Prom cancelled due to lesbian date - Catholic perspective

[PatriceA]

I guess it depends on where the prom is held and the involvement of the school. The kids and parents, if they wanted, could independantly have a prom off the school grounds but they’d have to do all the organizing themselves. If the school was involve one teesy, weensy little bit, like helping to pass around fliers, they’d be “involved”.

I also guess that prom is mostly tradition. Used to be that it was a sort of coming out (no pun intended) out of high school and into adulthood and the real world, perhaps elements of that still remain.

If the school has anything to do with it, yep, the school board and administration should be involved to protect the taxpayer’s interests. If a prom is done completely independantly from school, they have nothing to say about it. I’d guess that if it was done independantly they could not call it the (Insert school name here) prom, again, because of the potential legal association with the school.

If I remember correctly, there was a news report that a group held a prom independently for the girl and her “date” and the “couple” ended up leaving the dance early.

IMO, the whole idea of the prom has gotten out of hand. Students, parents, everyone involved have this sense of “entitlement” and its no longer just a school dance. What better situation for it to become a battlefield for groups such as homosexuals to push their agenda.

 

[Newbie2]

If I remember correctly, there was a news report that a group held a prom independently for the girl and her “date” and the “couple” ended up leaving the dance early.

IMO, the whole idea of the prom has gotten out of hand. Students, parents, everyone involved have this sense of “entitlement” and its no longer just a school dance. What better situation for it to become a battlefield for groups such as homosexuals to push their agenda.

I agree, not to mention the money spent on dresses, limos, flowers, etc. I’ve seen prom dresses around here cost as much as a wedding dress.

 

[pathia]

If I remember correctly, there was a news report that a group held a prom independently for the girl and her “date” and the “couple” ended up leaving the dance early.

IMO, the whole idea of the prom has gotten out of hand. Students, parents, everyone involved have this sense of “entitlement” and its no longer just a school dance. What better situation for it to become a battlefield for groups such as homosexuals to push their agenda.

That was because there were about 6 people at that prom and there was nothing to do. The vast majority of the school had a private prom on a country club elsewhere in the area. They also sent some of the LD students to the secondary prom.

 

[shelby2014]

I think the issue is less about how these two girls act on their own as to pushing it onto the school and public in general. It’s one thing to be homosexual, but to force others to acknowledge the relationship, cross dress in public, and PDA in public, is something else. And when that is a school, I think kids have a right to be protected. I think that the parents of the area have a right to determine what they think is acceptable behavior at their school.

A prom is not a right, either. The girl was using it to make a statement, and so they took that statement opportunity away from her. If they had attended the prom as platonic friends, even if everyone at the school knew they were dating, it would have been different.

Also, teenagers are too young to be thinking about having sex, let alone what their sexual orientation is. And they are in their rebellious years, so going against the establishment (heterosexual) is the thing to do. It is hard to take “gay” teenagers seriously.

 

[Anna2552]

Also, teenagers are too young to be thinking about having sex, let alone what their sexual orientation is. And they are in their rebellious years, so going against the establishment (heterosexual) is the thing to do. It is hard to take “gay” teenagers seriously.

 

[rjparson]

I think the issue is less about how these two girls act on their own as to pushing it onto the school and public in general. It’s one thing to be homosexual, but to force others to acknowledge the relationship, cross dress in public, and PDA in public, is something else. And when that is a school, I think kids have a right to be protected. I think that the parents of the area have a right to determine what they think is acceptable behavior at their school.

A prom is not a right, either. The girl was using it to make a statement, and so they took that statement opportunity away from her. If they had attended the prom as platonic friends, even if everyone at the school knew they were dating, it would have been different.

Also, teenagers are too young to be thinking about having sex, let alone what their sexual orientation is. And they are in their rebellious years, so going against the establishment (heterosexual) is the thing to do. It is hard to take “gay” teenagers seriously.

It’s sort of hard to take you seriously as well. You honestly think teenagers in the Deep South voluntarily choose to “pretend to be gay” for a few years? I’m pretty young myself. Pray tell, at what age can my opinions/personality traits/etc. be taken seriously? Am I just going through a straight phase right now?

And once again, these kids went to school together. I honestly don’t see how having two gay people off in the corner would have somehow made prom any more sinful than it would have been otherwise. And once again, if somehow being vaguely close to two gay people had affected the rest of the students morals, I would think their parents would be to blame (as far as I know, homosexuals don’t emit any sort of sin-rays).

