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I simply disagree that we are Christians first and “Lutherans, baptists, Catholics. etc.” second.

We are Catholics. We are not one of the groups. We are THE group. The others are protestants. We have the truth. We have the authority. No one else does.

So, not trying to start something, but we are are Catholics. First.
I don’t disagree with this. I just want to remind our fellow brothers and sisters of the Roman Catholic Church to always be charitable, as well as other fellow brothers of other Christian Churches. I know we have THE FULLNESS OF THE TRUTH, and we are THE CHURCH. However, we are all christians.
 
The problem is that protestants do not have the fullness of truth, so they will lash out at catholics. I mean, if you consider it logically, how many protestant religions are there? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? Really the only thing they can agree on is that they don’t like the true church. I really wouldn’t be too hard on them, they simply do not know any better.
No, I don’t think so. I have known more holy Protestants than I have Catholics in my lifetime. When people act with integrity according to what they believe, they have plenty to guide them to be charitable to strangers.

You are right, there are plenty of anti-Catholics that are so because they don’t know any better, and we need not to be too hard on them.

But those on a public forum claiming to be Christian that behave as some do have plenty of cause for shame, and that goes for this forum as well.
 
I am sure Christians, both protestants and catholics, are called to be Charitable. I am also sure at said website there are christians non-catholics that are charitable. Similarly, here there are christian catholics that are not charitable.

I am happy to be here, and I am glad others find this website useful. We love God, love Jesus Christ, love the Holy Spirit. We honor the Blessed Mother, and appreciate the wisdom of the saints. We want to be active participants in our Churches. Let’s remember always that We are CHRISTIANS first, and then Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox, and so on.
No, sorry, I don’t hear the word “charitable” except in Catholic circles. And certainly the forum moderators here enforce this concept strictly.

Been cut to shreds by Protestants and NEVER did anyone remind them to be charitable.
 
:rolleyes: That’s always the reason isn’t it? We don’t have the fullness of truth so we are rude, ignorant, naive, arrogant, etc etc.
Apparently so. If you claim to have this “fullness of truth” which protestant church should I follow?

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Those are just a few I found. Again, which one has the fullness of truth?
 
What does that have to do with rudeness and lacking in charity?

Jon
Apparently nothing according to you. I was just responding to a previous poster (a protestant I might add) about the rudeness and lack of charity toward Catholics that she saw on a popular protestant chat room. She was wondering why that is. All I did was list a couple of hundred reasons for that
 
No, I don’t think so. I have known more holy Protestants than I have Catholics in my lifetime.
I probably have also. What has that got to do with anything? I was pointing out that Protestants do not have valid sacraments, and therefore lack the fullness of truth. The fact that many of them do not like that , but choose to pretend so anyway, does not change it.
When people act with integrity according to what they believe, they have plenty to guide them to be charitable to strangers.
Again, I was simply responding to the OP’s observation that she saw many unkind and uncharitable statements thrown at Catholics on the chatroom in question.
 
I don’t disagree with this. I just want to remind our fellow brothers and sisters of the Roman Catholic Church to always be charitable, as well as other fellow brothers of other Christian Churches. I know we have THE FULLNESS OF THE TRUTH, and we are THE CHURCH. However, we are all christians.
Actually “We” are not all Christians. There are many differences among the non Catholic denoms that vary from minor to major and on to not even marginally Christian because of their theology. To lump them all together as “Christians” is not only unfair it is totally inaccurate. Just for openers the LDS group claims to be Christian and they are simply not and that is just one example.😊
 
Apparently so. If you claim to have this “fullness of truth” which protestant church should I follow?
To answer this would derail the thread. Anyway, she never CLAIMED to have the fullness of Truth!

Fullness of Truth is not a requirement for civil behavior. In fact, there are atheists who behave better in civil discourse than some of those on the “harm” forum!
 
To answer this would derail the thread. Anyway, she never CLAIMED to have the fullness of Truth!
True enough my friend. I never said that she did. She simply asked why Catholics are treated poorly on some protestant websites. She seemed truly dismayed by this. I merely gave her (and another poster) an answer.

Well actually a couple hundred answers.
Fullness of Truth is not a requirement for civil behavior. In fact, there are atheists who behave better in civil discourse than some of those on the “harm” forum!
Again, I never said that it was.

What is the “harm” forum?
 
Actually “We” are not all Christians. There are many differences among the non Catholic denoms that vary from minor to major and on to not even marginally Christian because of their theology. To lump them all together as “Christians” is not only unfair it is totally inaccurate. Just for openers the LDS group claims to be Christian and they are simply not and that is just one example.😊
Friend, thanks for mentioning this, but in my original message I was only referring to Protestants and Catholics.

God Bless!
 
I probably have also. What has that got to do with anything? I was pointing out that Protestants do not have valid sacraments, and therefore lack the fullness of truth. The fact that many of them do not like that , but choose to pretend so anyway, does not change it.
It has to do with the fact that having a lack of the fullness of the faith is not the cause for the lack of charity. Plenty of Christians who have only part of the Truth can behave in a hospitable manner. There are many non-Catholics on CAF, such as JonNC who posted above, whose participation is much more charitable than some Catholic members of the forum. In other words, even non-Christians can be demonstrate more civility than what I have seen on the “harm” forum. It is not the result of doctrine or lack of it, it is the result of a lack of the fruit of the Spirit. And those who are some of the most aggressively rude will affirm that Christ expects us to have the fruits of the Spirit!

