Proliferation of Mega-Churches

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The proliferation of the non-denominational mega-churches in this country actually scares me (In an interesting perspective, the competition among these churches smells of evolution, that only the strong will survive). We’re talking about 10,000-20,000 seat auditoriums where some dynamic speaker assigns responsibility to speak the truth on behalf of Christ. Is this feeling (that the appearance of mega-churches is scary) shared by other Catholics? Or am I just seeing “the glass is half-full”?
 
It seems they fit right in with the franchising of the American landscape. Every place looks the same, we have the Appleby’s then Target then Old Navy then Wal-Mart then Cracker Barrel then Ruby Tuesday’s – across the street is the strip mall with a Dollar Store, Radio Shack, Nail Salon and Subway. The friendly neighborhood Mega-Church fits right in.

When you move from city to city, no need to feel displaced, there is the same Blockbuster and Pizza Hut, and the same Mega-Church up the road.

Bleh.
 
It’s one of the reasons (among many) that my husband and I left Protestantism. I call it the McChurching of America. Where is the Sacredness? Where is the Worship? The Sense of Awe?

It seems like many of the Protestant denominations are taking a “if you can’t beat em, join em” attitude. I got a letter from our Lutheran Church that said they had hired a consultant who told them to take out the creeds, the Lord’s Prayer, make the sermon peppier and have at least 20 minutes of praise music if they wanted to get new faces in the door. :confused:

I get more out talking about God with my husband at Starbucks. :rolleyes:
 
co-worker related story of her Jr Hi son who visited one of these superchurches w/school friend for “Harvest Fair” (not Halloween or All Saints Party like we had at CCD, of course). It was great, they had video games, paint ball, praise and worship music, Christian rock bands, games, food, free hot dogs etc. He came home raving about how much fun it was, not boring like Mass or CCD. His dad asked him one question: When did they worship God? He got the son to think and reflect, and to admit it was all entertainment, no worship.

Of course then dad was able to lead him further to admit a free hot dog is no substitute for the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. Anyhow this kid now wants to be an altar server, something he had resisted up until now.
 
I wonder how these mega-churches foster a sense of community and how on earth they get to know their pastor. I love going to Mass with people I know and have grown close to in the last few years. I really get the sense of the Body of Christ. I like the fact that I’m not just a face in the crowd to my priest–he knows my husband and I quite well. The whole mega-church thing seems wierd to me. But, all of the devout protestants I know are uncomfortable with the idea too, for much the same reason–no community.
 
From what I’ve heard, megachurches foster community by having many small groups, and for the regular members these small groups may be more important than the big auditorium service (which is often explicitly billed for “seekers”).

Myself, I like small churches–indeed, one of the things that puts me off Catholicism is the vast size of most Catholic parishes I know and the very meager sense of community in such churches.

Edwin
 
So would you join the Church if the parish close by had small faith groups available?
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God Bless
Scylla
 
Hurry, Hurry!!! Step right up, get your salvation here!!!

It’s sad, but in our MTV and soundbite society, this is what’s attracting some people. They don’t even know about sacredness and awe. Never heard of it. They are having too much fun down at the Super McChurch hearing about how personal wealth and prosperity is the way to go. And, you get “once saved, always saved”. Oh yeah, we’ll throw in a little Jesus too. As long as He’s on OUR terms. I can only feel sad for what these people are missing and most of them will never even know. Pray for them.
 
Just speculating here.

I can’t help but think of the process of Innoculation; that the sense of membership and committment is satisfied yet not over committed like taking vows. It fits right in with the Anything Lite culture. It’s a natural progression or regression of things. But I say this with a tounge in the cheek. For all we know these are the same people that will flood the Catholic Church in the future and would be the charism of the New Evangelization of the third millenium.

All the same, our vocation to assist in apologetics and live authentic lives in Christ remains the same, in season or out of season.

in XT.
 
These mega-churches tend to be quite theatrical in their worship. It is like a rock concert for God. I went to a service one time that had hard rock worship music and some interpretive dancers whose routine looked like it was choreographed by the “Happy Hands Club” (from Napoleon Dynomite, for those who don’t know).

B16 warns against “religious entertainment” in his book “The Spirit of the Liturgy” because religious entertainment can never compete with secular entertainment.
 
