Protestant Bible in a Catholic School!

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Huguenot:
What does “RCIA” mean ??? 😛
RCIA = Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults

It is the Classes we hold for potential converts and for Catholics that want to brush up on what we believe through our Catechism.

I am currently going thru this class for the 3rd time. The book we are using is “This is our Faith” by Michael Francis Pennock.
 
It was originally called CIA, Christian Initiation for Adults, but it seems some had a problem with the acronym so Rite was added. That is my understanding according to my Priest.
 
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Tonyagrace:
Okay this is not a personal attack, it is not that I think Protestant Bibles are so bad. I just feel they are overly Protestant. For example Martin Luther in his translation added to the famous verse in Romans the word “alone.” SO Luther’s translation reads; “we are justified by faith alone.” The Catholic Bible reads; “we are justified by faith.”
Apparently Luther missed the letter to James; “Faith with out works is dead.”
ANYWAY, I would never bench mark anything France does or did with thier Bibles. One can check Focus on the Family to find out about the decline in morality and Church attendance in France to find out more.
In an attempt to make the Bible more readable perhaps the Good News translation is not a word for word translation but a paraphrase. Don’t tell me my kids are not smart enough to handle the word “justified,” and instead need to read; “put right with God.” With the Good News Bible you loose the taste and the deeper meaning.
I would bench mark the Vatican, the Vatican has the authoriy and has been around for a very long time. That is why Catholics look for the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat!
Like I said before this is a Catholic School! I am sending my kids there to learn Catholicism, not protestantism.
Thank you to everyone who has replied thus far…on Friday morning, I am going to speak with the Principal. If you do agree that having a Protestant Bible in a Catholic school is wrong please keep me in your prayers for the meeting on 2/10/06 at 915 AM EST. Thank you and Blessings!
But since we don’t use Luther’s translation , what you say is OK for Germany but not for my country.
Maybe it’s true that you lose the taste of things with the Good News Bible, I don’t know since I’ve never read it ; I agree with you that “justified” is as easy to understand as “put right with God”, but I don’t think this has to do with being Catholic or Protestant ; maybe the translators are trying to use a more “modern” language, but then the message is “diluted”, I mean blurred ; we also have that type of “easier” translations in French and I don’t like them either …;
So I understand your point of view.
As far as “faith” and “works” is concerned, I’m not a Lutheran but I believe that we are justified by faith, but a real faith will manifest itself in works : I mean that the works will prove that I have a real faith, they will not save me, but if I say I have faith and there is no practical manifestation of it, then in fact I haven’t got the faith the Bible speaks about, it’s just a vague belief , and I don’t remember where, but somewhere in the New Testament it’s written that even devils believe in God and they shake with fear …
Real faith will lead the believer to obey God.

As for the decline of church attendance in my country unfortunately you are right, but I don’t see the connection between this and the use of Protestant Bibles : over 80% of my compatriots are Roman Catholics, about 10% Moslems and … 2% …Protestant ; even if we all stopped ( the Protestants ) going to church, nobody would even notice, ha ha ha !!! 😃

In France there are more agnotics and atheists than in your country according to what I’ve heard ; all the other members of my family belong to this category and I was an atheist too when I was younger …

I also wanted to joke with you a little bit, but it’s true that since there are good Catholic translations of the Bible, the fact that a Catholic school uses a Protestant one is a bit strange … :bible1:
 
Can you imagine the thoughts of some when someone said:

“The Catholic Church is offering classess on the CIA” :eek:

note for your foreigners:

CIA = Central Intelligence Agency :eek:
 
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JoeyWarren:
RCIA = Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults

It is the Classes we hold for potential converts and for Catholics that want to brush up on what we believe through our Catechism.

I am currently going thru this class for the 3rd time. The book we are using is “This is our Faith” by Michael Francis Pennock.
Thanks for your answer ; I thought it meant Roman Catholic …something, I couldn’t work it out …
When you say you are going through it for the 3rd time, do you mean as a student or as a teacher ?
 
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JoeyWarren:
Can you imagine the thoughts of some when someone said:

“The Catholic Church is offering classess on the CIA” :eek:
Even worse : “the Catholic Church is RECRUITING people for the CIA…” 😃
 
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Melanie01:
Why am I not surprised…I can get a protestant bible at the cathedral shop in town…
Well, here, in Protestant bookshops I can get Catholic Bibles with Imprimatur and everything … 👍
 
Tonyagrace,

I am with you on this issue, you have my prayers. This is not about bashing Protestant faiths, rather it is about holding fast to the faith we follow, which is the One True Apostolic faith that Christ gave the world, the Roman Catholic faith. I do not give one whit about who agrees with that or not, it is the faith Jesus gave the world and it should be upheld with complete fidelity.

Catholic schools should not contain even one material from Protestant sources–period.

If we do not have courage to stand strong in our faith, then what good is that faith, and why would anyone outside the Catholic Church think we receive anything of value (if we do not reflect reasons to be Catholic, then why would anyone want top become Catholic)?
 
