely charitable, yet you aren’t saying, “How Buddhist of you.” Why not???

Saying “how of you” as you did can be seen as a patent slur, a sneer, an attempt to make “Christian” into an adjective which could mean ANYTHING depending on what the speaker wanted it to mean.

How Christian. . .i.e., how kind, how holy, how perfect, how loving. . .or, in the sneering, ironical sense, how hypocritical, how holier-than-thou, how arrogant, how hateful.

So, just what DO you mean by “Christian”, and why did you use the word “Christian”, anyway? What about this hypothesis of yours makes it uniquely “Christian” enough that you would use that word, and that one alone?
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Don’t have a tantrum, Tantum.
“Christian” may be an adjective. I got this from www.dictionary.com:
Chris·tian cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gifshttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifchhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gifn)
adj.

  1. *]Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
    *]Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus’s teachings.
    *]Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
    *]Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
    *]Showing a loving concern for others; humane.

    I was using “Christian” in the 2,3, and 5 sense especially. And I wasn’t being ironic at all.
 
Penny Plain:
Wow!

The company was founded by Proctor and Gamble in 1837. So, if we’re to believe Christian4Life, not only was Gamble a Nazi, he was a Nazi almost 80 years before the Nazi party was even founded. Sort of the proto-Nazi, if you will.

That makes him extra bad, I guess.

Seriously, people, don’t we as Catholics have some duty to make sure stuff like this is true before we pass it off as fact?
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Some people don’t know what a Nazi is. A nazi is someone who thinks they are part of a superior group of people and everyone else needs to die. Yes he was a big racist and an extremely bad person. I would call him a Nazi.
 
Island Oak:
Thank you, thank you!! (Christian4Life you are a very busy boycotter!) We MUST recognize and accept that while our faith may be sufficient to guide many of our actions, it may not be enough for the secular culture around us. If we are ever to be taken seriously in our protests, and influence the larger culture in which we live, we must do so in an intelligent, informed manner. We need to have a facts straight and make a coherent link between facts and the values at issue. Absent this, we risk being dismissed as a bunch of bible thumping, bead-carrying flakes.
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First of all, I don’t carry beads. I’m not Catholic. I think Catholicism is interesting, but I am not Catholic.

Secondly, as I’ve mentioned in other threads, my definition of Nazi does not just include people involved in the Nazi party that we are familiar with. Nazi-like thinking has been around for ages and it still exists now. The man was a huge racist and that is Nazism enough for me.
 
So, sb, which of the aspects of Jesus that I gave as examples would you apply in your “how Christian of you” message?

Aren’t you attempting to set up a false proposition (the idea that if we don’t support companies who act “favorably” to homosexuals, that we are somehow supporting companies who are unfriendly and hostile --your own words–to homosexuals), and then saying that if we support this proposition, we are then acting in an unChristian manner?

That is what I got from your post. If I’m wrong, please correct me. I can’t see any other interpretation from that original post, which I give in its entirety.
So we should only patronize companies that are unfriendly and hostile to gays? How Christian of us!
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Christian4life:
Some people don’t know what a Nazi is. A nazi is someone who thinks they are part of a superior group of people and everyone else needs to die. Yes he was a big racist and an extremely bad person. I would call him a Nazi.
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Not only would you, you did.

It’s interesting that you don’t bother to explain that you’re using the word “Nazi” differently from everyone else until you get called on it. It’s also interesting that you provide no support for your claim that Gamble believed “everyone else needs to die” or “was a big racist.”

If I call you on that, will you next explain that “racist” means somebody who doesn’t like chocolate chip cookies, or some other nonsense?

Words have power, my non-bead-carrying friend. They don’t come a lot more loaded than “Nazi.” That is a word that has a very specific and very evil meaning. You do not cheapen words like that by misusing them. Well, you shouldn’t, anyway.

Remind me again why we should boycott a company based on the “fact” that one of the founders was a bad, bad man when he has been dead for more than 100 years?
 
Penny Plain:
Not only would you, you did.

It’s interesting that you don’t bother to explain that you’re using the word “Nazi” differently from everyone else until you get called on it. It’s also interesting that you provide no support for your claim that Gamble believed “everyone else needs to die” or “was a big racist.”