The Mega-churches get their power from being, big, rock music, and non-judgmental. Hey the one I came from before converting, has a coffee bar. Take a cup with you into the service (cup holders in the seats TRUE!). Once you are there and comfy, they get you to join small groups that meet in houses. I must admit, I do miss that personal touch. Since becoming Catholic 3 years ago, I have not found that small group, personal touch (too bad it can be a powerful tool to spiritual growth).
 
There was a survey done of them a few years back. You can get all sorts of statstics on them from the Faith Communities Today project at Hartford Seminary:

fact.hartsem.edu

Basically they’ve got it down to a formula:

(1) Electronic instruments including drums
(2) An upbeat sermon
(3) Small groups mid-week

Unfortunately, calling them “entertaino-churches” won’t make them go away. Anyone that follows the formula is going to get more and more popular.
 
When I see, read, and hear articles about these mega-churches, all I can say is that we Catholics have a lot of work to do as far as evangelizing is concerned, so let’s get busy so that these people can move make the progression from these mega-churches to the ORIGINAL MEGA-CHURCH – the ORIGINAL META -CHURCH --the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church :angel1:
 
I have friends that attend a mega church because “it has everything” all under one roof. Kind of a religious shopping mall. Even they refer to it as Jesus Christ supersize. what a world we live in where everything is marketing spin
 
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jim1130:
The proliferation of the non-denominational mega-churches in this country actually scares me (In an interesting perspective, the competition among these churches smells of evolution, that only the strong will survive). We’re talking about 10,000-20,000 seat auditoriums where some dynamic speaker assigns responsibility to speak the truth on behalf of Christ. Is this feeling (that the appearance of mega-churches is scary) shared by other Catholics? Or am I just seeing “the glass is half-full”?
As most of my life has been spent in the southern states, I first began to notice the building of non-denominational ‘mega-churches’ (the first to seat 10,000+) in the early 1970’s, usually located in ‘white flight’ suburbs where, initially, land was cheap and whole communities were being developed and homes snapped up as quickly as they could be completed. It seemed to be then - and, as I somewhat kept up with the movement even now - that these churches arose out of a sort of ‘cult’ built around one dynamic, charismatic, highly personable preacher, definitely of the evangelical mold and sometimes very close to fundamentalism, who was not only a dynamic speaker with the whole of the New Testament (and portions of the Old) committed to memory - and also one who was highly organized, and if not a financial wizard then having an almost uncanny ability to hire those who were and to woo away from other churches assistant pastors and staff who shared his goals.

However. what I have observed is that the ‘cult’ surrounding the founding pastor could last for decades but, except in rare circumstances, it would eventually flounder or the pastor who was not a young man when he started his church and for reasons of age alone would need to retire and his replacement - no matter how well groomed for the job - would lack some of the qualities that led the membership to grow so large as to be able to establish the mega-churches in the first place, or there would arise doctrinal differences among certain members so that they split off and erected smaller buildings not leaving behind enough members to support the mortgage and upkeep of the mega-church. Within 2-3 decades the mega-church would either be sold outright and torn down, find itself still able to function although with a 12,000 seat church drawing only 2,000 or so members each Sunday, be sold to another non-denominational organization with it’s own dynamic, charismatic, highly personable preacher, sold to an established denomination who would renovate the building so that it served a smaller congregation without having embarrassingly empty pews, or simply forfeited to creditors who would likely exercise one of the already mentioned scenarios or, better yet, find a buyer who would buy what was standing, tear it down, and build a mega-new-car-dealership.

I suppose that some may have lasted, just none of which I am personally aware. The large, but not overly large, churches of established protestant denominations that were ‘downtown’ in the southern states did not fare well under white flight to the suburbs, I have to add. Some did last, with members willing to make a 60-80 roundtrip drive to church every Sunday. Diocesan cathedrals did a bit better - as there were already Catholic communities that had been built nearby cathedrals, these family homes stayed in the family - but there was still a big, big difference in cathedral attendance in 1967 compared to 2003: the pews packed in '67, even though the Catholic population had exploded due to the great influx of carpetbagger northerners beginning in the late 1970’s. That explosion led to the very fast building of new suburban parishes (often which still feature some of the most hideous ‘spirit of Vatican II’ architecture that can be imagined (and some that is better just left alone in the imagination as it could result in nightmares).

So, no, I really don’t share your fright. The non-denominational mega-churches seem to come and go within a matter of decades. And for Catholic churches there is first the matter of not losing membership (which I think, as the late Holy Father seemed to think) is a matter of on-going participatory catechesis, as well as the realization that as (in many locales - not some place such as Manhattan) urban sprawl continues even fairly ‘new’ parishes may need to be abandoned in order for a ‘newer’ parish to be established to meet the needs of both the ‘older’ a newer community.

