planten, are you working on a sequel to the Da Vinci Code ?
planten, are you working on a sequel to the Da Vinci Code ?
Maybe it’s about time for a topic - Did Mohammed, who the muslims claim was a prophet, actually exist? What independent proof outside of the qur’an and hadiths?
I haven’t always believed a man named Jesus existed. I was raised with a Christian background, went to a Christian school in my youth but fought religion tooth and nail. As I got older and more and more biblical history began to become uncovered by archeologists I started to except that Jesus did exist but as a man, as a prophet. It has never settled with me that he was (is) divine and I am mostly seeking evidence if he truly existed and of his divinity other than the bible. I look at the Bible and any other religious texts (Qur’an, etc) as a history book of doctrine faith written by man. It may be the word of God and I am not debating that but still at the end of day was written by man and man is fallible. Because of this I have always had a hard time submitting to religion based on blind faith but like history I like to gain insight from different perspectives before making a decision. I know information will be limited due to the time period but I am hopeful some items were recorded.
This is a good example to why I am asking.
Fair question and something I would like to research as well.
** It is no use shifting the burden from Jesus to Muhammad. If such is done, the case of Muhammad is quite recent (only 1400 years). Then you may deny that there was any Roman Catholic king Caesor whose forces were badly defeated by the Muslim warriors. It will then relieve us Muslims from any blame of defeating the Roman catholic soldiers.
Many of the cruel things that Nero liked to do to Christians was to crucify them along the streets, throw pitch on them, and then light them on fire. While they were burning he would taunt them by saying, “Now you are truly the light of the world!..”
yes , holy Quran & hadith.
well , he did not die . He will die after his second coming.
Jesus (pbuh) is a religious figure . So , why you are interested to know about him from non-religious source ??
This is false. He did die. There are Roman records, such as the one I provided from Tacitus who lived in the first century, along with Flavius Josephus, which tell of His crucifixtion under Pontius Pilate.
Well you just proved a reason to why I am asking. As a Muslim you believe Jesus was not crucified but Christians believe he was. So that’s two different viewpoints, from two different religions, painting two different pictures. The people who write religious documents are going to write any account the way that best suits their viewpoint of the situation. Hence to why we have some many religions and denominations of those religions because they interpret or accept only what they want of religious doctrine. So you find a 3rd viewpoint and at this time it could have been from the Jews or Pagans who witnessed Christ’s crucifixion. They will tend to be a neutral party because they don’t have a tie to Jesus or his religious following and may paint a more neutral viewpoint of the event or maybe they won’t. Plus there is no harm in researching the past and in ways allows a person to learn more about a religion.
From what I read and seemed to understand in your post it dealt more about the persecution of Christians and not about Jesus. What I am looking for and it may have been provided already from other posters (still looking up the links provided) is a written account of the crucifixion of Jesus or his life outside of a religious text.