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Again, I was simply responding to the OP’s observation that she saw many unkind and uncharitable statements thrown at Catholics on the chatroom in question.**

Yes, I know. I am disagreeing with your response. 😉
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Actually “We” are not all Christians. There are many differences among the non Catholic denoms that vary from minor to major and on to not even marginally Christian because of their theology. To lump them all together as “Christians” is not only unfair it is totally inaccurate. Just for openers the LDS group claims to be Christian and they are simply not and that is just one example.😊
This is true. I have met some Mormon’s who have more godly behavior and attitudes than many Catholics. It is not appropriate to make broad sweeping generalizations.
 
I’m not sure what other forum ya’ll are talking about and that’s fine since I wouldn’t be able to find the time to visit more online social networking sites, but I’ve been on here since early April. Read through posts from folks who are Catholic, non Catholic, Atheists, Pagans, Wiccans and every thread I have read, the folks here are very mature and respectful to one another. I really appreciate that. Makes coming here more pleasant and enjoyable. 😃 So, thank you. 👍
 
It has to do with the fact that having a lack of the fullness of the faith is not the cause for the lack of charity.
It most certainly is the cause of it. You wouldn’t like it if someone told you your religion was in most repects invalid. You would resent it. I would too. But that does not change the fact that it is so.
Plenty of Christians who have only part of the Truth can behave in a hospitable manner. There are many non-Catholics on CAF, such as JonNC who posted above, whose participation is much more charitable than some Catholic members of the forum.
True again. But you’re confusing manners and good behavior with truth. They are simply not interchangeable.
In other words, even non-Christians can be demonstrate more civility than what I have seen on the “harm” forum.
I’ve already agreed with you on this. Civility and good manners are entirely separate from doctrine; Catholic, Protestant, atheist or otherwise.

And again I will plead ignorance, I don’t know what the “harm” forum is.
I have met some Mormon’s who have more godly behavior and attitudes than many Catholics.
I will certainly agree with you again. I grew up next door to a family of Mormons. They were among the most wonderful, kind, charitable folks I have ever met.
It is not appropriate to make broad sweeping generalizations.
It is when you’re talking about Christian dogma.

You are either Catholic (or Orthodox), or you are a Protestant. There is simply no way around it.
 
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Simply do not know any better? Really? You seriously believe that a Christian, of any communion, doesn’t have the understanding of Christ that we should love our neighbor as ourselves, or knowledge of what you and know as the 8th Commandment which requires us to not bear false witness?
Yes. Simply do not know any better. You can quote all the commandments you wish to, but it does not change the fact that if your church is not Catholic or Orthodox, your church does not have valid sacraments, (other than baptism and marriage). I sincerely wish that were not the case, but it is.
Honestly, and with due respect, this approach appears to this noncatholic as either enabling of un-Christlike behavior, or worse, condescending. I would think you don’t mean it ether way, but that’s the way it sounds.

Jon
No, you are entirely correct. I meant every word I said. I’m sorry you consider it “un-Christlike behavior” and “condescending,” but it’s the truth. A truth you, me nor anyone else can change.
 
It most certainly is the cause of it.
No. People who have very little of the revelation of God at all are able to be civil. Atheists can be more civil than those “harm” folks! It has to do with an attitude of inhospitality.
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You wouldn't like it if someone told you *your* religion was in most repects invalid.  You would resent it.  I would too.  But that does not change the fact that it is so.
Well, I hope that I would not develop a resentment, because it is contrary to the teachings of the Apostles, who teach us to be always ready to give an account of our faith with gentleness and reverence. The writings of Peter are among those our Calvanist brethren have a tendency to skip over.

I have been told a variety of insulting things about my faith, both before and during my tenure here at CAF. The fact that people have evil thoughts about the Catholic faith is not sufficient grounds for me to become resentful and uncharitable. Besides, when I was insulted on that forum, I had said nothing about their faith lacking anything. Bigotry is often not a response to any environmental stimulus, but flows from the blackness within.
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True again. But you're confusing manners and good behavior with truth.  They are simply not interchangeable.
Actually, I think you are accusing me of what you are doing. I am saying they are lacking in manners and courtesy, and you are saying this is because they lack Truth.
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I've already agreed with you on this.  Civility and good manners are entirely separate from doctrine; Catholic, Protestant, atheist or otherwise.
Then why are you blaming the discourtesy on doctrine?
I will certainly agree with you again. I grew up next door to a family of Mormons. They were among the most wonderful, kind, charitable folks I have ever met.

You are either Catholic (or Orthodox), or you are a Protestant. There is simply no way around it.
And none of those categories necessarily causes a lack of respectful discourse. That is why the suggestion that we should “not be too hard on them” because they lack the fullness of faith is spurious.
No, you are entirely correct. I meant every word I said. I’m sorry you consider it “un-Christlike behavior” and “condescending,” but it’s the truth. A truth you, me nor anyone else can change.
I beg to differ. It is certainly possible to represent the truth without coming across as bigoted and condescending.
 
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