Proper Church Attire

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Since a few threads have touched on this topic recently, let’s talk about it here.

I found a couple of charts that show some people’s opinions of what is proper and appropriate to wear to Mass. This one is interesting to me because of #2 (jeans are okay) and #4 (shows a dress with short sleeves). This one is also interesting because it also says that jeans and t-shirts (as long as they have sleeves) are okay.

I also found this article interesting: Is it time to impose a church dress code? Should parishes strictly enforce a dress code? How could they go about it? Should parishes turn people away who are deemed to be dressed “inappropriately”?

Should all parishes adopt the Vatican’s dress code and leave it at that? Or should parishes impose stricter dress codes than those enforced in Rome (ie, no short sleeves, no jeans, no t-shirts)? Can’t we agree that if it’s good enough for the Vatican, it should be good enough for us “ordinary” Catholics?

From the Papal Audience website:
(I would have gotten the information directly from the Vatican website, but I never seem to be able to navigate that site… 🤷)
Papal Audience Dress Code
:
For the Papal Audience casual but modest dress is accepted, again ladies should still have shoulders covered particularly if the meeting is held indoors.
As the Audience in Summer is usually held outside and Rome gets extremely hot, bring hats, sunscreen, water and cover up as much as possible to avoid burning.
Men are permitted to wear hats throughout the Audience.

St.Peter’s Basilica & Sisteen Chapel/Vatican Museums Dress Code:
Men:
Men should wear long pants and short sleeves t-shirts or shirts are OK but no vest tops.
Jeans are OK, official rules state no shorts.
As summers can be very hot the Vatican do sometimes relax the rules and allow Men to wear shorts however it is worth noting that this may not always be the case and the official dress code does state no shorts.
It is good perhaps to carry a pair of long pants with you in case or wear the cargo style pants that allow you to unzip the lower legs to create shorts when needed.
Men should also be aware that hats need to be removed before entering any church or Chapel which includes St Peter’s Basilica and the Sistine Chapel.

Women:
Women can wear trousers, capri pants and skirts and dresses are permitted however they cannot be shorter than knee length and shoulders must be covered.
In very hot weather a shawl or large scarf/Pashmina can be draped around the shoulders for visiting the sites.
Bare shoulders and short skirts are not permitted and again come prepared to cover up if wearing shorts.

Accepted
Mens:
  • Long pants
  • At least short sleeves
Women:
  • The knees covered
  • At least short sleeves
Rejected
  • Shorts
  • T-shirts without sleeves
  • Short skirts
  • Baseball caps inside the churches
 
Since a few threads have touched on this topic recently, let’s talk about it here.

I found a couple of charts that show some people’s opinions of what is proper and appropriate to wear to Mass. This one is interesting to me because of #2 (jeans are okay) and #4 (shows a dress with short sleeves). This one is also interesting because it also says that jeans and t-shirts (as long as they have sleeves) are okay.

I also found this article interesting: Is it time to impose a church dress code? Should parishes strictly enforce a dress code? How could they go about it? Should parishes turn people away who are deemed to be dressed “inappropriately”?

Should all parishes adopt the Vatican’s dress code and leave it at that? Or should parishes impose stricter dress codes than those enforced in Rome (ie, no short sleeves, no jeans, no t-shirts)? Can’t we agree that if it’s good enough for the Vatican, it should be good enough for us “ordinary” Catholics?

From the Papal Audience website:
(I would have gotten the information directly from the Vatican website, but I never seem to be able to navigate that site… 🤷)
Good Point. From the Papal Audience website, how does one translate “At least short sleeves” to “no short sleeves”?
 
Come on over to my thread. I had started a topic on this very subject. lol.
 
Good Point. From the Papal Audience website, how does one translate “At least short sleeves” to “no short sleeves”?
The intentions attributed to the Vatican Dress Code should be interpreted in ways not limited to literal readings of its document, but not in contradiction to the “letter” of its document. ;))

And also, does anyone know what “no vest tops” means?
 
The intentions attributed to the Vatican Dress Code should be interpreted in ways not limited to literal readings of its document, but not in contradiction to the “letter” of its document. ;))

And also, does anyone know what “no vest tops” means?
It is interesting that The Vatican Dress Code implies that baseball caps are not allowed inside even for women. No wink, it is just interesting.
 
