Prophecy of St Malachy

[Tominellay]

It’s St. Paul’s Outside the Walls…Paul VI is among those following John XXIII…I visited there in 1970 and there were few spaces left; however, googling around today I found a couple web articles that claim there are seven or eight…

In any case, I’m a fan of the St. Malachy prophecies, because it’s fun to “suppose” what truth lies hidden in those cryptic Latin verses…

Re “de medietate lunae”: the reign of JPI was brief but spectacular, and his pontificate was a media event for a month…

Re “de labore solis”: JPII figured with Poland and the labor group Solidarnost…

 

[jimmy]

What do you all think of the Prophecy of St Malachy?

If you have never heard of it or just need a brush up, here is a good link to refer to:

catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

This prophecy, if true, suggests that the reign of popes either stops… or it simply just stops listing them…

What about the apocolypse? I don’t believe in the rapture the way my nondenominational husband does, but this prophecy does draw some questions!

Well, if they are true then well will know within ten or fifteen years considering the fact that Pope Benedict would correspond to Gloria Olivae which happens to be the last on the list.

 

[beeliner]

I give up!

 

[jimmy]

I give up!

Why are you so concerned about making people agree with you about this prophecy? Whether someone believes it is irrelevant. I personally don’t believe it but what is wrong if someone else does? It doesn’t affect me and it doesn’t affect you.

 

[beeliner]

1. Why are you so concerned about making people agree with you about this prophecy?
2. Whether someone believes it is irrelevant. I personally don’t believe it but what is wrong if someone else does? It doesn’t affect me and it doesn’t affect you.

1. Stupidity offends me.
2. There used to be a comedian who used the stage name ‘Criswell’ (not to be confused with the Protestant apologist of the same name). ‘Prophecy’ was his ‘schtick’, and he was very funny. Some people didn’t get the joke and thought that he was really a psychic prophet!

When a list of ‘prophecies’ purports to have been written in the 12th century, and all of the predictions are dead-on accurate up to the 16th century, after which they are spotty to say the least, it doesn’t take a particle physicist to figure out that the list was written in the 16th century.

But as Criswell used to say, “We are all interested in the future, because that is where we will all spend the rest of our lives, whether we like it or not!”

 

[jimmy]

1. Stupidity offends me.
2. There used to be a comedian who used the stage name ‘Criswell’ (not to be confused with the Protestant apologist of the same name). ‘Prophecy’ was his ‘schtick’, and he was very funny. Some people didn’t get the joke and thought that he was really a psychic prophet!

When a list of ‘prophecies’ purports to have been written in the 12th century, and all of the predictions are dead-on accurate up to the 16th century, after which they are spotty to say the least, it doesn’t take a particle physicist to figure out that the list was written in the 16th century.

But as Criswell used to say, “We are all interested in the future, because that is where we will all spend the rest of our lives, whether we like it or not!”

I think your approach lacks charity. I think it is better to show charity than to be offended by ‘stupidity’. You think it is stupid but there are others on this forum who don’t. I am not really sure whether you refer to stupidity in reference to those who believe it or simply that the prophecy is stupid.

 

[beeliner]

I think your approach lacks charity. I think it is better to show charity than to be offended by ‘stupidity’. You think it is stupid but there are others on this forum who don’t. I am not really sure whether you refer to stupidity in reference to those who believe it or simply that the prophecy is stupid.

Well, you may have a point, so let me try to put it a bit more charitably.

The spurious origin of the ‘predictions’ is well-documented.

St. Malachy was an extremely interesting figure in Church history and absolutely pivotal in the development of Catholicism in Ireland.

Saddling his memory with nonsense is rather shameful.

Now here’s a ‘prediction’ of my own: When the next three or four popes have come and gone, the well-meaning but gullible will still be trying to shoehorn the ‘prophecies’ into the Church’s future, probably by claiming that a few of the names on the list didn’t count for some reason.

 

[jimmy]

Well, you may have a point, so let me try to put it a bit more charitably.

