Promises in Romans?

[Jim_Baur]

What promise or promises is St. Paul meaning in Romans?

In other words, what are the promises that the Gospel fulfills?

Thanks!

 

[david_friol_1]

What promise or promises is St. Paul meaning in Romans?

In other words, what are the promises that the Gospel fulfills?

Thanks!

Rom 4:13 “It was not through the law that the **promise **was made to Abraham and his descendants that he would inherit the world, but through the righteousness that comes from faith.”

I think it refers to these verses.

Gn 12:7 "The LORD appeared to Abram and said: To your descendants I will give this land. So Abram built an altar there to the LORD who had appeared to him.

Gn 18:18"now that he is to become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth are to find blessing in him?"

Gn 22:17–18 "I will bless you and make your descendants as countless as the stars of the sky and the sands of the seashore; your descendants will take possession of the gates of their enemies, and in your descendants all the nations of the earth will find blessing, because you obeyed my command.”

Sir 44:21 “For this reason, God promised him with an oath
to bless the nations through his descendants,
To make him numerous as grains of dust,
and to exalt his posterity like the stars,
Giving them an inheritance from sea to sea,
and from the River* to the ends of the earth.”

Gal 3:16–18, 29 "Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his descendant. It does not say, “And to descendants,” as referring to many, but as referring to one, “And to your descendant,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to cancel the promise. For if the inheritance comes from the law, it is no longer from a promise; but God bestowed it on Abraham through a promise. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendant, heirs according to the promise.

 

[Jim_Baur]

Thanks!

Again, thanks David

 

[Jim_Baur]

Any more help?

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Any more help?

I’d love to participate in your thread. I don’t know anything specifically about a promise like the last poster offered, but that doesn’t stop me from having opinions.

I love and study certain chapters of Romans. Could you give me examples of specifically what promises you are talking about? For example, freedom from condemnation in Rom 8?

Alan

 

[Jim_Baur]

In the first chapter St. Paul mentions that God fulfilled His promises in Jesus Christ and th Gospel.

This completing of His promises displays God’s Justice.

In other words, God is just and He shows us His justice by keeping His promises.

Romans 1: 1-2 …gospel of God, which He promised previously through His prophets in the holy scriptures.

Romans 1: 17 For in it (gospel) is revealed the rigtheousness of God.
In other words, God show us His justice by keeping His promises to us.

 

[thistle]

Haydock Commentary:

Rom 1:2

Ver. 2. Which he had promised before, &c. That is, God before, in the Scriptures, promised the blessings, which are now come by the preaching of the gospel, and that they should come by his Son. (Witham)

Rom 4:13

Ver. 13. Of the world, &c. By the world, some understand the land of Chanaan, which is sometimes meant by the whole earth, particularly in the times of David and Solomon, when they ruled over the neighbouring nations. But others think that the apostle alludes to the passage of Genesis, where the Almighty promises that in his (Abraham’s) seed, all the nations of the earth should be blessed; which promise extends much beyond the narrow limits of Chanaan. In fine, it may be understood in a spiritual sense, of his dignity of father of all the faithful; which makes him, in a manner, master of the whole world, since his spiritual children, spread through the whole world, have the universe for their inheritance. (Calmet) — Postula a me, et dabo tibi Gentes hæreditatem tuam et possessionem tuam terminos terræ. (Psalm ii. 8.) (Haydock) — It was by Christ that Abraham was to be heir of the world, in as much as the spiritual kingdom of Christ should be spread over all the world. And this of one who was of the seed of David, being heir of the world, was not by the law, or by virtue of the law, which was not given to Moses till 400 years after. (Witham)

 

[Jim_Baur]

Perhaps an answer is in II Corinthians 1. 20.

I like it!

I found it earlier today.

I will take all other ideas.

