Protestant Best Friend Mad/Upset With Me

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I went to Harvest Crusade last year and this event is NOT about converting Catholics.

The fact that people actually think that made me laugh since most of the people that do attend it are Protestant.

Greg Laurie does not say “if you are non Protestant then you need to convert.” He never not once mentioned anything about converting.

At the end of his message he asked if anyone wanted to come to Christ and learn about Christ to come down and he would pray for them, He never said Non-Protestants or even non believers. Actually, even the believers who had a burden on their heart were going down there. My Catholic friend was the one who told me she wanted to go and she had no problem with the message.
I believe that you are sincere. I believe that you did not know what the website said. It is difficult to discern attempts at conversion as a practicing Catholic. I have been to so many Protestant functions and in time it became clear that every function was an attempt to convert. You do not see it perhaps because you may see it is part of who you are and what you do.

I have listened to Greg Laurie and so many others. When I hear any of these guys I listen for subtle messages. They are always subtle including statements that allow you to conclude Faith alone, Bible alone, and often times indirect digs at other beliefs. You don’t hear them because you do not believe otherwise.

It is difficult to help you understand. It is like this.

Coming to Christ as you are, walking with him as you do, incomplete because you abstain from the supper and as you want to avail yourself of His graces and be obedieint beyond what others may say. Jesus wants you to go to Church and he loves you for going to Church and he knows that all God’s children in his Church pray for those that go to Church. If going to your Church was enough then there would be no need for you to believe that more is required and while believing you have his word, his word goes beyond what is written, it must be lived in the Church, that is His body, and he cannot have many bodies and the love of God is within you and we love you as you are. We love you as you are and as God loves us as we are, he love us too much to let us stay that way. We pray that you join us this evening for an evening of prayer and a message.

This is sort of how it goes.
 
I’m sorry harvest is an event that takes place in a basball stadium it is a large event and there is christian music which i love and don’t have a problem with but after the concert the paster Greg Laurie preaches to all the people there about salvation and persuades the non Protestants there to convert to Protestants and I told her why I did not want to go but she doesnt want to take no for an answer and she got up set with me. 😦
If you’re uncomfortable she has to respect your decision, especially since the pastor is calling for conversion to his community. Her pressure is a very uncharitable, immature, and ineffective way to share the Gospel.
 
If you’re uncomfortable she has to respect your decision, especially since the pastor is calling for conversion to his community. Her pressure is a very uncharitable, immature, and ineffective way to share the Gospel.
It is an ineffective way to share another gospel, not that there is another gospel.
 
Your friend and her fellow evangelicals think that your “discomfort” is because the Holy Spirit is working in your heart to get you to leave the false Catholic Church (a cult, in their view) and come home to the truth, the REAL Christian Gospel, which is asking Jesus into your heart to be your personal Lord and Savior (getting “saved”).
Great post and great advice. Thanks for sharing!
 
Yea I think you are probably confusing the “altar call” whereby people and called to come forward to show their commitment to Christ rather as some sort of Anti Catholic thing which it simply isn’t.

On the other hand I am “protestant” (well you would call me one) but even I am uncomfortable with these sorts of events. They often seem to be “concerts” rather than services with Music and singing broken up by the odd prayer and a short “sermon”… often they are little more than a showcase for a particular church, a two hour long “come and look at us and don’t forget to buy my book/dvd/album” showcase.

You shouldn’t feel bad because your friend tried to force you to attend an act of worship you felt uneasy with… if anyone should feel bad it is them for attempting to pressurise you.

Quick Question for everybody, why do a serious amount Roman Catholics assume all Evangelicals are crazy Bible thumpers who just want to convert you to their mega church?
 
I don’t know what to do I had perviously posted before and asked if I should attend Harvest the Mega church event and the results only supported my personal perference of not to attend because I did not feel right or comforable going to Harvest with so many Protestants. However when I told my Best Friend that did not want to go she kept insisting that I should go and she sounded upset and mad at me for not going. Am I wrong for not going with her. Comments, concerns please.
You may have your problems with her, but you did the right thing in not going to the Protestant “Mega church event.” Pray for her.
 