Should all parishes adopt the Vatican’s dress code and leave it at that? Or should parishes impose stricter dress codes than those enforced in Rome (ie, no short sleeves, no jeans, no t-shirts)? Can’t we agree that if it’s good enough for the Vatican, it should be good enough for us “ordinary” Catholics?

From the Papal Audience website:
(I would have gotten the information directly from the Vatican website, but I never seem to be able to navigate that site… 🤷)
I believe that we should have a dress code enforced in our parishes similar to Rome’s. At our parish, we have the usual reminder in the church bulletin, but I don’t see any changes. I would love to hear other ideas on what parishes can do to accomplish a better dress code. :newidea:
 
I believe that we should have a dress code enforced in our parishes similar to Rome’s. At our parish, we have the usual reminder in the church bulletin, but I don’t see any changes. I would love to hear other ideas on what parishes can do to accomplish a better dress code. :newidea:
So how would you enforce it?

What if someone came directly from the hospital to be with Jesus? Would you turn them away because they were wearing the wrong clothes?

What if they felt pulled to be at Mass, after years away? Would you turn them away because they were wearing jeans? Or as Becca3 seems to want, because a woman was wearing pants?

Are we really willing to turn people away? Or make them feel as though they are not good enough?
 
While I fully agree about the proper attire while in Mass, I have only a couple of problems with this. I have been to the Vatican 3 times and therefore I totally understand that some tourists would show up with absolutely no respect for proper attire. I was raised protestant and can still remember my mother telling all of us kids to “never” enter a church with shoulders showing (amongst other things).
But, in our parish, we have several homeless people whom come in dressed in :eek: These people have every right to be there and I’m happy they are. There is no way that we, nor anyone else has the right to tell them to leave the Lords presence due to their dress.
I think having people assigned to the doors to turn people away is a bad idea! Is this what God would want? Jesus welcomed the poor, forgave the sinners.

Personally, I have more important matters to pay attention to while at Mass!
 
So how would you enforce it?

What if someone came directly from the hospital to be with Jesus? Would you turn them away because they were wearing the wrong clothes?

What if they felt pulled to be at Mass, after years away? Would you turn them away because they were wearing jeans? Or as Becca3 seems to want, because a woman was wearing pants?

Are we really willing to turn people away? Or make them feel as though they are not good enough?
Scrubs or uniforms I think would be exempt, or would be part of the code, right? Makes sense to me.

And I don’t think anybody has advocated ‘no jeans’ or ‘no pants for women’, right?

And as for the homeless, surely if we see people approaching who are in ragged clothes, wouldn’t we welcome them and then after Mass make sure that they received what they needed? Food, clean clothing, help. . .

I think it is a kind of false ‘empathy’ to argue that instead of trying to ‘clothe the naked’ we should let ourselves be just as naked, in order not to offend them. . .😃
 
It is good to have a dress code so that people will have some idea of what proper attire is, but not be so strict about it that people do not feel welcome. Once in a long while, our pastor works it into his homily of ways to show respect while at Mass or in church. Sometimes we do have to be reminded about things like this and other things. Even the most devout can sometimes be in a situations where someone tries to start up a conversation with them in church. I think the best way to teach is by example.
 
I think that people should dress appropriately if they have the means and if they know better. Of course Jesus would not turn someone away, and neither should we. However, respect should be shown during the celebration of Mass. I’m pretty lenient, but some things do cross the line.

Follow this link to view a video of a homily on dressing modestly at Mass. It was given by Fr. Dominic Mary on EWTN a couple of years ago.
 
I’m an RN. I start work at 8:30 every morning and go to 7:30 Mass every weekday, immediately prior to work. So if I wear my scrubs to Mass, shall I be given the boot?
 
while I admittedly wonder about the same people who repeatedly show up as if ready to attend a ball game immediately after services (and the chances of that are slim at best), I stop at wondering because no one knows for sure what each and every circumstance is for each and every person, each and every time.
I, in fact, did show up a few weeks ago with hospital bag in hand. Hadn’t even removed the charming little bracelet given to me.
I prefer to show more reverance than jeans would imply, but that is just that, an implication, not a fact of my reverance. If all I have are jeans, that ain’t gonna stop me from going to church. If one is able to dress better than jeans, fine, do it. If not, that’s fine, too.

