Project Ijtihad - Reform-minded Muslims and non-Muslim allies

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I created this thread when i saw post #335 in the “Why are Muslims so violent?” thread.
Ijtihad (pronounced “ij-tee-had”) is Islam’s own tradition of debate and dissent. Founded by Irshad, Project Ijtihad is a global campaign to revive the spirit of this tradition. Want to support the reform-minded Muslims involved? Click here to learn more.
I wonder, what do Muslims and non-Muslims think of this project created by its founder, Irshad Manji?
 
Ijtihad is fine. What Irshad Manji calls for is not.

I feel like I’m gonna get in trouble just for saying this, but for those of you who think that Irshad Manji actually represents a valid viewpoint in Islam, you need not look further than Chapter 2 of the Qur’an for your rebuttal.

And of the people are some who say, “We believe in Allah and the Last Day,” but they are not believers. They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not. In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie. And when it is said to them, “Do not cause corruption on the earth,” they say, “We are but reformers.” Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not. And when it is said to them, “Believe as the people have believed,” they say, “Should we believe as the foolish have believed?Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not. And when they meet those who believe, they say, “We believe”; but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say, “Indeed, we are with you; we were only mockers.” [But] Allah mocks them and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly. Those are the ones who have purchased error [in exchange] for guidance, so their transaction has brought no profit, nor were they guided.

Their example is that of one who kindled a fire, but when it illuminated what was around him, Allah took away their light and left them in darkness [so] they could not see. Or [it is] like a rainstorm from the sky within which is darkness, thunder and lightning. They put their fingers in their ears against the thunderclaps in dread of death. But Allah is encompassing of the disbelievers. The lightning almost snatches away their sight. Every time it lights [the way] for them, they walk therein; but when darkness comes over them, they stand [still]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken away their hearing and their sight. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.
 
The Qur’an calls Muslims to think–to think deeply, or critically as you might put it. The Arabic is fikr.

For instance, 59:21 If We had sent down this Qur’an upon a mountain, you would have seen it humbled and coming apart from fear of Allah . And these examples We present to the people that perhaps** they will give thought**.

It’s all through the Qur’an, that men are supposed to take the Qur’an and ponder it, think deeply about it. Ijtihad does not mean debate and dissent, nor does it mean reform, nor is it dead as some has claimed.

Anyone who thinks they need to add to the religion is essentially saying that Allah is lying when He says that He completed the religion. I wouldn’t want to be in his (or her) shoes on the Day of Judgment.
 
What constitutes a Muslim and what does not? The Qu’ran may be the deciding factor on this issue, but would the Qu’ran know her true intentions? I do not think Irshad Manji is trying to deviate orthodox Islam and create her own religion. I think, she as other Muslims worldwide are tired of being labeled as haters, killers, terrorists and rapists. The embarrassment fellow Muslims cause them in the name of Allah is too much to bear.

I think Irshad is trying to reform Islam the way she thinks Islam should have been - not what it has become now. She is not in this alone. There are other Muslim reformers out there who are working tirelessly to educate and inform Muslims. The problem with Islam is perhaps the lack of central authority. Since Muslims are free to interpret the Qu’ran for themselves (despite the insistence of a mullah’s intervention), they can make things up as they go. What Irshad is doing is to eliminate tribalism and elitism - the root of Islamic violence and hatred. Many outside this project despise her, but it reveals how deeply tied they are to ancient pre-Islamic practices of blood fueds. Sometimes old habits are hard to let go - but it must go if Islam wants to survive for the next thousand years.
 