The spurious origin of the ‘predictions’ is well-documented.

St. Malachy was an extremely interesting figure in Church history and absolutely pivotal in the development of Catholicism in Ireland.

Saddling his memory with nonsense is rather shameful.

Now here’s a ‘prediction’ of my own: When the next three or four popes have come and gone, the well-meaning but gullible will still be trying to shoehorn the ‘prophecies’ into the Church’s future, probably by claiming that a few of the names on the list didn’t count for some reason.

I agree with you wholeheartedly here.

 

[Tominellay]

It’s just part of the lore of the papacy, and it amuses…It’s something to speculate on, have fun with, that’s all; I hope you’re not offended when people talk about Babe Ruth’s “called shot”…

 

[JimG]

Well, the St. Malachy “prophecies” may lack credibility, but so does “The DaVinci Code” and it had quite a run. In general, inhabitants of the 21st century seem to be quite a bit more gullible than their predecessors, and not just about religion.

 

[Tominellay]

Pope Benedict XVI addressed visitors from Pave the Way Foundation who were in Rome for a three-day seminar on Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII). BXVI’s words: “The focus of your study has been the person and the tireless pastoral and humanitarian work of Pius XII, Pastor Angelicus.” - this according to Rocco’s blog…

 

[JimG]

Well, if the next pope should take the name “Petrus Romanus,” it might cause quite a stir. . .

 

[I_thirst_4_YOU]

correct me if I am wrong, doesn’ t Malachy also say something about Anglicans rejoining the Church before the end also?

If not was there ever a prophecy of this by anyone?

 

[I_thirst_4_YOU]

I don’ t see that anyone has answered the main question that i asked; did the prophecy or ANYOTHER PROPHECY deal with the Anglicans rejoining the Church before the end?

 

[Shin]

The spurious origin of the ‘predictions’ is well-documented.

It is? Where is it well documented? Please provide me with the documentation regarding it and the ‘Peter the Roman’ part.

The prophecies of St. Malachy are in the Catholic Encyclopedia.

something about Anglicans rejoining the Church before the end also?

This isn’t actually Malachy but a different prophecy… let me look it up ah… St. Edward the Confessor, the King of England in the 11th century made the prophecy.

“During the month of January, 1066, the holy King of England St. Edward the Confessor was confined to his bed by his last illness in his royal Westminster Palace. St. Aelred, Abbott of Recraux, in Yorkshire, relates that a short time before his happy death, this holy King was wrapt in ecstasy, when two pious Benedictine monks of Normandy, whom he had known in his youth, during his exile in that country, appeared to him, and revealed to him what was to happen in England in future centuries, and the cause of the terrible punishment. They said: `The extreme corruption and wickedness of the English nation has provoked the just anger of God. When malice shall have reached the fulness of its measure, God will, in His wrath, send to the English people wicked spirits, who will punish and afflict them with great severity, by separating the green tree from its parent stem the length of three furlongs. But at last this same tree, through the compassionate mercy of God, and without any national (governmental) assistance, shall return to its original root, reflourish and bear abundant fruit.’ After having heard these prophetic words, the saintly King Edward opened his eyes, returned to his senses, and the vision vanished. He immediately related all he had seen and heard to his virgin spouse, Edgitha, to Stigand, Archbishop of Canterbury, and to Harold, his successor to the throne, who were in his chamber praying around his bed.” (See “Vita beati Edwardi regis et confessoris”, from MS. Selden 55 in Bodleian Library, Oxford.)

This is obviously the Anglicans, it’s one of the clearest and most profound and vivid prophecies in history…

 

[Shin]

RE:

something about Anglicans rejoining the Church before the end also?

Actually, I was wrong it was ALSO St. Malachy, here is a quote, “Ireland will suffer English oppression for a week of centuries, but will preserve her fidelity to God and His Church. At the end of time she will be delivered, and the English in turn must suffer severe chastisement. Ireland, however, will be instrumental in bringing back the English to the unity of Faith.”