Proper attire for a traditional Latin Mass?

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<<< I have read saints who have said that the pains of hell and the pains of Purgatory are the same, save for the fact that the poor souls have hope. I don’t think there is Doctrine on the subject, but I am free to believe what the saints have said since it isn’t contrary to anything. I could be wrong, but I could be right. >>>>

Malleus : I wont argue that point with you. If you read the Summa St Thomas Aquinas opines that Hell and Purgatory are in close proximity to one another and the same Fire which torments the Souls of the Damned - purifies the Souls in Purgatory. And I dont think you are wrong definitively. I only lean towards Hell because of the "Exterior Darkness " But then - thats a theological point. You very well could be right. I had the very same discussion last week with an Eastern Catholic who likewise disputed St Thomas Aquinas. Isnt theology a wonderful thing?

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Malleus_01 said:
<<< I have read saints who have said that the pains of hell and the pains of Purgatory are the same, save for the fact that the poor souls have hope. I don’t think there is Doctrine on the subject, but I am free to believe what the saints have said since it isn’t contrary to anything. I could be wrong, but I could be right. >>>>

Malleus : I wont argue that point with you. If you read the Summa St Thomas Aquinas opines that Hell and Purgatory are in close proximity to one another and the same Fire which torments the Souls of the Damned - purifies the Souls in Purgatory. And I dont think you are wrong definitively. I only lean towards Hell because of the "Exterior Darkness " But then - thats a theological point. You very well could be right. I had the very same discussion last week with an Eastern Catholic who likewise disputed St Thomas Aquinas. Isnt theology a wonderful thing?

Pax
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Hmmm, am I being contrary to the Angelic Doctor? Certainly I would defer to him.

Other saints have said that when they have seen souls freed from Purgatory, they saw souls rise form out of the earth.
 
Regardless of type of Mass,traditional Latin or not, I think the key is to dress in a modest fashion.
I really dress about the same at the different types of Masses,because it is the same Lord at each of them.
 
Trick said:
Regardless of type of Mass,traditional Latin or not, I think the key is to dress in a modest fashion.
I really dress about the same at the different types of Masses,because it is the same Lord at each of them.
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Very good point. I do the same. I only get to go to Latin Mass once a month. But I dress the same for both.
 
Innocent : Hmmm, am I being contrary to the Angelic Doctor? Certainly I would defer to him.

Mal: No , I didnt mean to imply that you were contrary - the Eastern Catholic i was speaking with was completely contrary. Sorry , I think what you wrote is a plausible point that cannot be disproven. And nothing in the Summa would disprove it IMO. I think it is plausible because of whats in the Summa regarding Hell fire.

Innocent : Other saints have said that when they have seen souls freed from Purgatory, they saw souls rise form out of the earth.

Mal: I share that view. In addition - St Matthews Holy Gospel is much more forceful in two other passages as it does relate to Hell.

Matt. 25:41 - Jesus says, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

Matt. 25:46 - Jesus says, “they will go away into eternal punishment” which is in reference to this eternal fire.

The passage I cited is no where near as forceful . So you bring up a very good argument. Although I have my own opinion I also cannot disagree with what you posted. It is plausible.

Pax
 
<<< Regardless of type of Mass,traditional Latin or not, I think the key is to dress in a modest fashion. >>>>

Mal : Well said - because modesty itself is the point. And Innocent makes an equally valid point of not making a spectacle of oneself or a fashion statement. Now if we can only get our brothers and sisters to think that way.

Pax
 
Hi all.

I’m an RCIA candidate and attend the NO Mass in our parish. I think I dress appropriately (skirt suit or dress, never pants, never with my shoulders uncovered, etc…) but don’t wear a headcovering (nor does anyone else in our parish.) But I definitely believe dressing up is a sign of respect towards God.

Here’s my question: my husband’s family lives in another city. They attend a Traditional Latin Mass. Funerals are traditional Requiem Masses. When I attend a funeral, I wear a black lace mantilla. I cannot say that I do so out of respect to the Blessed Sacrament, because obviously if that were the case I would be headcovering at our NO Masses also. I do it because I want to show respect for the tradition his family follows (and oh, my, Requiem Masses are beautiful!)

