Proof that God Exists

[AltarServer09]

As believers in God, we all intuitively know that God exists. It just makes sense to us. But in discussions with atheists, we can never seem to answer the question: “Well if God exists, why don’t you prove it?” I’ve spent a lot of time on the internet, and I’ve been on a lot of sites that I haven’t exactly been welcome on because of my faith. I now know that if we all don’t ask ourselves this question, someone else who hates us for our faith will. And if you don’t know the answer when that time comes, you will make everyone who believes in God look stupid.

So I’m going to make sure that doesn’t happen, right now. I’m going to give you the proof you need that God exist.

The answer: Love. I know, you think I’m about to give you a lame sentimental load of hogwash, but just bear with me.

Let’s look at Love from an evolutionary standpoint. Why is it that in every human culture, all around the world, in every time in history, human beings have developed a need to love and be loved? From an evolutionary point of view, Love seems like a pointless concept. Humans don’t need Love to reproduce; it doesn’t help them adapt to their environments. How else could you explain the universal human need for Love without the existence of a Surpreme Being whose very essence is Love?

No one has told me to say this, I figured it all out on my own, so no one can say that religion stiffles independant thought. The atheist may not come any closer to being converted, but at least he won’t be able to say that you haven’t thought it out. Next time an atheist demands proof, just look back confidently and surprise the heck out of him.

 

[Awake]

Let’s look at Love from an evolutionary standpoint. Why is it that in every human culture, all around the world, in every time in history, human beings have developed a need to love and be loved? From an evolutionary point of view, Love seems like a pointless concept. Humans don’t need Love to reproduce; it doesn’t help them adapt to their environments. How else could you explain the universal human need for Love without the existence of a Surpreme Being whose very essence is Love?

Evolutionists would disagree. When a tribe or culture has a strong bond and looks out for one other, the chances that the tribe as a whole will survive and reproduce increases. If there was no love and bonding together, people would be left to fend for themselves and likely wouldn’t survive as long.

 

[Randy_Carson]

As believers in God, we all intuitively know that God exists. It just makes sense to us. But in discussions with atheists, we can never seem to answer the question: “Well if God exists, why don’t you prove it?” I’ve spent a lot of time on the internet, and I’ve been on a lot of sites that I haven’t exactly been welcome on because of my faith. I now know that if we all don’t ask ourselves this question, someone else who hates us for our faith will. And if you don’t know the answer when that time comes, you will make everyone who believes in God look stupid.

So I’m going to make sure that doesn’t happen, right now. I’m going to give you the proof you need that God exist.

The answer: Love. I know, you think I’m about to give you a lame sentimental load of hogwash, but just bear with me.

Let’s look at Love from an evolutionary standpoint. Why is it that in every human culture, all around the world, in every time in history, human beings have developed a need to love and be loved? From an evolutionary point of view, Love seems like a pointless concept. Humans don’t need Love to reproduce; it doesn’t help them adapt to their environments. How else could you explain the universal human need for Love without the existence of a Surpreme Being whose very essence is Love?

No one has told me to say this, I figured it all out on my own, so no one can say that religion stiffles independant thought. The atheist may not come any closer to being converted, but at least he won’t be able to say that you haven’t thought it out. Next time an atheist demands proof, just look back confidently and surprise the heck out of him.

I like this proof:

A Proof of the Existence of God
By James Kidd
catholic.com/thisrock/2006/0605uan.asp

 

[AltarServer09]

Evolutionists would disagree. When a tribe or culture has a strong bond and looks out for one other, the chances that the tribe as a whole will survive and reproduce increases. If there was no love and bonding together, people would be left to fend for themselves and likely wouldn’t survive as long.

Perhaps, although that sounds more like sociology than evolutionary science.

 

[tyler_1]

Aristotle proved the existence of God in his work Metaphysics and St. Thomas Aquinas gave us five logical proofs for the existence of God in his Summa Theologica > First Part > Question 2 > Article 3 available online here:

newadvent.org/summa/1002.htm

You’ll probably have the most success rebutting atheists using the prime mover theory (the first one). A word of warning though… your job is to plant seeds… trying to pin an atheist down on this point is usually met with something unintelligent. Here are two i’ve gotten in response:

“science hasn’t come up with the idea of something from nothing yet, but it will one day solve this puzzle” (this ignores the point entirely as it continues to supply causes in the infinite chain of causes)

and

“this is the wrong question to be asking” (which doesn’t refute the proof).

good luck.

 

[CSUNGerrie]

I like your agument, though I agree that an evolutionary theory would easily account for it.

Whenever I have used a love argument I have always asked people that if they want to really believe in God they need to trully love their fellow man with REAL love. Because real love always leads to pain in this dark world. To which they will usually reply, “sure but if I practice that and dont believe you will say it wasnt real love” BUt I would challenge their assumption by inviting them to try. Christ showed us what real love looks like and what the world does to it. So invite them to practice real love with so that they can prove to themselves 1) that God exists 2) He is Love 3) the world crucified him.
just my two cents,
Gerardo

 

[light1house]

As believers in God, we all intuitively know that God exists. It just makes sense to us. But in discussions with atheists, we can never seem to answer the question: “Well if God exists, why don’t you prove it?” I’ve spent a lot of time on the internet, and I’ve been on a lot of sites that I haven’t exactly been welcome on because of my faith. I now know that if we all don’t ask ourselves this question, someone else who hates us for our faith will. And if you don’t know the answer when that time comes, you will make everyone who believes in God look stupid.

So I’m going to make sure that doesn’t happen, right now. I’m going to give you the proof you need that God exist.