If none of this persuades you, at least admit this. If they had gone to prom, no one would have noticed, and it would have been forgotten. Now this girl has been on Oprah and is discussed all over the internet. Which agenda do you think this helped?

 

[AndyF]

Koopa:

I agree.

Legally, there’ s exclusive clubs as well, where only select groups and characteristics are allowed.

The cause is sin compounding. We start by a rule of God, we then proceed to the breaking of that rule. We then see the taking of the advantage of God’s tolerance and slowness to punish, as the sinful look for experiential indicators of their obstinacy. Nothing “happens” so they go further and work on ruling and bending the interpretation of norms, and we have what we see now in this area as in others.

The Church needs to stand firm and be their when the “experiences” start to reveal themselves.

You will note there are seldom cases where same sex couples wish to express themselves in Muslim celebrations.

Wonder if it’s for the same reason?

Andy

 

[shelby2014]

It’s sort of hard to take you seriously as well. You honestly think teenagers in the Deep South voluntarily choose to “pretend to be gay” for a few years? I’m pretty young myself. Pray tell, at what age can my opinions/personality traits/etc. be taken seriously? Am I just going through a straight phase right now?

I’m also pretty young myself. That’s why I remember how confused and searching teenagers are and I know that they will do anything to get attention, even negative attention.

But as far as what age you can take them seriously? I don’t know for sure. In the US we have laws that people cannot vote until they are 18, that they cannot drink until they are 21. There are reasons for those laws. Studies show the brain doesn’t stop growing until the early 20’s. Perhaps “taken seriously” is the wrong term, but they are definately in a learning and development stage, and the things they believe now may not necessarily be what they believe in 3, 5, or 10 years.

 

[bobby_1975]

Can I have some Catholic perspectives on the cancellation of a Mississippi prom because one student wanted to bring her gay girlfriend? I looked on google for around 20 minutes and couldn’t even find one site that supported the school’s decision (bad idea to go looking for it–all I found was a lot of hatred for that “homophobic” Catholic Church.

Basically, I need good arguments in case this comes up in school. I’ve expressed myself very briefly, simply saying that homosexual activity is wrong and the school is right to restrict these students.

Well, the school has a right to do whatever it wants anyway–there is no reason they can’t not-have a prom. Plus, it would be offensive to students who believe homosexual activity is wrong (I feel like this is a weak argument because people will just say that we can’t ban something just because it could be offensive).

Help me firm this argument up!

What is your definition of “homosexual activity” in this article?

 

[ERose]

If it is a public school they did the wrong thing unless it was well know that these girls were public about their relationship and was looking for a scene so they could sue.

If it is a Christian Private School they did the right thing almost. I wouldn’t have cancelled the prom for these girls, but I would have explained to them that they could not come to the prom as an open date with kissing, rubbing and all that other stuff that should not be allowed at a school function.

Christian schools should not allow any promiscuous behavior at any school function anyway. Not only that there are many pairs of girls and boys that go to these functions because they do not have a date. So how did the school learn of these girls unless they were planning to make a scene and where telegraphing it around school. If that is the case the girls should have been banned. No since in hurting everyone because of a few.

PS: A Private school has the right to determine it’s own rules especially in areas that conflict with their core values.

 

[Booklover]

I went to college about an hour from this school, and I am one of many who disagrees with what they did.

First, while the first clause I bolded may be true, it doesn’t follow that the school can restrict something if finds to be immoral. Using that logic, they shouldn’t have let people go to prom who plan on having pre-marital sex afterwards, plan on drinking underage beforehand, etc. Singling out one vice (a vice that applied to -one- couple) and tolerating all the others doesn’t make sense in a public school.

And you’re right, you can’t ban something because you find it offensive. The 14th Amendment, etc.

You’re probably having trouble firming this argument up because its a silly argument. Having a gay date wasn’t going to materially affect the other students, and its certainly isn’t affecting anyone else outside of the school. And I doubt canceling the whole prom and making her the object of all her classmates’ hatred is going to convince her that she should, somehow, stop being gay.

There are worthier social problems to address. A minority of people in this country are gay. A much larger portion of society is/will be divorced. This mysterious gay agenda is little more than a strawman propped up by social conservatives to distract from more pressing issues.

This is not a strawman as you claim. Homosexuals may be a minority but there is an agenda by well organized radicals with plenty of money whose purpose is according to homosexual activist Paul Varnell:

"So the gay movement, whether we acknowledge it or not, is not a civil rights movement, not even a sexual liberation movement, but a moral revolution aimed at changing peoples’ view of homosexuality"

Vickie