Protest Against Shameful Treatment Britain's Disabled

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Dearly beloved friends,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

Residents of Great Britain may be interested to know that on Wednesday February 19th., campaign groups including Disabled People Against Cuts, ATOS Miracles and Black Triangle have called for a national demonstration to protest against the disgraceful and inhumane treatment of people receiving disability benefits. There are protests planned outside every ATOS centre.

It is now common knowledge, dear friends, that many vulnerable sick and disabled persons have been incorrectly declared fit for work, notwithstanding that they are suffering greatly from long-term mental and physical illnesses. Alas, in some cases people have even died after being wrongly assessed by an unqualified assessor. Many of us know of people who have been left in jolly desperate circumstances as a consequence of ATOS work capability assessments, frequently suffering a harsh reduction of or a total loss of benefits. This is nothing short of disability denial and that in a civilised country of the West.

For more details please go to ukrebellion.com/atosdemo

God bless, dear friends, and thankyou for reading this.

Warmest good wishes,

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In Christos
 
I wish them all the best.

Some wise person said someone about being judged by how we treat the least among us…
 
Fellow Brit here, I too am shocked at how much effort has been put into taking a little away from those who had virtually nothing to begin with.

It’s a political initiative to appeal to the “Daily Mail readers” who think that everyone receiving benefits is a “scrounger”. Hope the next Government changes things for the better.
 
I wish them all the best.

Some wise person said someone about being judged by how we treat the least among us…
Dear Bell(name removed by moderator),

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your response. My prayer is that the protest will be well supported throughout the country and receive good media coverage.

Yes, the way in which a nations most vulnerable people are treated is indicative of whether or not it is in a truly healthy state. A country which demonises its sick and jobless and odiously divides people into ‘skivers and strivers’ has stooped to a very low and disgraceful level.

God bless, dear friend.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
 
Praying for all the disabled.
Dear tawny,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou, on behalf of Britain’s sick and disabled, for your prayers and I say a hearty Amen. They certainly are in need of earnest prayer at the present time.

God bless, dear friend.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
 
Fellow Brit here, I too am shocked at how much effort has been put into taking a little away from those who had virtually nothing to begin with.

It’s a political initiative to appeal to the “Daily Mail readers” who think that everyone receiving benefits is a “scrounger”. Hope the next Government changes things for the better.
Dear Isca,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. First, really splendid to see a fellow British citizen on these boards and thankyou for your response.

It is a chilling sign of the times that a harsh new mood towards our countries sick and jobless appears to be fast becoming acceptable and normal. There is, alas, a whole new dialogue with regards to disability, characterised by the unremitting drip-drip of stories implying that the vast majority of benefits claimants are bogus and live a carefree life at the taxpayers expense. We are repeatedly told that welfare benefits have been doled out without proper checks and that people have been awarded, for example, indefinite disability payments just because they feel a little depressed and stressed. This is just plain ignorance, for what gives ordinary laymen the right to pronounce judgment upon an individual’s mental health problems, which may be very severe and complex?

Unfortunately, dear friend, the chattering classes of middle-England take a perverse delight in listening to the utter nonsense written in the Daily Mail about a burgeoning benefits culture and the multitudes of feckless scroungers and cheats. It sells their paper and confirms their readers in their deep seated ignorance and prejudice. There is nothing clever about taking isolated cases of flagrant benefits abuse, which nobody would defend, and then use such cases to support a theory of a benefits culture with widespread dependency.