The answer: Love. I know, you think I’m about to give you a lame sentimental load of hogwash, but just bear with me.

Let’s look at Love from an evolutionary standpoint. Why is it that in every human culture, all around the world, in every time in history, human beings have developed a need to love and be loved? From an evolutionary point of view, Love seems like a pointless concept. Humans don’t need Love to reproduce; it doesn’t help them adapt to their environments. How else could you explain the universal human need for Love without the existence of a Surpreme Being whose very essence is Love?

No one has told me to say this, I figured it all out on my own, so no one can say that religion stiffles independant thought. The atheist may not come any closer to being converted, but at least he won’t be able to say that you haven’t thought it out. Next time an atheist demands proof, just look back confidently and surprise the heck out of him.

I enjoy science and have studied Christian scientist, It has been my experience that educating yourself with science facts is the best way to witness to these people. Did you know that science can not even construct the basic components need for a “simple” cell. They can not construct one RMA or DMA strand from scratch. I’ll tell you why their theory will never work. The cell is a very complex machine preforming many functions in a highly sophisticated manner. Scientists can get their hands on the parts needed to construct a cell, its really rather simple, they take a needle and poke a hole in the cell wall and out comes all the parts that make it work, all ready assembled. They have done this countless times but guess what they can never put Humpty Dumpty together again. They can not breath the breath of LIFE back into again. They will then look you in the eye and tell you that this all happened by chance. And then it became a fish ect ect ect. The case for a designer is end less, simply because the creation testifys to a creater. This applies to both life and the universe.

The love debate will not fly with these people it is simply beyond their reach. They first have to admit to themselves that there is no chance that all we see and know happen by chance. As long as they hold the hope that it could have happen all by itself you will not be successful in proving God, He will prove Himself. Many scientist have come to know God in the last 40 years as the result of the evidence. The question you pose to the atheists is what proof do you have that He doesn’t. But be prepared to with facts, the word will not penetrate the hardened heart until you strip away some of the thick callus.

 

[light1house]

Evolutionists would disagree. When a tribe or culture has a strong bond and looks out for one other, the chances that the tribe as a whole will survive and reproduce increases. If there was no love and bonding together, people would be left to fend for themselves and likely wouldn’t survive as long.

Evolutionists would also tell you thats what fish do and also the higher forms of life like lions.
It is not a case exclusive to man. They will then tell you it does not prove love but it proves the need to survive and your right back the Darwin and the survival of the fittest.

 

[Squishy]

I enjoy science and have studied Christian scientist, It has been my experience that educating yourself with science facts is the best way to witness to these people. Did you know that science can not even construct the basic components need for a “simple” cell. They can not construct one RMA or DMA strand from scratch. I’ll tell you why their theory will never work. The cell is a very complex machine preforming many functions in a highly sophisticated manner. Scientists can get their hands on the parts needed to construct a cell, its really rather simple, they take a needle and poke a hole in the cell wall and out comes all the parts that make it work, all ready assembled. They have done this countless times but guess what they can never put Humpty Dumpty together again. They can not breath the breath of LIFE back into again. They will then look you in the eye and tell you that this all happened by chance. And then it became a fish ect ect ect. The case for a designer is end less, simply because the creation testifys to a creater. This applies to both life and the universe.

Just because Man cannot do something now does not mean that it is impossible. It does not mean that resorting to a creator god is the only available option. The answer of ‘well actually i dont know’. Is far more honoust than making claims and assertations that do little more than fill the gaps in our knowledge, with comfort food. We do not know how life was created. We have a fairly workable model for complex life. Mabey in our life times we will see a similer one for life, or mabey not.

The love debate will not fly with these people it is simply beyond their reach. They first have to admit to themselves that there is no chance that all we see and know happen by chance. As long as they hold the hope that it could have happen all by itself you will not be successful in proving God, He will prove Himself. Many scientist have come to know God in the last 40 years as the result of the evidence. The question you pose to the atheists is what proof do you have that He doesn’t. But be prepared to with facts, the word will not penetrate the hardened heart until you strip away some of the thick callus.

You seem to have a slight flaw in your logic. How exactly do you prove something does not exist? Do we have to accept the claim that everything exists untill proven to the conterery. Many scientists believe in god, of course they do. Science and religious beliefs are not opposite ends of the spectrum. They are 2 completly different branches of thinking. Religion is a matter of spirituality and has little to say on the matereal realm.

As regarding Proof that god exists. Their really is not any, it makes for some great debates with friends and famely. But the argument can never be settled one way or the other as we just do not have enough evidence. The most honost of us will accept both possibilities. That their could be a god or not. However once you meet someone who hold a firm belief one way or another they are blinded to the arguments that counter their belief.

What exactly is wrong with not knowing ?

 

[light1house]

As regarding Proof that god exists. Their really is not any, it makes for some great debates with friends and famely. But the argument can never be settled one way or the other as we just do not have enough evidence. The most honost of us will accept both possibilities. That their could be a god or not. However once you meet someone who hold a firm belief one way or another they are blinded to the arguments that counter their belief.

What exactly is wrong with not knowing ?

You are right thats why I said above that God will prove Himself, you may have missed that statement. Blinded to the arguments that counter their belief, is the same blindness that some have when it comes to God. These place their faith in the fact that someday science will prove life can be reproduced from scratch, Those that know God exist or rather God has reveled Himself to them also enjoy science in the fact that it reaffirms their faith. But as you pointed out good luck proving that God exist that will satisfy scientific standards. Those who do believe like myself just rest in the fact that someday every knee will bow and confess that Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. In the end God will prove Himself to the unbeliever.