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I often hear when speaking about belief to all sorts of people them say:
„Well, besides to just believe it all, there is no proof!“ Sometimes there follows:
„If there was God, then He would not allow all these atrocities happening all around the Globe“. We all know this talk. Yes, it’s annoying and much work has got to be done to sort of convince people to enter the challenge of belief. It truly is a challenge if one thinks there MUST be some kind of proof and I got to grasp it.

Many say; we can only convince by sample. Actually true, but in today’s virtual world, where you see people walking and talking to their portables only, plus having earplugs to hear and talk virtually only, personal talks and „sample“ became widely impossible.
Asking someone on the road for the way, they have to unplug their earphones first and then say „whatcha say?“ A dismissive question. Discouraging any further talk.

In the „old days“ where people where not continuously plugged to some virtual distraction, one could give sample. People even where mindful towards one another, and responsive. Today all live in their own world - they even fear any personally recognizable connection - demonstrated in writing in all sorts of forums by anonymous nick only. What are all afraid of when telling their name? Are others dangerous?

However. BELIEF was at any time from Christ to this day transferred from person to person. Never from Anonymus to Anonymus, since belief is a very personal triangular Christ - Believer - Newcomer.
That’s so even then, when people are convinced by reading the Bible. Even there we got the triangular of Christ - Evangelist - Interested person.

Belief then must be believed as it’s name indicates. It can’t be proved to a stranger in belief. Neither can Atheism be proved. There’s no way around to believe the unseen and unprovable. Still - Belief in God though proves itself to all who honestly entered the challenge of belief. He who enters belief by a firm YES, sees God in all things as Ignatus of Loyola said. Believers then got somet indeed concrete and tangible.
What do atheists have? The nothingness and the knowledge that their live between birth and death into nothing but dust is actually nothing and soon forgotten.
Believers are never forgotten by God and all in heaven. And they have God with them always and God to address any time! Such are never alone.

We ask so incredibly much from God, that to believe in God and to believe in Jesus Christ and His doctrine, it the least we can do. What’s so difficult about this precondition for getting nearer to God. Why do so many of us refuse to believe, even though belief doesn’t cost anything?

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Bruno
 
God bless you, Bruno, for sharing your thoughts about belief.

Yes indeed those who claim that belief to them appears to have no basis, also cannot prove that God does not exist. They cannot know. No human being can know all the truths of the universe.

Just as we cannot see wind, only its effects, so also there are many truths in this world that we cannot see.

Kind wishes to you
 
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We ask so incredibly much from God, that to believe in God and to believe in Jesus Christ and His doctrine, it the least we can do. What’s so difficult about this precondition for getting nearer to God. Why do so many of us refuse to believe, even though belief doesn’t cost anything?

Yours
Bruno
Catechism
179 Faith is a supernatural gift from God. In order to believe, man needs the interior helps of the Holy Spirit.

162 Faith is an entirely free gift that God makes to man. We can lose this priceless gift, as St. Paul indicated to St. Timothy: "Wage the good warfare, holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting conscience, certain persons have made shipwreck of their faith."44 To live, grow and persevere in the faith until the end we must nourish it with the word of God; we must beg the Lord to increase our faith;45 it must be “working through charity,” abounding in hope, and rooted in the faith of the Church.46
 
Well, I must admit, that I never ever used a Catechism, until I founded my US-MailCircle about 12 or 13 years ago. I just had to have it for language-reasons, for my English is as you know poor 😉
Before it was enough to me to know all about God by the teaching of my very deeply in belief living parents.
Just remember, that all the Saints before Catechism, never had one. 12 century to 15 hundred years, the world didn’t have a Catechism, but all the same very many believers. When in the 13th it sort of started, it was anyway in Latin. Not before the 16th century some kind of „Catechism“ appeared in native Language, but with just very few answers. E.g. in English a 25 question-answer „Catechism“ by the name of:
„A Catechism that is to say an Instruction to be learned of every person before he be brought to be confirmed by the Bishop“.
We now are in the happy position to actually have a Catechism with thousands of inquiry-responsed answers, even world-wide authorised by the successor of Peter - the Pope.
Good! Very good indeed and invaluable!
BUT !
There is a big BUT. He who’s got BELIEF not as knowledge, but as a ever so natural part of his soul and body - of his entire life - doesn’t have to have necessarily a Catechism.
Many who do know the Catechism and it’s paragraphs, own little belief.
Remember Jesus Christ’s closest Disciple JOHN the Evangelist. It was him, who actually KNEW that Jesus was (and still if of course) God in God, Light from Light, True God in True God. He had THE WORD and such begun his Evangel by IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD……

And yes, "Faith is a supernatural gift from God“. Absolutely so.
But God chooses him, who opens his soul and mind and life to God in a a true longing for God.
So, if we not just know, but really believe in God. It’s only then, that we feel WE KNOW GOD to the extend God revealed Himself and allows us and even wants us to KNOW God.

Yours
Bruno
 
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Belief then must be believed as it’s name indicates. It can’t be proved to a stranger in belief. Neither can Atheism be proved. There’s no way around to believe the unseen and unprovable.
Ich würde empfellen “Die Schwelle der Hoffnung überschreiten” von den Heiligen Johannes Paulus II, Kapitels 4,5 und 6.
 
Oh, I did read this great book of Pope JP2 right when it was first released. The English version is: "Crossing the Threshold of Hope“
Of course swiftly after this papal release, a terribly annoying disgusting and in fact stupid anti book was written by the Munich „Theologian“ and sociologist Horst Hermann. „Johannes Paul II beim Wort genommen“.
 
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Oh, I did read this great book of Pope JP2 right when it was first released. The English version is: "Crossing the Threshold of Hope“
You have a head start on me, I’m reading through the book now. And I really like it!
Of course swiftly after this papal release, a terribly annoying disgusting and in fact stupid anti book was written by the Munich „Theologian“ and sociologist Horst Hermann. „Johannes Paul II beim Wort genommen“.
I didn’t know about Horst Hermann, I’ll look into him latter on. But from his book titles on wiki I can guess his line of thought. Thank you for the reference I really appreciate it.

I did know however that "Crossing the Threshold of Hope“ caused some anti-catholic sentiment/reaction in Sri Lanka due to its chapter on Buddhism and I’m also interested because of that.
 
Yes, actual grace preceeds conversion and brings faith. Because of the limitations of our imagination and our rational powers faith is superior to what is called belief, instead the faithful are called to give assent to the teachings of faith and morals that the Church gives.

Normally catechumens and the faithful learn from their pastors, with or without use of a written catechism. The catechism of St. John Damascene (676-749 AD) Ékdosis akribès tēs Orthodóxou Písteōs, was available in Latin and used, even by St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274 AD), from the time of its translation into Latin by Burgundio of Pisa during the Pontificate of Eugenius the Third (pope: 1145-1153 AD).
 
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