It does not take rocket science to see that a cascade of spurious claims and scandalously spun stories results in demonising the sick and unemployed and hardening public attitudes towards them. With Edwina Currie MP and that unpleasant journalist from The Sun, Katie Hopkins, what chance do these most vulnerable members of society really have? Is it any wonder that they are targeted as being workshy or of not thinking positively about what they can achieve. What is very sickening about these right-wing politicians and journalists is that they patronizingly speak of ‘tough love’ and the country simply not having the money to support the poor, sick and needy. Well, if this disgraceful coalition government did not waste so much taxpayers money on successful appeals against ATOS work capability assessments they might be able to channel that money to those who deserve it. Again, think about the vast sum of money that is lost as a result of tax evasion/avoidance. Why do the government not pursue these criminals with the same zeal as they do the sick and unemployed? All of that recovered revenue could be used to give the vital support that is so urgently needed by the poor and most vulnerable in society. At any rate, ATOS hardly provides value for money when you consider the very costly appeals process. It is high time that this unfit for purpose company had its government contract withdrawn and that assessing the sick was handed back to family doctors and hospital consultants, who alone are qualified to make decisions respecting people’s work capability. Much more reliable and cheaper as well.

Many people are jolly fed up with the shameful attack against the sick and weak of this country. It is a monumental and tragic social injustice and should be denounced in the strongest terms, especially by those who profess the holy religion of Christ.

God bless, dear friend, and thankyou for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
 
Dearly beloved friends,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

British government and press propaganda regarding welfare cuts and benefits claimants only succeeds in skewing public opinion towards division and hatred. Moreover, the government’s targeting of the most vulnerable members of society, such as the sick and unemployed, is surely tantamount to a violation of their human rights and ought to proceed to the European Court of Appeal.

Never, dear friends, have I ever known a government as cold, callous and dispassionate as the present one, but I am not at all convinced that the lot of the sick and unemployed would fare better under a Labour government. The urgent need of the hour is for more public debate upon this controversial topic so that myths can be exploded and fantasy separated from fact.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
 
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Many British people need to repent of their hardness of heart and for believing uncritically all of the shameful negative propaganda directed at welfare claimants. The need for support from the wider community is deep for the sick and unemployed and a little bit of fellow-feeling would not go amiss - “weep with them that weep” (Rom. 12: 15). We should, dear friends, sympathise with the sorrows of the afflicted and wronged against, remembering that divided sorrow is halved.

Previously I mentioned the urgent need to separate fact from fiction, so here are some commonly held fictions respecting welfare benefits:

1/ A huge amount of welfare benefits are given to people who are fraudulently claiming - “cheats on the fiddle” to use the harsh popular parlance. This is actually a huge widely believed fiction, for only £1.2 billion a year is down to fraud, less than 1% of the total state benefits bill (Source: Department for Work & Pensions, British government department responsible for administering Social Security).

2/ Nearly all benefits are paid to people out of work and on the sick list. Yet another myth. Payments to pensioners make up more than half of the Social Security spend - pensioners who usually have a private pension as well (Source: DWP).

3/ Many generations of the same family have never sadly worked. Again, this is yet another widely held myth among the British public. The fact is that fewer than 1% of families have two generations who have never worked (Source: Joseph Rowntree Foundation).

We hear, dear friends, much ill-informed ranting from extreme right-wing journalists like Katie Hopkins of The Sun tabloid newspaper about hard working people having had enough of feckless and indolent benefits claimants. However, we never hear her or the Daily Mail having had enough of rich tax avoiders, which is, I think, jolly telling. Tax avoidance amounts to a loss of £30 billion pounds as compared to £1.2 billion in terms of benefit fraud. Now should not the government be relentlessly pursuing these tax avoiders, so that the recovered revenue can be directed to the vital needs of Britain’s most vulnerable people? Remember these are people who are very sick and must often choose between eating and heating during the cold winter season. Unfortunately, this is unlikely to happen soon because the unfair and misleading portrayal of benefits recipients sells newspapers and polarizes the issue - hence the distasteful “skivers and strivers” dialogue. Catholics above all people should be exposing the media’s twisting of the way the public see the sick and jobless because this results in the demonization and unfair discrimination of the latter.

