yes Episcopalians / Anglicans believe in Transubstantiation I believe but without the proper consecration ritual
Most of the mainstream protestant denominations believe in the real prescence but their understanding will differ from the Catholic view of transubstantiation. Some Anglicans believe in the latter. I am not aware of any denominations where the Eucharistic liturgy can be led by anyone other than a priest or minister.
It’s not the consecration ritual which is improper, but the ordination ritual which effectively then invalidates the confection of the Eucharist.
They believe in the Real Presence, but not Transubstantiation. Majority view is Consubstantiation from what I’ve heard.
According to Apostolicae Curae, it was an invalid ordination form, as found in the Edwardine Ordinal, coupled with an assumed invalid intent, (not stated, but assumed to be the sacramental intent of those who consecrated Archbishop Parker in 1559), which resulted in a break in apostolic succession. The invalid form was cured in 1662, but, according to the RCC, Anglicans do not possess valid holy orders.
Anglican views on the Real Presence are varied, as they are on many things. I seriously doubt Consubstantiation is the majority one.
(as GKC knows)
The answer to this is no, only a validly ordained priest can make Christ present under the species of bread and wine. It does not matter what Protestants " believe. " It is the Catholic Church which defines the validity of priestly ordination. See this article by Jimmy Akin for a more detailed discussion.
Evangelicals believe that if 2 or more gather in the name of Jesus then he would be really present. So since communion is a group activity then they have the “real presence” of God.
True, that, mostly. But it was not a just in case. It was a full agreement of inter-communion, which had been being discussed/worked on for many years.
Just to highlight a differance: We would never say we make Christ present. We would simply acknowlage that Christ is present.
GKC is too polite to say that Rome is studiously pretending not to notice the issue!
As I often say, the Anglican Communion’s widespread belief that they are ordaining/consecrating female priests/bishops, possessing valid holy orders, in the sense the undivided Church has understood that sacrament ab origine, makes Apostolicae Curae a prematurely prescient document. The concept of female bishops is a black hole at the center of Anglican sacramental order which will eventually render the judgment in AC quite accurate.GKC is too polite to say that Rome is studiously pretending not to notice the issue!
Then again, they may just have decided to wait long enough for it to be a moot point since Anglican episcopal lines are increasingly severed by attempts to ordain women as bishops. Time may eliminate the need for them to figure out what happened.
I ain’t Jon, but I’ll bite
Ok, Jon. Take your time. No hurry.I ain’t Jon, but I’ll bite
Officially speaking, Lutherans who subscribe to the Book of Concord do not believe in Consubstantiation. If any term is really used, it is that of Sacramental Union, which means that the Body and Blood of Christ are truly present in the Eucharist, but along with the bread and wine. Another favorite phrase used is “in, with, and under the forms of bread and wine”. The whole idea of Sacramental Union is viewed analogously to the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union. Just as Jesus is truly Divine and Human, and in no way does either Nature subsume or obliterate each other, but are rather perfectly and without mingling united together, so then also are the Eucharistic elements and Christ’s Body and Blood.
When you boil it down, it comes out to this:
We don’t attempt to define the means of how Christ’s Body and Blood are made present within the Sacrament of the Altar. Jesus says this bread is His Body, therefore it is; Jesus says this is His Blood, and therefore it is. We know this because Jesus is the Logos of God, and all things are brought into being through the command of the very same.
Therefore, just as it was said “Let there be light” and it was, and just as it was said “Go, your sins are forgiven” and they were, and just as it was said “Lazarus, arise and come forth” and Lazarus rose from the dead, so to then when it is said “This bread is my Body broken for you; This wine is my Blood of the New Covenant”, so it is.