Progressive Catholic?

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I vote that we ban the notion of “labeled” Catholics. It only seeks to divide the Church, and to turn us away from charity; as such labeling Catholics is Satan’s tool to divide us. Today the monk giving the homily at our abbey emphasized the necessity of charity towards those who don’t think the way we do.

We should focus our concern on the erroneous ideas themselves, not on the persons holding them. We can certainly label an idea heterodox, but should refrain from labeling the person holding them.
I agree. That is a big part of the problem, but it appears to mostly come from those who cannot view the world any other way. You’re right. No more labels for Catholics (liberal, conservative, progressive, etc.). It is Satan’s tool to cause division where there should be none.

Peace,
Ed
 
A “Catholic Progressive” voted for Bernie Sanders in the primaries and probably for Hillary Clinton in the election.

A “Progressive Catholic” is apt to have a nuanced understanding of Scripture, Tradition, Papal pronouncements and the Magisterium, giving primacy to issues of social justice, peace, compassion, ecumenism, simplicity, personal and social transformation, transparency and accountability of the church hierarchy to the laity, etcetera.

With respect to Scripture and Tradition , there is likely to be considerable predisposition to demystify, demythologize, and debunk. There will be an emphasis upon a sort of “originalism”, on saying and doing and believing things according to the (assumed) ‘original simplicity’ of the First Century.

There may be greater emphasis on God as Father and human beings as His adult offspring, as adult siblings one to another; and less emphasis upon God as sovereign and people as subjects.

This emphasis on the fundamental equality of relationship between human beings means that Progressive Catholics will be less deferential to church leaders and more selective in when or how they may render submission to such. Again, this is rooted in a pursuit of ‘originalism’, the assumption being made that the modern monarchical trappings of the modern episcopacy are accretions and pretensions adopted long after the apostolic age.

There will almost always be emphasis on those aspects of Catholicity which are common to other religious traditions, to the universality of Christ’s teachings; and a concomitant playing down of Roman Catholic distinctives. God’s immanence will likely be emphasized over His transcendence: Christ’s earthly humanity will be given primacy over His Heavenly majesty.

Hope this helps.
 
Edit to the above: when the word “progressive” precedes a noun, it is a modifier, without reference to politics. Most Progressive Catholics are also Catholic Progressives: meaning, they advocate and vote in a more politically librral or progressive way.

However, an individual Progressive Catholic may incline more towards moderate or rather conservative political and social values. Their theology may have changes in religious understanding, such as “demythologizing” Scripture, renewal of liturgical practices, or reinterpreting the relationship between the laity and the clergy: yet their politics may be more conventional or mainstream.

A progressive Catholic usually believes that progress is part of God’s plan, and that Christianity is the engine of spiritual and moral progress. There is a tendency to want to be on the “cutting edge” of social progress and this inclines progressive Catholics to ally themselves with highly innovative thinkers and movements. Sometimes this is faddish affrctation, sometimes real changes are underway.

So, there is considerable optimism on the part of Progressive Roman Catholics that things will get better, NOT because of an apocalyptic intervention of Divine power but by the gradual leavaning and seasoning of the world by the action of Christians.
 
I don’t have enough information about the situation in the original post to make a judgment (there’s nothing per se wrong with a Catholic school educating a child from such a household), but in general, the Bible warns about being “progressive.”

**2:John 9 **Anyone who is so progressive as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God; whoever remains in the teaching has the Father and the Son.

usccb.org/bible/2john/1
 
I have a long story but I will shorten it for now. I received a request from a non-Catholic to partake in a serious discussion about gay-marriage. In her message (via fb), she refers to a progressive Catholic school (calling it progressive because it has accepted a lesbian couple
s daughter into the school). What is a progressive catholic? Is this the new term for Catholics who do not follow the Magisterium?
YES!:eek:

GBY
 
When there’s no room on Hell, dead threads will walk the earth.
 
I don’t have enough information about the situation in the original post to make a judgment (there’s nothing per se wrong with a Catholic school educating a child from such a household), but in general, the Bible warns about being “progressive.”

**2:John 9 **Anyone who is so progressive as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God; whoever remains in the teaching has the Father and the Son.

usccb.org/bible/2john/1
That is a most peculiar translation of that verse.

Most constructions look more like this:

2 John 9, New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

9 Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

One would expect that progressive Catholics would see the accretions of the past many centuries as going beyond the teachings of Christ, while perceiving themselves as abiding in the original, foundational teaching.

Another way of contrasting the approaches, (which I am cribbing from elsewhere), contrasts outwardly-directed rigorists with inwardly-directed empathists: the one takes their lead from exterior authorities and seek to conform with some degree of scrupulosity. The other seeks more to be guided by the Holy Spirit and by Christlike compassion and concern.

Each approach has advantages and pitfalls. External authorities can be mistaken or corrupt, and scrupulosity can become Pharisaical; while an inward guide can be dominated by one’s own weaknesses, and empathy or compassion can be misplaced.

A third illustration is that of the adventurer who is equipped with a detailed map with which to explore a rugged and challenging trail with rangers frequently available; as opposed to someone who has a very simple map and a compass, with which to navigate an often overgrown and uncertain path, where the guides may be few and as uncertain as the pilgrim themselves.

In each example, the Progressive Catholic would tend to see themselves in the second category. The point being made is that Progressive Catholics are striving to be faithful in their own right, even if their sense of faithfulness differs from that of theologically or ecclesially Conservative Catholics.

One other way of viewing this is is via the prism of James Fowler’s Stages of Faith Development and Kohlberg’s Stages of Moral Development. Each of these schemae posit that humans pass through certain phases, partly shaped by the human maturation process and partly determined by inherent disposition.

Most people come to abide somewhere in the middle of these spectrums: Stage Three in Fowler’s Stages of Faith. About half of us pass through a phase of “crises”, of doubt or spiritual emptiness, or rebellion; but we typically revert back to Stage Three.

Only about a third move upward on the scale to Stage Five, and while these stages measure development and not “faithfulness”, those who have progressed to those upper stages of seem incongruent to those who spend their lives in the more conventional patterns of Stage Three. Their devotion, commitment, and orthodoxy may indeed appear questionable to some of those in the majority.

owlcation.com/humanities/James-Fowler-and-Spiritual-Development-Stages-of-Faith

boundless.com/psychology/textbooks/boundless-psychology-textbook/human-development-14/theories-of-human-development-70/kohlberg-s-stages-of-moral-development-268-12803/

Hope this sheds some further light on the subject.
 
Zombie thread!

And anway I don’t there’s such thing as “progressive Catholic” or “this or that Catholic”. If you’re Catholic, you’re Catholic.
 
The desire to find a solid place to stand while this movement advances is one thing that is moving me towards returning to the Catholic Church. We both have “Progressives” in our midst but you have something to stand against it that we Protestants do not: The Magisterium.
You will be most welcome, we need you.
 
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