proof about negative views on Harry Potter

[LemonAndLime]

My point is Harry does not nessecerily blindly follow Dumbledore, he actually begins to believe in life after death. Therefore he takes a leap of faith. I guess it also explains why he believes he could beat Voldermort on his own. He believes he will never truly die, while Voldermort believes there’s nothing beyond death.

Harry does believe he will die. Dumbledore believed that Harry would have to be actually killed for Voldemort to be stopped. It was a surprise that he survived the death curse a 2nd time, but he survived the 2nd time because the curse destroyed a part of voldy’s soul, and not harry.

 

[rocklobster]

I know all of those things. Did you mean to respond to my post? I was addressing someone’s specific concerns about Harry disobeying authority figures.

Considering how some of those authority figures aren’t that trustworthy (or even nice–Delores Umbridge anyone), I think his disrespect towards authority is justified. Respect is a two way street–a lot of the authority figures don’t respect Harry either. And for the record, there are authority figures he respects: Dumbledore, McGonagall, Mr. and Mrs Weasley–those are all authority figures.

 

[styrgwillidar]

From what I remember, I got the impression that he realizes his sacrifice’s efficacy only as he observes the effects of the battle. If my impression is correct, then hey, you have a point.

On the other hand, don’t he and Dumbledore figure out in King’s Cross that Harry has now extended the same supernatural protection to his allies and loved ones that his mother did to him?

If so (and hey, I could be remembering either one of these incorrectly), then I disagree, as there was no rush: he already knew Voldemort and the Death Eaters weren’t going to be able to do any more damage anyway.

I went and re-read the last couple of chapters. Harry definitely realizes and even states to Voldemort that V’s spells are ineffective and he can’t hurt or touch others anymore. But you could be right that he picked that up from observation. (Harry’s not covered, and we’ve seen that Voldemort actually can still hurt folks, he causes the sorting hat to burst into flame on Neville’s head. Maybe its limited) I can’t find where that protection extends to the Death Eater’s spells though.

In the Harry’s vision King’s Cross thing Dumbledore specifically states that the outcome isn’t certain if Harry goes back. (First rule to any fight- you can lose.) But Harry has less to fear from losing then Voldemort. That is, the whole point of the books is the eternal fate based on the courses of action of the two main characters- damnation/salvation. Voldemorts/HPs final confrontation is almost an anti-climax-- doesn’t really matter in the long run who is victorious or defeated in this world.

During the fight, Harry states that 'So it all comes down to this, doesn’t it. Does the wand in your hand know its last master was Disarmed? Because if it does… I am the true master of the Elder Wand." When he casts his spell it’s described as '… he too yelled his best hope…"

So, that’s where I got the impression that HP doesn’t know for sure. He’s gambling … some big ifs…a big hope… especially since he opts not to try to kill Voldemort but to disarm him.

He couldn’t have done that with a better chance of success from concealment, I mean disarm him while V isn’t aware he’s even there? Seems much more in keeping with his responsibility as leader than taking chances he doesn’t need to.

Anyway, probably spent too much time in this…