Protestant bible site includes D-R 1899 version

[po18guy]

Bible Gateway, a site that I use daily to locate verses, has recently been updated. I like this site due to the numerous versions they include, and for the search features that they have. The site now includes the Catholic Douay-Rheims 1899 American edition as a default version for keyword and chapter/verse searches. This is quite a blessing for Catholics, and is a kiss of peace from our separated brothers and sisters, as we can now search the Deuterocanon using their engine. The D-R was listed in their “available versions” before, but it was not nearly as search-enabled as it is now. Just an FYI, incase anyone wants to have (another) look at it.

 

[TimothyH]

Good news. Thanks for the info. PAX.

-Tim-

 

[Holly3278]

Well that is certainly interesting. Maybe they are either not anti-Catholic or not very anti-Catholic.

EDIT: Wait, I’ve been to that site before. The only problem with it is that you have to go into the settings to get the Douay Rheims to show on their list of Bible versions.

 

[InspiritCarol]

YAY!!!

I just went there, selected the D-R 1899 version, did a search for “Tobias” and got the book of Tobit in my results!!!

This is fantastic.

Thank you for sharing this good news with us.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

This is very good news! I suspect the two reasons are that they probably are more welcoming to Catholics, and that more and more Protestants wanting to do Scripture study need to consult the ‘extra books’ for whatever reason.

 

[Pythons]

Bible Gateway, a site that I use daily to locate verses, has recently been updated. I like this site due to the numerous versions they include, and for the search features that they have. The site now includes the Catholic Douay-Rheims 1899 American edition as a default version for keyword and chapter/verse searches. This is quite a blessing for Catholics, and is a kiss of peace from our separated brothers and sisters, as we can now search the Deuterocanon using their engine. The D-R was listed in their “available versions” before, but it was not nearly as search-enabled as it is now. Just an FYI, incase anyone wants to have (another) look at it.

I noticed this as well however the DR was previously able to be accessed at the Gateway…
…However you had to punch other versions and you didn’t get the “search feature”.
…I’m glad that they added it.

 

[bauerice]

I also use that site on a regular basis.

 

[po18guy]

Well that is certainly interesting. Maybe they are either not anti-Catholic or not very anti-Catholic.

EDIT: Wait, I’ve been to that site before. The only problem with it is that you have to go into the settings to get the Douay Rheims to show on their list of Bible versions.

True, but it was not enabled as a default version until just this month. Their comments on the D-R are slightly dismissive, as is expected, but at least it’s there.

What I like about their site is that you can choose a verse and compare translations amongst numerous versions in various languages.

 

[po18guy]

This is very good news! I suspect the two reasons are that they probably are more welcoming to Catholics, and that more and more Protestants wanting to do Scripture study need to consult the ‘extra books’ for whatever reason.

I have not yet checked the books in the “Luther Bibel 1545” yet, but according to member Patrick457, it originally had 81 books! What happened?

 

[patrick457]

I have not yet checked the books in the “Luther Bibel 1545” yet, but according to member Patrick457, it originally had 81 books! What happened?

Hey! Why’re you callin’ me?

The 1611 King James Version was the one that had 81 - or more correctly, 80 (what was I thinking? ) - books. Aside from the 66 books, it has an Apocrypha section which contains (original spelling):

1. ]I. Esdras*
   ]II. Esdras*
   ]Tobit*
   ]Ivdeth*
   ]The rest of the Chapters of the Booke of Esther, which are found neither in the Hebrew, nor in the Calde*
   ]The Wisedome of Solomon*
   ]The Wisdome of Iesus the sonne of Sirach, Or Ecclesiasticus*
   ]Baruch* (with The Epistle of Ieremie)
   ][And Nabuchodonosor.]*
   ]The historie of Susanna, set apart from the beginning of Daniel, because it is not in Hebrew, as neither the narration of †Bel and the Dragon* † Gr. Bels Dragon]
   ]The history of the destruction of †Bel and the Dragon † Gr. Bels Dragon], cut off from the end of Daniel**
   ]The prayer of Manasses King of Iuda, vvhen he vvas holden captiue in Babylon
   ]The first booke of the Maccabees*
   ]The second booke of the Maccabees*
   
   For the unbeliever, this pic should be proof enough:
   
   http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7884/kjvcanon1611.jpg
   
   The 1545 Luther Bible, meanwhile, had 75 books in total if you add the ‘Apocrypha’ section. He never includes 1 and 2 Esdras.
   
   1. ]Das Buch Judith* (Judith)
      ]Die Weisheit Salomonis* (Wisdom of Solomon / Ecclesiasticus)
      ]Das Buch Tobie* (Tobit)
      ]Das Buch Jesus Syrach* (Sirach)
      ]Der Prophet Baruch* (Baruch)
      ]Das erste Buch Maccabeorum* (1 Maccabees)
      ]Das ander Buch Maccabeorum* (2 Maccabees)
      ]Stücke in Esther* (Parts of Esther)
      ]Stücke in Daniel* (Parts of Daniel)
      
      Though - based on my searches - it’s actually quite rare for an online Luther Bible to have this section (the website I link to above is one of the exceptions I’ve seen). Sometimes they’d just cut it off wholesale.

