Protesant ?s What would your Church service be like if you had no bible or would you even have a Chruch if you didnt have a bible?

[Odell]

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Sure but no priest, a president of the congregation.
No statues.
No prescripted prayers.
No robes.
No mentions of Mary.
No incense.
It sounds nothing like the Catholic mass.

No nuns. No monks. No priests. No elaborate ceremony.
In fact, that passage said nothing about Gregorian chants or anything about music did it?
The Bible does not describe the Catholic service and neither did Justyn Martyr.
Reading the Bible.
Sermon
Prayers according to your ability (not predetermined or scripted)
a short meal
Welcome to my church.

The Liturgy in Heaven

Caught Up in the Spirit

The biblical story – told to us in the Scripture readings for the Mass and summarized in the Creed – reaches its “goal” in the Mass.

All the history recorded in Scripture, all that it reveals about the “one God” and His only Son, was intended to lead us to the moment of communion with God, through “the breaking of the bread” (see Luke 24:35).

In the Liturgy of the Eucharist, we see the culmination of biblical history right in front of us on the altar.

We “lift up our hearts” to heaven and are, in a real sense, “caught up in spirit” and taken into a liturgy that’s always going on in heaven (see Revelation 4:2).

That’s what was revealed to the Apostle John in the Bible’s last book. In fact, it’s the Mass that makes sense of the puzzling, and often frightening visions and symbols of Revelation.

What’s revealed to John is that the Mass we celebrate on earth is a participation in the liturgy of heaven.

John’s vision begins on “the Lord’s day,” Sunday (see Revelation 1:10) - the name the first Christians gave to the first day of the week, upon which they celebrated “the breaking of the bread” (see Acts 20:7; Luke 24:1).

John is “caught up in spirit on the Lord’s Day.” In other words, possibly while celebrating the Eucharist himself, John is taken to heaven.

** And John sees the same things we see when we come to Mass.**

He sees an altar (see Revelation 8:3); candles (1:12); incense (5:8); priests dressed in robes (4:4). And he sees **bread or manna **(2:17), and **bowls or chalices of blood **(see Revelation 16).

He sees heavenly worshippers – **angels and saints **– crying, “Holy, Holy, Holy” (4:8), singing a hymn to the glory of God, the heavenly king (15:3) and shouting “alleluia” (19:1,3,6) and making the **sing of the cross **on their foreheads (14:1).

There are readings from Scripture (Revelation 2-3), and, finally, the “wedding feast of the Lamb” (19:9).

Read that post about Justin again and compair that to scripture.

And regarding your post it sounds like you have never stepped foot into a Catholic Church and gone to Mass you show your ignorance when you post about the Mass that you know nothing about.

 

[Odell]

I got the quote wrong but it was Rightly Devided who quoted everthing you see me posting back on

I see he has nothing to say in response he says no priest I show him priest he says no robes I show him robes

And if he likes I show him Mary and incense as well

Welcome to my Church the original biblical CHURCH

 

[SyCarl]

The fact is that we do have a Bible. What we would do without it is therefore useless speculation. I suggest we listen to Paul.

But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.
(2 Timothy 2:23 NASB)

 

[Odell]

The fact is that we do have a Bible. What we would do without it is therefore useless speculation. I suggest we listen to Paul.

The problem is the Church has gotten along without it. But can yours?

 

[rtconstant]

Surely you don’t believe the OT canon as you now have it was universally accepted in the 4th century do you?

Now that I think about it, it would depend on what you mean by “universally accepted”. The earlier councils (Carthage and Hippo) did not have the authority to settle the issue for the church universal.

There is nothing to believe one way or the other. One either accepts history or denies it. Simple as that.

Here is the Canon:

Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Josue, Judges, Ruth, 4 books of Kingdoms, 2 books of Paralipomenon, Job, Psalter of David, 5 books of Solomon, 12 books of Prophets, Isaias, Jeremias, Daniel, Ezechiel, Tobias, Judith, Esther, 2 books of Esdras, 2 books of Machabees, and in the New Testament: 4 books of Gospels, 1 book of Acts of the Apostles, 13 letters of the Apostle Paul, 1 of him to the Hebrews, 2 of Peter, 3 of John, 1 of James, 1 of Judas, and the Apocalypse of John.

This list was accepted without change by the following councils:

Council of Rome 382 (under the authority of the Bishop of Rome)
Council of Hippo 393 (under the authority of the Bishop of Rome)
Council of Carthage: 397 (under the authority of the Bishop of Rome)
Council of Carthage: 419 (under the authority of the Bishop of Rome)
Council of Florence: 1441 (Ecumenical Council)
Council of Trent: 1545-1563 (Ecumenical Council) where it was dogmatically declared in defense against Protestant changes.

It should also be noted that the same Canon was sited when a list was request of Pope Innocent I by the bishop of Toulouse in 405.

It should further be noted that this same Canon was used in Jerome’s Vulgate which was the official translation of the Church. Further it should be noted that this same Canon was used in EVERY officially approved Bible from that period on. There are NO other versions until the “Reformers”.

Only one ECF personally disagreed with the approved Canon and even he readily accepted the will of the Rome and the Councils on this, as evidenced by the fact that he uses the above list in his own translation. So do not decieve yourself into thinking there was widespread debate over the Canon.

 

[graceandglory]

I think it is a logical question im just curious of how your service would go if you had no bible what would it be like?

Yes, they would probably still have “church” without the Bible. There is always the focus on the pastor and his interpretation, and his “TRADITION” or the denomination’s TRADITION that would carry on.

12 yrs ago I was in a Bible church (The word Bible was even in their name), and I realized that while we all got handouts for the sermon in order to take notes during the sermon, people didn’t bring their bibles anymore, it was all the pastor’s teaching. That was in the hey-day of the “Toronto Blessing” which I wanted no part of.

YOU WANT BIBLE TEACHING? Try the Catholic Church.

 

[Teflon93]

Protestant services would be 10 min shorter on average.

 

[Justin_A]

Well I don’t think there woud be a protostant church if there were no bible since protostantism is based on the bible.