Quick Question for everybody, why do a serious amount Roman Catholics assume all Evangelicals are crazy Bible thumpers who just want to convert you to their mega church?
Personal experience (at least in my case).
 
I would stay away from anything labeled “Harvest.” That indicates it is intended to gather converts.
Please forgive me, but I seriously thought until I read your post that it was called “Harvest” because it was related to the actual harvest or to harvest time. :o
 
Yea I think you are probably confusing the “altar call” whereby people and called to come forward to show their commitment to Christ rather as some sort of Anti Catholic thing which it simply isn’t.

On the other hand I am “protestant” (well you would call me one) but even I am uncomfortable with these sorts of events. They often seem to be “concerts” rather than services with Music and singing broken up by the odd prayer and a short “sermon”… often they are little more than a showcase for a particular church, a two hour long “come and look at us and don’t forget to buy my book/dvd/album” showcase.

You shouldn’t feel bad because your friend tried to force you to attend an act of worship you felt uneasy with… if anyone should feel bad it is them for attempting to pressurise you.

Quick Question for everybody, why do a serious amount Roman Catholics assume all Evangelicals are crazy Bible thumpers who just want to convert you to their mega church?
My husband and I were evangelical Protestant for the first 47 years of our lives before converting to Catholicism.

I grew up in an awesome evangelical church. My pastor’s wife was Evelyn Christenson (author of several beloved books about prayer). . John Ortberg grew up with me in my youth group. (For those who don’t know, he is one of the most influential young evangelical pastor/leader today.) Steven Douglass was a member of our church (current President of the organization formerly known as Campus Crusade for Christ, International). Among the regular speakers at our church were Josh McDowell, Erwin Lutzer, and Leighton Ford, all renowned leaders in the evangelical world.

Our church was Catholic-friendly. We didn’t have rapidly anti-Catholic sermons from the pulpit.

However, plenty of the Sunday school teachers and Bible study leaders taught that the Catholic Church was a cult, and that the only true Christians in the Catholic Church were those who had accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior.

My husband attended a large Assemblies of God church (5000 members). He was definitely taught that Catholics were not Christians.

Just last week his mom and dad ate dinner with us, and they were talking about Catholicism. My father-in-law is interested in many aspects of the Catholic faith, and so is my mother-in-law. But she said that there is no way that she could ever become Catholic, not after so many years of being taught that the Catholic Church is a work-based cult.

I can testify based on my own experience in one of the most influential evangelical churches in the U.S. that yes, many evangelicals have been taught that Catholics are not Christians. Evangelicals believe that ALL people, Catholics included, need to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior in order to be Christians and go to heaven.

No matter how much a Catholic professes to love Jesus and believe in Him, many evangelicals will NOT accept that they are “saved” unless they actually state, “I have accepted Jesus as my personal Savior.”

I think that you’re right in saying that most evangelicals these days are not interested in bringing converts into their churches, mainly because the institution of “church” is not clear in the minds of evangelicals. Many evangelicals have gotten caught up in the “anti-church” mindset (popularized in an extreme way by Harold Camping). We have quite a few friends and acquaintances in the evangelical world who no longer attend a “church,” but instead, have “church” at home with dad acting as the “pastor.”

Also, many of the megachurches are an attempt to end the organizational “church” mindset and help Christians to see themselves as part of the “universal Church of Jesus Christ,” which they see as a formless organization reaching across the centuries.

Finally, many of the non-denomination churches deny that they are “churches,” but claim to be “communities of believers.”

So to summarize the answer to your question about Bible-thumpers who want to convert you to their mega-church–yes, many of them are. They are not wild-eyed fanatics in their appearance, but many evangelicals are convinced that most Catholics are NOT Christians and will not go to heaven because they don’t have a “personal relationship with Jesus Christ” and they haven’t “asked Jesus into their heart to be their personal Savior.” They are not necessarily out to bring anyone into a specific “church.” They would be happy to see Catholics remain in the Catholic Church, as long as the Catholic has “accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior.”