 

[Mark_David]

Bible Gateway is okay, although DRV 1899 is the only Catholic bible they have (if I remember correctly). And yes, you have to specifically enable the deuterocanonical books. Did it not allow you to use it as a default bible before?

They’ve vastly improved the layout in the last month (it was pretty basic before), such as adding the parallel bible option (three at a time) and other conveniences. But I don’t have very much need for the site anymore.

One problem is that the DRV Psalms go out of wack with other parallel bibles because of Psalm 9 (Protestant bibles halve it into two psalms).

I think BibleStudyTools has a better range of bibles, and there’s also a parallel option (though only two at a time).

But, either way, you can find most (if not all) Catholic bibles free online: RSV-CE, NAB, NJB, CPDV, etc. Also the NRSV-AE, which contains the deuterocanon - not sure if the text itself differs much from the CE.

 

[InspiritCarol]

One problem is that the DRV Psalms go out of wack with other parallel bibles because of Psalm 9 (Protestant bibles halve it into two psalms).

Anyone have ANY idea why they did this? (patrick457?)

 

[patrick457]

Anyone have ANY idea why they did this? (patrick457?)

Let me clarify one thing first: this ain’t a problem with Protestant translations - you can also see it in, say, Jewish translations - and modern Catholic translations as well, as a matter of fact. It all goes back to the Greek and Hebrew source texts.

What is reckoned to be two separate psalms in the Masoretic Hebrew text (9 and 10, respectively) is grouped together into one psalm (9) in the Greek Septuagint, and Greek Psalm 113 is divided into two psalms in the Masoretic (114, 115); hence between these points the numeration of the Greek is up by one from the Hebrew. In addition, Greek Psalms 114 and 115 equal Hebrew Psalm 116:1-9 and 116:10-19, respectively; Masoretic Psalm 147:1-11 and 12-20 constitutes Septuagint Psalms 146 and 147.

Hebrew: Psalms 1–8 = Greek: Psalms 1–8
Hebrew: Psalms 9–10 = Greek: Psalm 9
Hebrew: Psalms 11–113 = Greek: Psalms 10–112
Hebrew: Psalms 114–115 = Greek: Psalm 113
Hebrew: Psalm 116 = Greek: Psalms 114-115
Hebrew: Psalms 117–146 = Greek: Psalms 116–145
Hebrew: Psalm 147 = Greek: Psalms 146–147
Hebrew: Psalms 148–150 = Greek: Psalms 148–150

Not only this. Most copies of the Septuagint and some copies of the Syriac Peshitta also have a Psalm 151 (absent of course, from the Masoretic) which is given the title: “This Psalm is ascribed to David and is outside the number. [When he slew Goliath in single combat.]” While thought for many years to be a Greek composition, a Hebrew source text - or to be more precise, texts - for this psalm is also found in the Great Psalms Scroll (11QPsa) discovered in Cave 11 at Qumran. This scroll contains two short Hebrew psalms (dubbed Psalm 151a and 151b, corresponding to LXX Psalm 151:1-5 and 6ff.) which scholars now agree served as the basis for Greek Psalm 151. The Syriac Peshitta, meanwhile, contains four more psalms (Psalms 152-155). Two of them, Psalms 154 and 155, are also attested in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

 

[patrick457]

One thing I’ve noticed about Bible Gateway’s DR 1899 is, that it chops off the Prayer of Azariah and the Hymnus Trium Puerorum section entirely out of Daniel 3! It does have chapters 13 and 14, though.

 

[InspiritCarol]

Thanks patrick457, You’re my hero!

 

[garysibio]

Bible Gateway, a site that I use daily to locate verses, has recently been updated. I like this site due to the numerous versions they include, and for the search features that they have. The site now includes the Catholic Douay-Rheims 1899 American edition as a default version for keyword and chapter/verse searches. This is quite a blessing for Catholics, and is a kiss of peace from our separated brothers and sisters, as we can now search the Deuterocanon using their engine. The D-R was listed in their “available versions” before, but it was not nearly as search-enabled as it is now. Just an FYI, incase anyone wants to have (another) look at it.

It’s also avaialable in eSword for your desktop/laptop and YouBible for your smartphone.

 

[NHInsider]

Biblos.com (not biblios) is my absolute go-to site for parallel verses (including a fabulous Greek/Hebrew interface for those of us who don’t read those languages). Bible Gateway is nice because of the way they let you set up preferences (including Font Size defaults!). Bible Study Tools is another good one.

If you really want to go deeper, though, and get Catholic commentary, don’t miss litteralchristianlibrary.wetpaint.com/ (Compiled and maintained by our own Copland 3 - Hi John!)