I do not know this project, but I know Ms. Manji, and I am not a fan. I am not at all tied to pre-Islamic, post-Islamic, or just plain Islamic anything, but I think the reform others see her as a spokesperson for deserves someone better than her, with better ideas and ways of communicating those ideas. It is not that I am against culturally-indoctrinated violence; certainly I am. But remember in another thread when someone posted a video of a debate between Manji and another, more conservative Muslim woman (at the Jewish American Institute or something like that)? I can’t remember the thread it is in, but Ms. Manji talked about the fact that Muslim women cannot marry outside of the faith. She said that she didn’t think it was right that this is so, and she went to a liberal, progressive-minded Imam and he drafted a document using Islamic sources including the Qur’an that gave Ms. Manji a supposedly credible basis for arguing against this traditional position from an Islamic perspective.

OK, fine. I honestly don’t care about this issue. I know several Muslim women, none terribly well, and while they all seem very nice, I don’t want to marry any of them. 🙂 But still, even I can see the problem with this approach: There is something in your religion that you dislike. You dislike this one thing (or maybe a few things), but you love everything else, and you love the culture that is found in your religion. You don’t want to leave it, but you still disagree with this one part of it. So you find someone out there, some priest or pastor of some persuasion, who you can go to who will tell you what you want to hear. Or if you can’t find such a person, maybe you realize that you care enough about this one issue of disagreement that you will leave your religion over it. It is has happened with Catholics that I know over certain issues like artificial birth control (and most of them still identify with the culture, since they are still technically “Catholic” by baptism and/or heritage). We would call such people “cafeteria Catholics”, because we know that our faith can’t work that way.

Similarly, I would say to Ms. Manji something similar: You can get any Imam you want to write you anything you’d like. Maybe people will follow that interpretation of the Qur’an. But if it is a matter of “Imam shopping” (and I have to believe that this happens, given the lack of central authority in Islam to bar people from just making things up), then what’s the point? This was just one example, but that sort of attitude is not acceptable from a Catholic, so it seems that I shouldn’t accept it from a Muslim, either, even if the conclusions that the hip, reform-minded Manji and other media personalities come up with are ones that I like better than the alternative.

It may be in poor taste, but I feel like it should also be noted that she is a homosexual. Given that the sinfulness of homosexuality is something on which Islam and Catholicism definitely agree, I wonder how Catholics who see her as a good example of an Islamic reformer would feel if she were instead a Catholic. Would/do we see Catholics, or even non-Catholics, who push for the acceptance of homosexuality by the Church as welcome reformers or not? What about those who push for the ordination of women into the priesthood?

One thing that any progressive person must do if they see wrong actions coming from their co-religionists is to try to guide them back to the traditional views of the issues on which the errant now deviate. How will Irshad Manji do this when she has no respect for those views herself? And then of course there is the question of whether or not the traditional view is itself the problem, but I’ll leave that to someone else to argue, since it is outside the scope of this thread.
 
dzheremi, you made some pretty good comments and some food for thought. Although i’m not entirely ruling out Sister Amy’s viewpoints either. I do support for a reform in Islam (especially regarding a central authority) and the elimination of tribalism and elitism. I just hope this can be achieved through a unilateral decision via a Grand Mufti and then perhaps others may follow suit.

PS: I did not realize Irshad Manji was homosexual. Thank you for informing us.
 
Am sorry i haven’t read the previous replies yet, but Ijtihad cannot result in changing or adding what is not in Islam, like women marrying non-Muslim men, and i do not think all Muslims will take her seriously with her tight jeans and shirt and bare head. Turkey asked for re-interpretation of hadith if not mistaken so there are Muslims who aren’t satisfied with current islamic teachings but i think Ijtihad has its limits.
 
Thank you Dzheremi for the info…i knew nothing about her. So she is a homosexual Muslim woman wearing what is not considered modest in Islam, trying to reform Islam…i think millions will not listen to her, and maybe a fatwa will be issued against her with capital punishment for throwing “mischief in the land”…am not judging her, but am answering from an Islamic perspective based on previous reactions to different people, though i think the idea or reforming Islam is needed, but am not sure the results will be very different from what Islam is today and those who do not like what Islam teaches, they better leave, silently, as others are doing without endangering their lives.
 
