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larkin31
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Thank you. Well said.
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edwest2
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Right now, in Massachusetts, the State is using force to indoctrinate little kids against the rights of parents to remove their children from such indoctrination.
massresistance.org/docs/parker/main.html
And other things have occurred that are connected:
massresistance.org/docs/info/kbase/facist_tactics.html
Parents have rights concerning their own children that should not be abused by the State.
God bless,
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Kevin42
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Wow, three pictures. You certainly have proved your point. By looking at these three pictures and making some large assumptions about the people in them based on their looks, we can paint an accurate picture of the entire gay community.
This one is kind of difficult for me, but since you are the expert, perhaps you could help me figure out who is the “man” and who is the “woman”.
majkens.co.uk/images/Pink/gay%20wedding%20port.jpg
Your ignorance of gay relationships is so clear. Try getting to know some gay people.
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captainmike
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yeah, there’s just a ton of empirical evidence, isn’t there, in favor of homosexuals adopting and raising kids? after all, it’s been going on for about 20-30 years in the whole of human history. what a joke.
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captainmike
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i’ve known plenty of gay people, thank you very much. i’ll bet i’ve known more than you have. the gay men i’ve known have been wildly promiscuous and would never have any interest in a monogomous relationship. in other words, they behave as nearly all men would if given the chance. and why don’t most men act that way? because women don’t allow it. women civilize men. take away a woman’s influence and men temd to be uncivilized.
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captainmike
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men usually don’t wear dresses, so it’s harder to tell on sight who the “man” is. but if you were around those guys for five minutes, you’d figure it out. if you don’t think so, then it’s you who haven’t been around many gay people.
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Kevin42
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Being gay myself, I don’t know if you would really want to bet that you know more gay people than I do. Luckily, you can now say that you have met yet another gay man, one who has only had one partner, whose partner has only had one partner - both of whom never plan to have any other partners. I also know two other gay couples who have been in steady monogamous relationships for three years now, and do not have any intention on changing that. I guess we got lucky and were already civilized. (Perhaps we were born this way?) Sure I know other gay people who aren’t monogamous, but I know alot of straight people that aren’t either.
But, you are changing the discussion (yet again) from how gay couples are all set up into “male actors” and “female actors” to how men are naturally promiscuous and need women to “civilize them”. (A bizarre theory, to say the least.) I think we have derailed this thread long enough though, back to “how prop 8 does or doesn’t violate EPC”.
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Oresteian
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Oh no don’t do that. You are shifting the burden of proof. You Prop 8 supporters are the ones making the claim that homosexual marriage SHOULD be banned. The onus is upon you to show why. You also claimed that such marriages are harmful to children and have not demonstrated how. In short, we are asking for the rational basis for Prop 8, which you have not shown.
You mention that homosexual adoption has been going on for the last 20-30 years. So I take it that you have the data to show that the adoptees are somehow harmed by this? I have the suspicion you do not.
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captainmike
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wrong. the burden of proof is upon those who would change the most fundamental and long-lasting institution in human history.
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captainmike
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don’t need data. i know from my own experience that children benefit from having both a mother and a father. i don’t need a scientific study to know that.
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captainmike
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if you were born that way, then why do you want what only heterosexual unions can produce, namely, children?
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larkin31
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No one said they didn’t.
They also benefit from having parents who are not grindingly poor. Should we deny marriages to the poor?
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larkin31
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Proof of what? What proof are you asking for?
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captainmike
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WHOA!!!No one said they didn’t.
you’ve made a big admission there.
so, if i grant gays the right to marry, will you agree that the owner of an adoption agency may “discriminate” in favor of heterosexual couples (all other things being equal) when handing out babies?
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captainmike
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exactly. there is no proof that you could possibly offer, because your hypothesis (i.e., gay marriage is good) has never been tested. thus, the overwhelming presumption in favor of the status quo stands.
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larkin31
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My brother-in-law is gay. He and his partner (10 years now) are indistinguishable in these terms you are mentioning.
And none of it matters for gay marriage. And of course none of the litigants or defendants in the case mentioned this kind of thing. You are not helping your cause here with these irrelevancies.
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captainmike
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i couldn’t care less what evidence was presented in the court case, the gay judge knew how he was going to rule before it even started. the whole thing was a farce.
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larkin31
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What admission? All I said was that dual-parent households, in general, tend to be stable and functional, as far is that goes. What’s the big deal? No one disagrees with this. No one wants to deny heteros the ability to marry and make children, either.
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larkin31
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This thread is about the case. If you are not interested in sticking to the topic, please find another thread before you get this one closed.
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