If I call you on that, will you next explain that “racist” means somebody who doesn’t like chocolate chip cookies, or some other nonsense?

Words have power, my non-bead-carrying friend. They don’t come a lot more loaded than “Nazi.” That is a word that has a very specific and very evil meaning. You do not cheapen words like that by misusing them. Well, you shouldn’t, anyway.

Remind me again why we should boycott a company based on the “fact” that one of the founders was a bad, bad man when he has been dead for more than 100 years?
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Then I should ask you whether you object to the word Nazi or what they actually did. Because I guarantee you there were blacks who ended up in those concentration camps as well as jews. Why should the term Nazi have more meaning than their entire philoshophy of hatred??? And why on earth do you think that Nazi should apply only to those who actually joined the Nazi party under Hitler, and not to those whose line of thinking was exactly the same??? You want to quibble over words, that is your perogitive, when someone thinks like a Nazi, talks like one, and acts like one, I call em as I see em.

I don’t feel that “cheapens” the term. I suppose you don’t think Nazis were eugenicists, then?
Secondly yes I can back up that he was a big racist, I was hoping you would look it up for yourself, but as it seems you are more interested in brushing off my comment than knowing the facts.

Follow these links if you even care to know what I mean.

http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/November-December-2003/review_larson_novdec03.html

michael_mcloughlin.tripod.com/eugenicsandyou.html
 
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Christian4life:
Then I should ask you whether you object to the word Nazi or what they actually did. Because I guarantee you there were blacks who ended up in those concentration camps as well as jews. Why should the term Nazi have more meaning than their entire philoshophy of hatred??? And why on earth do you think that Nazi should apply only to those who actually joined the Nazi party under Hitler, and not to those whose line of thinking was exactly the same??? You want to quibble over words, that is your perogitive, when someone thinks like a Nazi, talks like one, and acts like one, I call em as I see em.

I don’t feel that “cheapens” the term. I suppose you don’t think Nazis were eugenicists, then?
Secondly yes I can back up that he was a big racist, I was hoping you would look it up for yourself, but as it seems you are more interested in brushing off my comment than knowing the facts.

Follow these links if you even care to know what I mean.

http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/November-December-2003/review_larson_novdec03.html

michael_mcloughlin.tripod.com/eugenicsandyou.html
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Okaaayyy.

I think what the Nazis did was horribly, hideously wrong. However, I think the term “Nazi” should be used in its literal sense – people who joined the Nazi party. Gamble may have shared some of the same views, but he was not a Nazi because the Nazi party didn’t exist when he was alive.

Whether he was or was not a eugenicist really doesn’t matter to me. He’s been dead…how long? It will not benefit him in the slightest if I buy a tube of Crest tomorrow. Why should I boycott a company over something one of its founders did 100 years ago?
 
I don’t know whether they still support racism or not. I looked it up and they are doing a few things to stop racism, and I applaud them for that, but my husband said they are also funding companies who do promote racism, and he’s looked it up too. They may or may not be aware that the companies they are donating to are secretely promoting racist ideas. So I don’t know.

I just thought I’d throw that out there for you people to consider though. Gamble was in cahoots with Margaret Sanger, and I’m not talking about the “founder” of Procter and Gamble, this man WAS heir to their fortune, a direct descendant, during Hitler’s riegn in the 1930’s and he was a eugenicist.
 
Now, I don’t know if this is still in effect, but it should be. A few years back, I think it was 98 but I could be off by a year or two, PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) boycotted Procter and Gamble for testing on animals.

They did all sorts of horrible things like putting acid in rabbit’s eyes and shaving dogs bald so they could test things on their skin directly.

As far as I know, and I don’t think I’m wrong, they are STILL testing on animals. I don’t know about you people, but I would much rather buy from a company with the cute little bunny symbol on thier shampoo, than one who tortures bunnies.
 
I refuse to boycott them. I would rather boycott companies and banks that had connections with the slave trade. How do you “promote” homosexuality anyways? If I see or hear things that are homosexual, it doesn’t affect my sexuality; I’ve always been heterosexual and I can’t change that…its not like switching from Tide to Cheer, people, be real.
 
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