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Huguenot:
As for the decline of church attendance in my country unfortunately you are right, but I don’t see the connection between this and the use of Protestant Bibles : over 80% of my compatriots are Roman Catholics, about 10% Moslems and … 2% …Protestant ; even if we all stopped ( the Protestants ) going to church, nobody would even notice, ha ha ha !!! 😃

In France there are more agnotics and atheists than in your country according to what I’ve heard ; all the other members of my family belong to this category and I was an atheist too when I was younger …
Huguenot,
Praise GOD that once you were an atheist and now you are following THE WAY (see the book of Acts), I pray for your conituned growth.
Statistics, Statistics, Statistics…Do you really mean to tell me 80% of your country attends Mass on a Regular basis? Or is this 80% people who were baptized and confirmend and don’t attend Mass regularly and just lable themselves Roman Catholic?

Thank you to TPJCatholic for your strong words and commitment to Catholic Excellence!
 
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buffalo:
A Catholic School should be using a Catholic Bible - one that has an Imprimatur.
I thought the “Imprimatur” went by the wayside? Is it still used as much as it was before VatII?
 
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Huguenot:
When you say you are going through it for the 3rd time, do you mean as a student or as a teacher ?
As a student.

My involvement here in these forums is to help me develope an RCIA program using the Bible as the Primary basis with the Catechism as the Secondary.

I expect to start teaching RCIA starting with the year 2008. I have to gather lots of information before I can start teaching this class.

My priest who is currently leading the class is not adept in Biblical basis for our doctrines. I have had to step in and clarify things from a biblical standpoint. That I step in with Biblical answers really blows the minds of the Protestants present during the class. :cool:
 
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Tonyagrace:
Huguenot,
Praise GOD that once you were an atheist and now you are following THE WAY (see the book of Acts), I pray for your conituned growth.
Statistics, Statistics, Statistics…Do you really mean to tell me 80% of your country attends Mass on a Regular basis? Or is this 80% people who were baptized and confirmend and don’t attend Mass regularly and just lable themselves Roman Catholic?

Thank you to TPJCatholic for your strong words and commitment to Catholic Excellence!
Thanks for encouraging me !!!
As far as statistics are concerned, it is the “official” number of Catholics in France, it doesn’t mean they all attend Mass regularly, in fact many don’t, but the same thing is also true for the Moslems or the Protestants or people who officially belong to other religious groups …
 
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JoeyWarren:
As a student.

My involvement here in these forums is to help me develope an RCIA program using the Bible as the Primary basis with the Catechism as the Secondary.

I expect to start teaching RCIA starting with the year 2008. I have gather lots of information before I can start teaching this class.

My priest who is currently leading the class is not adept in Biblical basis for our doctrines. I have had to step in and clarify things from a biblical standpoint.
But are you repeating the same class, or is it like at school : you move on ???
 
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StMarkEofE:
I thought the “Imprimatur” went by the wayside? Is it still used as much as it was before VatII?
Apparently it is still used …
For the Catholic Catechism too ; recently in France they have published a shorter version, with question and answers ; probably for Catholic adults it isn’t enough to learn more about their faith, but for non-Catholics it is helpful ( I’ve asked on a French Catholic Forum ) and it has “Imprimatur”. 😃
 
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Huguenot:
But are you repeating the same class, or is it like at school : you move on ???
It’s not really the same school, because each one I attended has been taught by a different person who has a different approach or a different spin or uses different resources along with the catechism. None of the parishes in a 50 mile radius has the class being taught by a Convert or from a “Biblical Basis” curriculum perspective.
 
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Huguenot:
But are you repeating the same class, or is it like at school : you move on ???
Each class is like the individual answer you get when you ask a question here.
 
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JoeyWarren:
As a student.

My involvement here in these forums is to help me develope an RCIA program using the Bible as the Primary basis with the Catechism as the Secondary.

I expect to start teaching RCIA starting with the year 2008. I have to gather lots of information before I can start teaching this class.

My priest who is currently leading the class is not adept in Biblical basis for our doctrines. I have had to step in and clarify things from a biblical standpoint. That I step in with Biblical answers really blows the minds of the Protestants present during the class. :cool:
Congrats and God Be with you! The Associate Pastor at the Parish I attend has given me a lot of food for thought about different Bible Translations. In his opinion the Ignatius Bible is the best translation. Catholic.com sells it (blue cover) for 19.95. I started my walk with the Lord with the KJV, moved to the NIV, to the NRSV and now to the RSV (Ignatius). I think it is good to have many on hand but currently the RSV I am using is hands down the best!
 
From the Modern Catholic Dictionary By Father John A. Hardon S.J. 1980

**Imprimatur- ** The latin term for “let it be printed,” which signifies the approval by a bishop of a reliegious work for publication. Authors are at liberty to obtain the imprimatur where they reside, or where the book is to be published, or where it is printed. Generally the imprimatur, along with the bishops name and date of approval is to be shown in the publication. According to a decree of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith (1975), “The Pastors of the Church have the duty and the right to be vigilant lest teh faith and morals of the faithful be harmed by its writings; and consequently even to demand that the publication of writings concerning the faith and morals should be submitted to the Church’s approval, and also to condemn books and writings that attack faith or morals.”

Nihil Obstat- Approved by the diocesan censor to publish a manyscript dealing with faith or morals. The date of the approval and the name of the person approving are normally printed in teh front of the book along with a bishop’s imprimatur.
 
tonyagrace,

The imprimatur and Nihil Obstat still have value, yet it oftens has more to do with the Bishop granting…
 
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