In closing, dear friends, it is utterly scandalous that the present British government finds it perfectly acceptable to have tax cuts for the super rich but cut after cut to those on welfare, including many with chronic mental and physical illnesses. Is this equitable and morally defensible in a civilised society and in the seventh richest world economy? Moreover, we as a nation ought to hang our heads in shame over the existence of Food Banks which has hundreds of thousands British citizens going begging, including many working poor because they are not paid a decent living wage by greedy employers. How can this injustice be tolerated, for the labourer is worthy of his hire, as St. Paul saith?

God bless and, again, thankyou for taking the time to read the above, my dear friends. My earnest prayer is that I may have least succeeded in getting people to rethink this whole issue and the dreadful injustice being perpetrated against Britain’s most vulnerable people. Let us, dearly beloved, champion their cause and alleviate their heavy burden if we are able.

Goodbye for now.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait:tiphat:

In Christos
 
It is now common knowledge, dear friends, that many vulnerable sick and disabled persons have been incorrectly declared fit for work, notwithstanding that they are suffering greatly from long-term mental and physical illnesses.
Unfortunately, I don’t think I am that surprised. 🤷
 
Hi Portrait,

Although we disagree on quite a number of things, I completely agree with you here. Needless to say, I am Irish, and I have heard a lot about this. I find it rather ironic that the same people who complain about those on benefits were the same people who were cheerleading the reckless privatisations of the Thatcher era which put a lot of the unemployed on the dole in the first place. What do they expect these people to do? Live on air? Unfortunately, with the rise of UKIP, I suspect that things will get worse before they get better.
 
The sad reality is that governments eventually realise that socialism and the payment of government benefits to all who define themselves as disabled becomes too expensive to maintain. This the the sad reality of many European governments from Britain to Greece. Then people scream when they are dragged off the socialist soporifics.
 
30 million people work in the UK. Two million are on disability payments. One in fifteen workers are paid by the government for being so disabled that they cannot work. Something awfully wrong with this system, given the rising aged pension cost from an aging population. These demographics alone will have fewer working supporting more non workers on government benefits for not working. Alice in Wonderland has nothing on this escape from reality.
 
OK Petaro, so do you believe that we should adopt the American model of economics, with all the social problems that that entails?
 
OK Petaro, so do you believe that we should adopt the American model of economics, with all the social problems that that entails?
The Popes have written wiser words then me condemning the evil in excesses in both capitalism and socialism. But when a State takes on social issues such as disabilities there is the need for bureaucratic definition and concomitant abuses. There is always need for public servants’ oversight which can lead to overbearing intrusion or slack abuse.This leads to a cumbersome appeals system and further financial strain on government resources.
Compassion should not blind us to the economic cliff we are heading towards.

That is not to say I don’t have compassion for the disabled. Many people cannot work and need support however the British experience is a lesson for us all.

Here in Australia we are introducing a National Disability Insurance Scheme for the long term disabled, with such a lack of definition supporting political motherhood promises that I fear we will not learn from other countries.
I can only agree with you in that I would hate to be poor and sick in America.
Here in Australia, we have a publicly funded medical safety net supporting private medical insurance, with many people criticizing both.
We like Britain have a publicly funded disability pension, and , like Britain, it is the fastest growing government relief. Our unemployment rate is 5.6% and our new start support benefits for the unemployed is below the poverty line as part of government policy to “encourage” people back to work.This tempts people to try their chance on claiming disability. Our government too, is starting constant reappraisal of an applicant’s health status to get them back to work.
There is no simple answer, but the economics cannot be ignored.
 
The sad reality is that governments eventually realise that socialism and the payment of government benefits to all who define themselves as disabled becomes too expensive to maintain. This the the sad reality of many European governments from Britain to Greece. Then people scream when they are dragged off the socialist soporifics.
Strangely, I agree with both you (which isn’t unusual) and Portrait (which is very unusual!)

On one hand, the disabled are underserved, and benefits - including government benefits - have a hard time reaching those who most need them. (Part of my job involves issuing disability certificates for the mentally ill, so I have a fairly good idea how the system works.)