 

[ChrisCath]

Here are all the “promise” verses in Romans I could find (from the Douay-Rheims)

[BIBLEDRB]Romans 1:2[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Romans 4:13[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Romans 4:14[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Romans 4:16[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Romans 4:20[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Romans 4:21[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Romans 9:4[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Romans 9:8[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Romans 9:9[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Romans 15:8[/BIBLEDRB]

 

[ChrisCath]

Are you looking for some answer in general?
Such as, “promise” refers to the various covenants and gifts God spoke of in the NT?

Or are you looking for some larger context, like why does Paul use “promise” in his points on faith and the law in Romans?

 

[Jim_Baur]

I am looking for what St. Paul meant by the promise.

It seems to me that he meant God Incarnate.

It has to be that.

I was looking for Biblical passages that joined the Promise to the Incarnation.

Thanks for the help…

Thanks for the continued help!!!

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I was looking for Biblical passages that joined the Promise to the Incarnation.

I’d like to hear your personal opinion, not necessarily someone you quote, as to what this mean by a promise to an incarnation.

For example, I really like certain chapter of Romans and Rom 8 begins with “Hence, now there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed you from the law of sin and death.”

To me that is an awesome statement whose truth is itself a promise that we who are in Christ Jesus are beyond condemnation. I don’t know how anybody can read this and take courage – or at least take note if they can’t wrap their heads around it.

This says NO CONDEMNATION. That also means if we are condemning ourselves, then we are not living in Christ Jesus who made us in His image and died for us. So it’s a promise, but you have to truly believe the promise in order to have it. That can be hard for those of us who’ve been brought up thinking we should always be putting ourselves down.

Alan

 

[Jim_Baur]

I am not sure how to respond.

I read Romans as saying:

God made a promise to free me from sin.

His keeping of the promise reveals His justice. He actually kept His word.

God kept His promise by sending a “Freer” or Savior from sin.

When I have been freed from my sin, His promise will be kept.

Then I am justified or the promise has been kept.

We are truly freed from sin–not merely declared innocent, but actually innocent. That is when God’s promise is completed. Then I am justified. I am evidence that He kept His word (justice of God, I am justified).

It is extremely difficult to articulate.

He gives us new hearts and pours His love into our new hearts. We are new creations.

His love works through faith (Gal. 5: 6)

Faith without love is nothing (I Cor. 13: 4-7).

We receive the breastplate of righteousness and it is composed of love and faith.

Righteousness has two parts according to St. Paul–love and faith.

Ephesians 6: 10 Finally, draw your strength from the Lord and from his mighty power. 11 Put on the armor of God so that you may be able to stand firm against the tactics of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not with flesh and blood but with the principalities, with the powers, with the world rulers of this present darkness, with the evil spirits in the heavens. 13 Therefore, put on the armor of God, that you may be able to resist on the evil day and, having done everything, to hold your ground. 14 So stand fast with your loins girded in truth, clothed with righteousness as a breastplate, 15 and your feet shod in readiness for the gospel of peace. 16 In all circumstances, hold faith as a shield, to quench all (the) flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 With all prayer and supplication, pray at every opportunity in the Spirit.

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I Thessalonians 5: 8 But since we are of the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love and the helmet that is hope for salvation.

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**Isaiah 59: 17 He put on justice as his breastplate, salvation, as the helmet on his head; He clothed himself with garments of vengeance, wrapped himself in a mantle of zeal. **

God bless,

I did my best!

 

[AlanFromWichita]

We are truly freed from sin–not merely declared innocent, but actually innocent. That is when God’s promise is completed. Then I am justified. I am evidence that He kept His word (justice of God, I am justified).

It is extremely difficult to articulate.

He gives us new hearts and pours His love into our new hearts. We are new creations.

Amen!

His love works through faith (Gal. 5: 6)

Faith without love is nothing (I Cor. 13: 4-7).

We receive the breastplate of righteousness and it is composed of love and faith.

Righteousness has two parts according to St. Paul–love and faith.

Notice God’s love works through our faith? For example, Jesus told the woman, “woman, your faith has saved you.” If we let ourselves be clay, the Potter will shape us into what we can become.

Alan