Not to worry - the Church has been through worse times than these. American Catholics will remain faithful Catholics as long as they do not give in to what is still (and maybe larger) false god of “Americanism” (concerning a recent look at Americanism click here ) and the mega-churches, if they pose a threat at all is, at best, a temporary one I believe.
 
I think the reason non-denom mega-churches are so strong these days is because they promote “feel good religion” or “brownie point religion”. They want to sing constant songs, sway in time. Cheer during the sermon. It all seemed to me like a spectical. The cookie of religion. Tastes great, but not very filling and certainly not good for you. They never talk about various serious matters. Especially the “fire and brimstone” side of it all which is very, very important to remember and keep in mind.
 
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aurora77:
I wonder how these mega-churches foster a sense of community and how on earth they get to know their pastor. I love going to Mass with people I know and have grown close to in the last few years. I really get the sense of the Body of Christ. I like the fact that I’m not just a face in the crowd to my priest–he knows my husband and I quite well. The whole mega-church thing seems wierd to me. But, all of the devout protestants I know are uncomfortable with the idea too, for much the same reason–no community.
Many parishes here in the Philippines, especially those in Metro Manila, are really large. For instance, the Church over at Baclaran in Paranaque (Our Lady of Perpetual Help Shrine) have 10-12 Masses on Sunday, and it’s most are attended by over 3000 or so people. It gets so crowded that there are even people outside. I doubt the parish priest knows everyone who goes to Mass there, or even gets to meet all his parishioners in his stay. There’s nothing wrong with having such large parishes; what’s wrong with these mega-churches on this thread have been described here: it’s become less about God and more about profit and competition.
 
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aurora77:
I wonder how these mega-churches foster a sense of community and how on earth they get to know their pastor. I
… But, all of the devout protestants I know are uncomfortable with the idea too, for much the same reason–no community.
I asked the same question on a recent similar thread, and the answer was small groups, a huge part of their “program” is fostering small groups among various “constituencies”, youth, young marrieds, seniors etc. I guess meaning prayer groups or special purpose groups that meet outside the regular worship times for prayer, community building, service etc.

since most of the Catholic parish renewal programs out there emphasize some kind of small groups as key to starting and keeping the renewal going - Renew, Christ Renews His Parish, Disciples in Mission, Cursillo etc. I guess it is a valid tactic.
 
The mega church is simply a logical next development for Protestantism. The Protestant has rejected the authority given by Jesus Christ through His Church and has replaced it with a “choose your own” leader concept.

Now the leader has to show his greatness by having a “bigger-than-everybody-else’s” church. Behind all the holy rhetoric, I’m afraid these people are simply little egomaniacs. They litterally love to hear the sound of their own voices and the bigger the crowd listening to them the better.

As an added bonus to all this egomania is the healthy income these showmen gain from their packed entertainment centers. After all not too many of them live in simple little houses or drive old cars!
 
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rjs1:
The mega church is simply a logical next development for Protestantism. The Protestant has rejected the authority given by Jesus Christ through His Church and has replaced it with a “choose your own” leader concept.

Now the leader has to show his greatness by having a “bigger-than-everybody-else’s” church. Behind all the holy rhetoric, I’m afraid these people are simply little egomaniacs. They litterally love to hear the sound of their own voices and the bigger the crowd listening to them the better.

As an added bonus to all this egomania is the healthy income these showmen gain from their packed entertainment centers. After all not too many of them live in simple little houses or drive old cars!
One morning,I lowered my standards and watched a mega-church production on TV. Besides the nauseating faux-theological rhetoric spewing from the “pastor,” this particular “pastor” made a point of “something” by having a Ferrari driven onto the stage. After that, I changed the channel. I feel sorry for all the people, but they really are brainwashed. My fear may be too extreme, but the charismatic nature of the “pastors” is too unsettling for me, and I keep thinking of Hitler and Nazi Germany. Pretty soon, I expect the congregations, inspired by their “pastor,” will begin burning Bibles that contain the deuterocanonical scriptures. Either that or the congregations will exert the free will-gift provided by God and walk out the doors. On a local point, a “pastor” of a large non-denominational church actually has gold-plated bathroom faucet fixtures (learned of this in the news after a disgruntled member of the congregation broke into the pastor’s home).
 
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