What matters is the heart and its intention.
Only Jesus knows my heart regarding this and pretty much everything else. He knows I am doing my best with what very little I have.
 
So how would you enforce it?
Near as I can tell the Vatican dress code is mostly about what parts of the body should (or should not be) covered.

It does not say what should be used to cover those parts of the body. So jeans, scrubs, t-shirts, and all sorts of things are permitted.

Now if someone comes in with clothing with offensive pictures or language, or perhaps if someone was wearing clothing, a uniform, or a costume that seems to mock Catholicism then that would have to be “policed” on a case by case basis.

I have my own standards for what I wear to Mass. But I wouldn’t want to impose greater standards than the Vatican does on those who attend Mass at my parish.
 
Enforcement at the door??? If a parish is not prepared to enforce the policy at the door, then why should they post a policy to begin with? A question to think about.

Hey, I have an idea — there was a previous post about getting men back to Mass. Maybe this could be a new ministry for men – clothing bouncers!!! Kick those inappropriately dressed “Spirit of Vatican II” Catholics to the curb! And yes, this is sarcasm.
 
I’m an RN. I start work at 8:30 every morning and go to 7:30 Mass every weekday, immediately prior to work. So if I wear my scrubs to Mass, shall I be given the boot?
I don’t think so, but speaking of people wearing scrubs, I was wondering if the medical profession always allowed the wearing of scrubs out in the public or did they used to changed into scrubs when they got to work years ago? There was a similar situation with the Navy decades ago. My husband was not allowed to wear his dungarees in public. He could drive to and from work but he was not supposed to stop and go into the grocery store or any other business. It was not appropriate then to represent the Navy in their dirty work clothes, depending on the job they had. Things have changed today. And it used to be that pajamas were not wore to the grocery store or out in the general public either.
 
Father M. makes a comment about dressing for Church to the parish regularly, during Easter season and before Christmas. And sometimes people even listen. 😃

We choose to dress as if we were going to an important person’s home (we are, after all, going to see our Lord), or as if we were going out to a fine restaurant for a dinner date (food most Divine). But that’s just us. I have noticed over time that we’ve become more conservative in our dress. My wife and I simply try to be a good example for our younger parishioners, and tourists/visitors, many of whom seem to think that beach or sports attire is appropriate. 🤷

Some people are doing the best that they can under their circumstances. We must love them where they are. Some simply do not have the means, or have disorder interfering with their lives, and I empathize with them. Love and patience. 🙂

We have many young people, young adults, and strangers, and we wish that they remember how welcome they are at our parish, not have a memory of how they were scolded for their dress.

One thing I have noticed about folks is that they can hear a hundred good things, and then one word that they take offense to, and all they remember is that one bad word. 🤷

Love and patience. Long suffering.

:harp:
 
Enforcement at the door??? If a parish is not prepared to enforce the policy at the door, then why should they post a policy to begin with? A question to think about.

Hey, I have an idea — there was a previous post about getting men back to Mass. Maybe this could be a new ministry for men – clothing bouncers!!! Kick those inappropriately dressed “Spirit of Vatican II” Catholics to the curb! And yes, this is sarcasm.
The reason to have a dress code (ours is posted on the website not in the church) is because some people really do appreciate knowing what the proper dress consists of. It is not necessarily a negative thing to have a dress code.
 
The reason to have a dress code (ours is posted on the website not in the church) is because some people really do appreciate knowing what the proper dress consists of. It is not necessarily a negative thing to have a dress code.
A code does suggest appropriate or inappropriate behavior or actions. I still think I am raising a legitimate question – by putting it out there, what is the parish going to do when someone shows up not “obeying” the code? What if the person *still decides *to walk into Mass dressed in a fashion not approved of in the code? How far is the parish willing to go to ensure the dignity they feel is important?
 
… It is not necessarily a negative thing to have a dress code.
this is true. what is negative is the assumption of why people dress as they do without knowing the circumstances.
and this could go the other way, also.
I was guest at another church, where several female attendees were wearing formal gowns.
No, it was not a wedding, it was a standard ordinary service. You chould have heard the negative chatter…“show-offs!”
Perhaps they had a very good reason. Who were the mumblers to assume?

Still, I cannot imagine a dress code or turning someone away for appearance’s sake.
 
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