Am I wrong to do so? Is it hypocritical of me to cover my head at these funerals when I don’t at my own parish?

Thank you!
 
longing4Jesus said:
Here’s my question: my husband’s family lives in another city. They attend a Traditional Latin Mass. Funerals are traditional Requiem Masses. When I attend a funeral, I wear a black lace mantilla. I cannot say that I do so out of respect to the Blessed Sacrament, because obviously if that were the case I would be headcovering at our NO Masses also. I do it because I want to show respect for the tradition his family follows (and oh, my, Requiem Masses are beautiful!)

Am I wrong to do so? Is it hypocritical of me to cover my head at these funerals when I don’t at my own parish?
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There is no “dress code” as such mandated for the EF, neither for males nor for females. One should dress appropriately. To my old eye, it’s similar in its way to how one would dress to appear in court.

Where I normally attend EF, many women do wear a head covering, while others do not. It’s not a matter of one group being more “respectful” than the other. Since the rule, as it were, requiring women to wear a head covering of some sort is no longer in effect, it has become a matter of preference.

FWIW, though, I commend you for respecting the tradition of the family when attending a funeral Requiem.
 
<<<< Am I wrong to do so? Is it hypocritical of me to cover my head at these funerals when I don’t at my own parish? >>>>

Mal: IMO - you should always cover your head out of reverence for the Blessed Sacrament. That being said - calling you a hypocrite would be uncharitable on my part so i wont go that far as to say something about that. Because I think that all women should cover their heads just as I think no man should wear a hat out of that same reverence.

THE FIRST EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS

1 Corinthians Chapter 11

11:1. Be ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ.

11:2. Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me and keep my ordinances as I have delivered them to you.

11:3. But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ: and the head of the woman is the man: and the head of Christ is God.

11:4. Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered disgraceth his head.

11:5. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven.

11:6. For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head.

11:7. The man indeed ought not to cover his head: because he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man.

11:8. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

11:9. For the man was not created for the woman: but the woman for the man.

11:10. Therefore ought the woman to have a power over her head, because of the angels.

A power… that is, a veil or covering, as a sign that she is under the power of her husband: and this, the apostle adds, because of the angels, who are present in the assemblies of the faithful.

11:11. But yet neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the Lord.

11:12. For as the woman is of the man, so also is the man by the woman: but all things of God.

11:13. You yourselves judge. Doth it become a woman to pray unto God uncovered?

11:14. Doth not even nature itself teach you that a man indeed, if he nourish his hair, it is a shame unto him?

11:15. But if a woman nourish her hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.

11:16. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor the Church of God.

11:17. Now this I ordain: not praising you, that you come together, not for the better, but for the worse.
 
I agree with Malleus, that you should cover your head at all Masses. I don’t think you are being a hypocrit, I think you are new and the rules are not clear. I attend NO most of the time b/c Latin Mass is available to me only once a month(travelling priest). I say pray about it.
 
<<< I agree with Malleus, that you should cover your head at all Masses. I don’t think you are being a hypocrit, I think you are new and the rules are not clear. I attend NO most of the time b/c Latin Mass is available to me only once a month(travelling priest). I say pray about it. >>>>

Malleus : And I think the advise to Pray about it is the best advise here yet given. Indeed we often ponder things or ask our neighbors for help and its good to do that. But nothing is as good as asking GOD to help us either directly or through his Blessed Mother or his Saints.
 
lizaanne said:
Why in the world would attire be different at a TLM than any other Mass? :confused: It’s all Mass you know - Jesus is no more or less present at one than He is at another. 🤷

~Liza
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Typically the OF dress code is more lax. Typically.

At a Church that has an established TLM, if you are a woman and show up wearing jeans, there’s a good chance you’ll be the only one doing so. So, in that sense, the OP should probably know what to expect which is that that most women at the TLM will be wearing skirts.