That’s just the way things are, and Catholics would be wise to heed the advice of an ex-evangelical who grew up immersed in the evangelical mindset.
 
I don’t think your friend is being a bad friend, as stated in other responses. I have a lot of friends who are Protestants. They’ve invited me to events relating to their religions before. I don’t think they’re trying to convert me or anything. I think these are just such big events in their lives that they just want all their friends there, regardless of religion. I personally don’t usually go when I am invited to such gatherings, just because I’d feel a little out of place. I’m sure your best friend will get over your not going. Good luck!
 
After reading many of the responses from former evangelicals, perhaps you should just tell your friend not to worry about you, because you don’t really need to go. When she asks why, just tell her that it’s because you’ve already accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, if that’s what she’s worried about. In fact, you invite Him into your heart every time you go to receive Holy Communion, because it’s the real Body & Blood, Soul & Divinity of Jesus Christ. As such, not only are you united with Him spiritually (as their practice seems to imply), but you are actually united with Him physically every time you partake of His Body & Blood in the Eucharist, at His holy table, the Mass. 😉
 
Yea I think you are probably confusing the “altar call” whereby people and called to come forward to show their commitment to Christ rather as some sort of Anti Catholic thing which it simply isn’t.

On the other hand I am “protestant” (well you would call me one) but even I am uncomfortable with these sorts of events. They often seem to be “concerts” rather than services with Music and singing broken up by the odd prayer and a short “sermon”… often they are little more than a showcase for a particular church, a two hour long “come and look at us and don’t forget to buy my book/dvd/album” showcase.

You shouldn’t feel bad because your friend tried to force you to attend an act of worship you felt uneasy with… if anyone should feel bad it is them for attempting to pressurise you.

Quick Question for everybody, why do a serious amount Roman Catholics assume all Evangelicals are crazy Bible thumpers who just want to convert you to their mega church?
actually, anglicans are not 100% protestant. that is why you also feel uncomfortable at those events. anglicans are very close to the Catholic church and their sunday worship is liturgical and centers around the Eucharist also. one of the recent Popes actually called the Anglicans their “sister” church. of course, that was probably back in the 40’s or 50’s when the anglicans were more conservative than they are now.
 
After reading many of the responses from former evangelicals, perhaps you should just tell your friend not to worry about you, because you don’t really need to go. When she asks why, just tell her that it’s because you’ve already accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, if that’s what she’s worried about. In fact, you invite Him into your heart every time you go to receive Holy Communion, because it’s the real Body & Blood, Soul & Divinity of Jesus Christ. As such, not only are you united with Him spiritually (as their practice seems to imply), but you are actually united with Him physically every time you partake of His Body & Blood in the Eucharist, at His holy table, the Mass. 😉
I think this is a good response, but don’t tell the friend that you repeatedly ask Jesus into your heart (at each Holy Communion).

An evangelical who is well-trained will respond, “You don’t need to keep inviting Jesus in. You can trust that if you ask Him, He will come in and stay in your heart and never leave you. Let’s look at Revelation 3:20. Now would you like assurance that Jesus is really in your heart and that when you die, you will go to heaven?”
 
I have been to Harvest Crusade. I disagree. If you to to the website the purpose is clearly stated in the questions tab.

harvest.org/crusades/general-information/frequently-asked-questions.html

The purpose is to get people to come and respond to another gospel, not that there is another gospel.
It blows my mind that people automatically assume inviting someone means that you think they are not saved. This isn’t only for those who aren’t saved. I know a ton of people that went to it and no one was being pushed to go down there. There was no mention whats so ever that it was intended to convert Catholics or that Catholics are considered unsaved. I know a few Catholics who attended it and they did not have any problems with the message and they did not think that the alter call was geared towards them.