On the other hand, an over-liberal use of disability benefits leads to absenteeism and a “diagnostic bracket creep” (that is, the term disability becomes more and more loosely used). As this happens, government budgets run dry, and sooner or later, they cry “Uncle!” - leaving everyone, including the severely disabled, in the lurch.

I guess part of the solution is private / charitable solutions for the disabled, but I’m not sure how workable that is in practice. 🙂
 
The Popes have written wiser words then me condemning the evil in excesses in both capitalism and socialism. But when a State takes on social issues such as disabilities there is the need for bureaucratic definition and concomitant abuses. There is always need for public servants’ oversight which can lead to overbearing intrusion or slack abuse.This leads to a cumbersome appeals system and further financial strain on government resources.
Compassion should not blind us to the economic cliff we are heading towards.

That is not to say I don’t have compassion for the disabled. Many people cannot work and need support however the British experience is a lesson for us all.

Here in Australia we are introducing a National Disability Insurance Scheme for the long term disabled, with such a lack of definition supporting political motherhood promises that I fear we will not learn from other countries.
I can only agree with you in that I would hate to be poor and sick in America.
Here in Australia, we have a publicly funded medical safety net supporting private medical insurance, with many people criticizing both.
We like Britain have a publicly funded disability pension, and , like Britain, it is the fastest growing government relief. Our unemployment rate is 5.6% and our new start support benefits for the unemployed is below the poverty line as part of government policy to “encourage” people back to work.This tempts people to try their chance on claiming disability. Our government too, is starting constant reappraisal of an applicant’s health status to get them back to work.
There is no simple answer, but the economics cannot be ignored.
Thanks for the clarification, Petaro, and I’m sorry if I came across as bellicose there. :o

You do make a good point about where this could be funded. Well, one thing we could do is start taxing those companies like Google and Starbucks that are avoiding tax in the UK at the moment, that’s one way it could be solved. Another way could be to cut the defence budget, which is a bit big for a country the size of Britian.

I agree that both capitalism and socialism are evil. I also agree that looking after the most vulnerable in our society should not be confused with socialism by any means, like some US commentators are trying to claim.
 
30 million people work in the UK. Two million are on disability payments.
Dear Petaro,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your (name removed by moderator)ut into the discussion.

The significant point to be grasped here surely is that the vast majority of the population do in fact work, with only a relatively small percentage on the sick list. Moreover, disability-related fraud is estimated at a mere 0.5% (Source: DWP), which necessarily means that only an infinitesimal number are actually bogus claimants who are swinging the lead and milking the system. It is extreme right-wing commentators, edged on by tory politicians with an axe to grind, that have irresponsibly whipped up public ire and prejudice against the disabled by speaking of a bloated ‘sick note culture’. Thus it is hardly surprisingly that there is now almost a presumption of malingering in modern Britain, coupled with a cynical but mistaken belief that most welfare claimants are probably being dishonest respecting the gravity of their physical/mental condition. However, the simple fact is that such miscreants are a small minority, as has been corroborated time and again. Those who are recipients of disability benefits are mostly bona-fide claimants with serious mental or physical illnesses (sometimes a combination of both) which preclude them from being a part of the workforce.