Yes, I think the headline of this article dispenses with all formality and tact. She is definitely…uh…not traditional. Maybe other Ugandan-born Egyptian-Gujarati lesbian feminist Canadian Muslim reformers will take her more seriously, though. I mean…I’m only half of those things, so I’m in no position to talk. 😛

In all seriousness, though, I can’t see her making much of an impact on anyone who is not at least already amiable to Western culture and ideals, but the problem is that those aren’t necessarily the people who would be carrying out any reforms. From what I have seen (anecdotal evidence, admittedly), the response to turmoil in the Muslim community in many places is to return to more traditional modes of practicing the faith, not to move outwards, away from them. I think Sister Amy has noted this before, too, where the youth are often more devout than their parents were or are. So I’m not sure Irshad Manji’s ideas really speak to many, regardless of how personally unsuited she is to deliver that message as well.
 
I do not know this project, but I know Ms. Manji, and I am not a fan. I am not at all tied to pre-Islamic, post-Islamic, or just plain Islamic anything, but I think the reform others see her as a spokesperson for deserves someone better than her, with better ideas and ways of communicating those ideas. It is not that I am against culturally-indoctrinated violence; certainly I am. But remember in another thread when someone posted a video of a debate between Manji and another, more conservative Muslim woman (at the Jewish American Institute or something like that)? I can’t remember the thread it is in, but Ms. Manji talked about the fact that Muslim women cannot marry outside of the faith. She said that she didn’t think it was right that this is so, and she went to a liberal, progressive-minded Imam and he drafted a document using Islamic sources including the Qur’an that gave Ms. Manji a supposedly credible basis for arguing against this traditional position from an Islamic perspective.

OK, fine. I honestly don’t care about this issue. I know several Muslim women, none terribly well, and while they all seem very nice, I don’t want to marry any of them. 🙂 But still, even I can see the problem with this approach: There is something in your religion that you dislike. You dislike this one thing (or maybe a few things), but you love everything else, and you love the culture that is found in your religion. You don’t want to leave it, but you still disagree with this one part of it. So you find someone out there, some priest or pastor of some persuasion, who you can go to who will tell you what you want to hear. Or if you can’t find such a person, maybe you realize that you care enough about this one issue of disagreement that you will leave your religion over it. It is has happened with Catholics that I know over certain issues like artificial birth control (and most of them still identify with the culture, since they are still technically “Catholic” by baptism and/or heritage). We would call such people “cafeteria Catholics”, because we know that our faith can’t work that way.

Similarly, I would say to Ms. Manji something similar: You can get any Imam you want to write you anything you’d like. Maybe people will follow that interpretation of the Qur’an. But if it is a matter of “Imam shopping” (and I have to believe that this happens, given the lack of central authority in Islam to bar people from just making things up), then what’s the point? This was just one example, but that sort of attitude is not acceptable from a Catholic, so it seems that I shouldn’t accept it from a Muslim, either, even if the conclusions that the hip, reform-minded Manji and other media personalities come up with are ones that I like better than the alternative.

It may be in poor taste, but I feel like it should also be noted that she is a homosexual. Given that the sinfulness of homosexuality is something on which Islam and Catholicism definitely agree, I wonder how Catholics who see her as a good example of an Islamic reformer would feel if she were instead a Catholic. Would/do we see Catholics, or even non-Catholics, who push for the acceptance of homosexuality by the Church as welcome reformers or not? What about those who push for the ordination of women into the priesthood?

One thing that any progressive person must do if they see wrong actions coming from their co-religionists is to try to guide them back to the traditional views of the issues on which the errant now deviate. How will Irshad Manji do this when she has no respect for those views herself? And then of course there is the question of whether or not the traditional view is itself the problem, but I’ll leave that to someone else to argue, since it is outside the scope of this thread.
I see what you are saying and I agree. Then maybe you guys can
refine this project to make it a little better? Coz I like the fact that she wants reason instead of violence in her approach.
 
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