In any event, allow common sense to prevail. Mass is an important event in the life of Catholic where they encounter Christ Himself truly present in the Eucharist. Would you wear street clothes or jeans to such an important event in your life? How do you dress at Mass compared to how you would dress for a dinner at a nice restaurant? a job interview? Meeting a celebrity or politician? Consider the relatively importance of these other things and then attire yourself accordingly.
 
Malphono, Malleus, and Innocent:

Thank you for responding to my question. I appreciate the time you took to answer me.
 
Innocent3 said:
Hmmm, am I being contrary to the Angelic Doctor? Certainly I would defer to him.

Other saints have said that when they have seen souls freed from Purgatory, they saw souls rise form out of the earth.
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I’m curious. Could you name one or two of the saints who claim to have seen this?
 
longing4Jesus said:
Hi all.

I’m an RCIA candidate and attend the NO Mass in our parish. I think I dress appropriately (skirt suit or dress, never pants, never with my shoulders uncovered, etc…) but don’t wear a headcovering (nor does anyone else in our parish.) But I definitely believe dressing up is a sign of respect towards God.

Here’s my question: my husband’s family lives in another city. They attend a Traditional Latin Mass. Funerals are traditional Requiem Masses. When I attend a funeral, I wear a black lace mantilla. I cannot say that I do so out of respect to the Blessed Sacrament, because obviously if that were the case I would be headcovering at our NO Masses also. I do it because I want to show respect for the tradition his family follows (and oh, my, Requiem Masses are beautiful!)

Am I wrong to do so? Is it hypocritical of me to cover my head at these funerals when I don’t at my own parish?

Thank you!
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I don’t think that it’s hypocritical since you are doing so out of respect for his family. Now, if you were wearing it just to garner their approval…or…if you are letting them think that you do so all of the time, that might not be so good.

(I admire you for not wearing pants to your weekly Sunday Mass. I wear a skirt or dress no matter which Mass I’m attending & always have.)
 
CradleCath said:
I’m curious. Could you name one or two of the saints who claim to have seen this?
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I"m sorry I can’t. I have a book called “Purgatory,” which I have lent to a friend. When I get it back, I will look for the saints/quotes.
 
I don’t want to make you feel bad or guilty about the way you dress, or tell you that you’re wrong. I would hardly be the authority on that.

I do want to offer you my experience. To me, now, there’s a very certain and special kind of peace that comes with dressing, as a woman, from neck to wrist to ankle in a nice swingy skirt that hides the shape of the body - especially for any Mass, or for any other reason in a Catholic or Orthodox church. Rare is a pair of women’s pants that hides the shape of the body - no matter how wide the leg, the general anatomical shape is pretty evident.

For a while, I was a bit resistant to this idea of modesty - not least because it was a bit of a pain to have to plan and perhaps get some new clothes. That long skirt, that’s not really “me,” I thought (which is precisely the point, it turns out). People won’t know that I have a decent figure, I thought (which is precisely the point, it turns out). It’s old-fashioned and doesn’t conform to the highest fashions of our day (which is precisely the point, it turns out). What I had done by dressing that way was ablated myself - my self, literally, a scary and radical and ultimately peaceful act, and one that is especially appropriate for worship.

I think that if you find your outfit respectful, if it is one of the better outfits in your personal closet, then you are showing respect to God. We can’t peep in your drawers and tell you; as with so many things, this is your conscience at work, and only you truly know. Aside from that, though, I urge you in a very friendly way to just try long skirts and perhaps, one day, a veil and see how you feel about and during the Mass as a result.
 
I am new to this particular forum, but let me toss in my 2 cents. First, I find it interesting that we know we need to dress differently for a NO or TLM. My return to orthodoxy was a process over time–I began to wear the veil again, then to take communion on the tongue, then to dress in ankle length skirts and to cover to the wrist if possible. I always dressed modestly, but jeans for daily Mass in the NO was no big deal—until God called me to put my veil back on after years without it. One thing leads to another and in time we find the way to present ourselves to God with respect for Him, for His Presence, His house.
Pax,
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