Unfortunately, dear friend, everything in the welfare debate now begins with the prevailing Tory narrative that ‘welfare’ is a luxury that we can no longer afford. The counter-narrative, alas, has been jolly patchy and dispersed. Certainly there have been splendid accounts on what it is really like to have to live on welfare benefits with all the impoverishment and stigmatisation, but not sufficient emphasis on the fact that most of the budget goes to pensioners and the working poor. Then you have all this hysteria over households where there have allegedly been ‘generations of worklessness’, notwithstanding that it applies to only 1% of claimants. The clear subtext is that people are getting benefits to which they are not entitled. However, owing to a hardening of attitudes towards the sick and jobless, fuelled by certain fanatical commentators like Katie Hopkins, many it seems are quite happy to swallow all the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Many of us here in Britain, dear friend, remain very proud of our Welfare State because we know that it has provided a vital safety net to multitudes who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own. However, many men are of the opinion that the current unpleasant discourse regarding the sick and unemployed is really more about getting rid of the Welfare State entirely. This would be a monumental tragedy of the first rank. If one were to visit any place where there is no such safety net for the poor and vulnerable, one would see people who appear prematurely old, or severely obese and toothless, or the sorry sight of the disabled out on the street begging. Moreover, some of these poor souls will be vacantly staring into space or scavenging on refuse heaps. Not everyone who is unemployed and claiming sickness benefits is able and capable of work. It is really quite that simple. A civilised society must provide for this very small number of people through a benevolent welfare state so that they are not cruelly left to fend for themselves, being left entirely to the mercy of charities.

The case for the Welfare State (not welfare dependency) needs urgently to be made again given times in which our lot is presently cast. Some men deviously argue for getting rid of the Welfare State by removing the moral obligation. They do this by contending that welfare somehow creates moral disaster by acting like a soporific, resulting in welfare dependency and those much talked about ‘generations of worklessness’. No, dear friend, this only results in disability denial and a more callous society that is very intolerant of those who are losers in the struggle to survive, for whatever genuine reason. Moreover, it also ends with politicians on both the right and left uttering like a mantra that work is *always *the route out of poverty and always the way forward, though they and we know that this is not always the case without exception. That work is a positive reinforcement in giving a man a sense of self-worth and purpose is something I would not stop to deny - provided that he is truly able and capable of such work in the first place. This sounds jolly obvious, but not so in modern Britain, I’m afraid.

From what I have observed, dear friend, none of the main political parties here in Britain represent a challenge to the idea that a ‘culture of entitlement’ exists at the bottom of society. If there is a culture of entitlement then it exists at the top in the form of sanctioned tax avoidance. The supposed trickle down of wealth does not occur in reality and the poor still remain poor and vital cuts to welfare benefits remain necessary as an act of so called ‘tough love’. If there is any ‘trickle down’ then it is a trickle down in the attitudes of the wealthy, namely a disconnection from the state, mutual obligation and shared humanity - in short a rejection that I am my “brother’s keeper” and a survival of the fittest mentality.

In closing I will say that of the five evils that William Beveridge set out to end - want, disease, ignorance, squalor and idleness - at least four are still going strong and that ought to cause modern Britain to hang its head in shame.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
 
Thanks for the clarification, Petaro, and I’m sorry if I came across as bellicose there. :o

You do make a good point about where this could be funded. Well, one thing we could do is start taxing those companies like Google and Starbucks that are avoiding tax in the UK at the moment, that’s one way it could be solved. Another way could be to cut the defence budget, which is a bit big for a country the size of Britian.

I agree that both capitalism and socialism are evil. I also agree that looking after the most vulnerable in our society should not be confused with socialism by any means, like some US commentators are trying to claim.
Dear YoungIreland,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your contributions and may I say that I think that you make some excellent observations, such as those above. Tax avoidance amounts to a loss of £30 billion pounds as compared to £1.2 billion in terms of fraudulent benefit claims and yet there is hardly any national vitriol directed against wealthy tax dodgers. Jolly strange that, eh?