Just because the point of the crusade is to preach the Gospel and to get those who don’t know Christ to come to him does NOT mean that that equals getting Catholics to convert.
 
actually, anglicans are not 100% protestant. that is why you also feel uncomfortable at those events. anglicans are very close to the Catholic church and their sunday worship is liturgical and centers around the Eucharist also. one of the recent Popes actually called the Anglicans their “sister” church. of course, that was probably back in the 40’s or 50’s when the anglicans were more conservative than they are now.
Yes I know we are “Catholic and Reformed” rather than protestant but I am only Anglican for about a half a year now. Before that I was very very “Reformed” and yet still disagreed with the whole megachurch thing… sure it is nice to see one every so often but I want something more personal and less entertainment focused from my worship. Here in N.Ireland the Anglicans are still quite conservative, though in a Calvinist rather than Roman way.

Protestantism in general seems to be moving away from the megachurches and into the small groupings of the emergent church… but maybe that is just over here.
 
I think this is a good response, but don’t tell the friend that you repeatedly ask Jesus into your heart (at each Holy Communion).

An evangelical who is well-trained will respond, “You don’t need to keep inviting Jesus in. You can trust that if you ask Him, He will come in and stay in your heart and never leave you. Let’s look at Revelation 3:20. Now would you like assurance that Jesus is really in your heart and that when you die, you will go to heaven?”
Good point! Perhaps you should say that you invited Him into your heart when you received your First Holy Communion, and, you renew your ongoing personal relationship with Him, every time you receive Him, again. By doing that, you are constantly forming an ever tighter spiritual and physical bond with Him. 👍
 
I don’t know what to do I had perviously posted before and asked if I should attend Harvest the Mega church event and the results only supported my personal perference of not to attend because I did not feel right or comforable going to Harvest with so many Protestants. However when I told my Best Friend that did not want to go she kept insisting that I should go and she sounded upset and mad at me for not going. Am I wrong for not going with her. Comments, concerns please.
This is your “best friend”, right? Then take the mature approach and talk to her about why this is important to her instead of asking people on this board, who have no clue of your relationship, what you should do. Maybe this is something that is exciting to her that she would like to have you share with her…maybe she is not trying to convert you (as so many people allude to) and simply wants you to enjoy some great worship and praise, to the same Lord that both Catholics and Protestants believe in, along with her. Have a Christian attitude and show strength in your own faith and if she is a true friend she will respect you for taking that approach.

I tell you this because we are not Catholic (we attend a “megachurch”…whatever that is) but my daughter has multiple Catholic best friends and has attended their youth group, a retreat, church events, etc. and some of them have attended our church with her. They are mature kids and are strong in their faith. Neither tries to “convert” the other and enjoys the things their faiths share. They have a great deal of respect for her and her attitude about her faith and how she interacts with them. Good luck with your friend and God Bless!
 
If I invite friends to a religious event, and they don’t feel comfortable going, I don’t press them on it. I might ask what about it makes them uncomfortable, but only if they’re comfortable with such a discussion, and if not I’d just drop it. IMO, that’s just what courtesy requires.
 
Good point! Perhaps you should say that you invited Him into your heart when you received your First Holy Communion, and, you renew your ongoing personal relationship with Him, every time you receive Him, again. By doing that, you are constantly forming an ever tighter spiritual and physical bond with Him. 👍
Yes, I think this is a good answer.

Yes, evangelicals believe that Holy Communion is only a symbolic act. Communion is considered an “ordinance” of the church by evangelicals. (The other ordinance is baptism.) But for evangelicals, a communion service is good opportunity to renew their commitment to Jesus. So the evangelical should understand what the Catholic is saying and accept it as legitimate.
 
I don’t know what to do I had perviously posted before and asked if I should attend Harvest the Mega church event and the results only supported my personal perference of not to attend because I did not feel right or comforable going to Harvest with so many Protestants. However when I told my Best Friend that did not want to go she kept insisting that I should go and she sounded upset and mad at me for not going. Am I wrong for not going with her. Comments, concerns please.
One of the best Bibles I have seen for teens is the Prove It Bible. It has pages in it (similar to the New Answer Bible) that explain the faith and have back up scripture as well.

Amy Welborn has a whole series of Prove It! books and they really teach the faith. She taught high schoolers about Catholicism for many years.

When I was a new Catholic I read all of her books since I became involved in a Catholic book store right after my conversion. Great stuff.
 
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