How unfortunate, dear friend, that whenever one hears about the welfare system, which is very frequently nowadays, the focus is always upon the negative. We are continually told by angry po-faced politicians and ultra right-wing commentators about the budgetary cost, the supposed unsustainable number of recipients or the “vast army of benefits cheats” who are playing the system. However, you hear virtually nothing about how vital welfare payments protect the poorest and most vulnerable in society, allowing them to live their lives with some degree of dignity. For example, the Welfare State allows our sick and disabled to live independently without having to rely upon charity and it allows and an unemployed family to buy their child some school shoes. Moreover, without a benevolent welfare system huge numbers of children will be smaller and weaker and thus more prone to illness and disability. Not only will they be low achievers at school but it is unlikely that they will even finish their education. Indeed, there is a strong likelihood that they will end up in prison and have a criminal record. Needless to say this will only serve to weaken the economy and the social codes on which we all depend. These risks are well established and it is sheer folly to either ignore them or be denial concerning them; we are none of us able to exist with much comfort outside of the healthy society that we have come to take for granted. In any event if people do not have enough money to live on, some will be forced to eke out a miserable existence on the streets, whilst others will feel that they have no alternative but to steal what they need to survive. There is evidence that this is happening in Britain already, which is a very sad commentary on the present governments punitive welfare cuts. The Welfare State is not merely a safety net to the jobless despite their honest and diligent job searching, it can also be seen as an insurance policy against the effects of extreme poverty and deprivation.

A civilised society, dear friend, must have a fall-back system that helps families and individuals cope with through a crisis period. Moreover, it must also make provision for its sick and disabled, sometimes even indefinitely. Surely most decent people would want to see a system that supports those who are unable to work owing to physical or mental ill-health. Families on low or no income at all need to receive welfare relief so that they are provided with the basic needs of food, shelter and medical care. Find it very hard to understand why anyone would demur at this in a modern progressive country like Britain, but increasing numbers evidently do because they have believed all the ranting of extreme right-wing columnists. Very sad and clear evidence of the hardening of attitudes towards the sick and jobless.

It is high time, dear friend, that the focus was placed on the tax laws and that the loopholes were closed so that the wealthy and powerful pay their fair share. Corporate tax incentives should also be closely examined, as there is far too much revenue that is not being collected that should be - revenue that could be channelled to the poorest and most vulnerable members of society. It is grave social injustice that the rich and powerful are left alone whilst the government goes exclusively after those in receipt of benefits - it needs to diligently recover that £30 billion loss in tax avoidance as a matter of urgency and fairness.

God bless and goodbye for now.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

In Christos
 
I agree that both capitalism and socialism are evil. I also agree that** looking after the most vulnerable in our society should not be confused with socialism by any means, like some US commentators are trying to claim**.
Dear YoungIreland,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

Indeed, it is virtually impossible in Britain to champion the cause of the sick and unemployed without being branded a Socialist or bleeding heart liberal. To even dare critique, let alone denounce, the coalition’s punitive welfare ‘reforms’ in polite society is to elicit a frosty response and raised eyebrows. There is this unthinking assumption that the government have got it right and that every reasonable person must see that welfare spending is unsustainable. However, just try speaking to people about the flawed ATOS work capability assessments which are manifestly not offering good value for money, as the huge number of *successful *appeals testify only too well, and they start looking jolly uncomfortable. Then try and speak to them of the huge amount of money that is lost by tax avoidance and they are shuffling their feet and wanting to exit quickly form your company. Again, try speaking to them regarding the hated ‘Bedroom Tax’ and the hardship that is it causing to many of the poorest and most vulnerable members of society, including many of the disabled and *working *poor. Sadly, multitudes of people have been duped by all the ultra right-wing media and its ideological war against the sick and jobless. They seem to take some perverse delight in absorbing all this nonsense uncritically and are unable to believe that they have been deceived.

What I find so very saddening, dear friend, is that many people, usually the chattering middle-classes who are comfortably well-off, oppose a decent living wage for the working poor who are struggling to provide even the bare necessities. Employers ought to pay a living wage to ensure that five million low-paid workers benefit from the economic recovery. Rising bills and pay freezes have led to a double squeeze for many of the working classes with many having to choose between eating and heating in the cold winter season. Is it not high time that employers choose between making gains on the back of poverty wages or paying a fair wage? It is utterly disgraceful that the working poor must rely on ‘top ups’ from the government to augment their woefully inadequate wages and this in the sixth richest economy in the world.

God bless and may you and all other contributors to this thread have a jolly splendid and relaxing weekend.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait:tiphat:

In Christos
 
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