Protestant bishop blessing Catholics at IEC 2012

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LilyM said:
What’s wrong with including ONE ecumenical event in an otherwise Catholic-to-the-core Eucharistic Congress?
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To my perspective and based on only what EWTN has aired there has been very little that could be called Catholic.This is my observation and my opinion. My perspective is heavily influence by Trad thought. 🙂
 
superamazingman said:
Being informed by the past is not a bad thing at all.
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The key words being ‘informed by’ not ‘looking with rose-coloured glasses back towards’.

I know plenty of people who lived in the ‘good ol’ days’ and they weren’t by any means wonderfully good. The very fact that there was such a push for change should be enough to give any thinking person a clue that perhaps all was not quite as well as it seems …

And assuming that they were utterly wonderful - will being so very heavily ‘informed by’ the past really heal all our modern ills? To me it seems a bit like trying to glue back together an antique vase that was not only smashed to pieces but has a few missing, and expecting it to be as good as new.
 
LilyM said:
The key words being ‘informed by’ not ‘looking with rose-coloured glasses back towards’.

I know plenty of people who lived in the ‘good ol’ days’ and they weren’t by any means wonderfully good. The very fact that there was such a push for change should be enough to give any thinking person a clue that perhaps all was not quite as well as it seems …

And assuming that they were utterly wonderful - will being so very heavily ‘informed by’ the past really heal all our modern ills? To me it seems a bit like trying to glue back together an antique vase that was not only smashed to pieces but has a few missing, and expecting it to be as good as new.
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No one claims it was perfect, but there were most certainly things we can take away from looking back, and in particular, looking at the rubrics of the past, not necessarily the less-than-ideal implementation of them.
 
superamazingman said:
There’s only one true kind of ecumenism: recognizing that we are the true faith, and they are not. We are right, they are (at least in part) wrong. Hate to put it harshly, but it’s true.
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It is not true at all .

You have much to learn about ecumenism as taught by the Magisterium .

I apologize to any non-RCs who may read this sort of falsehood on forums such as this one . The negative comments are not representative of most in the Catholic Church .
 
LilyM said:
There’s no such thing as a ‘Catholic ecumenical prayer service’. Either the service is Catholic, in which case the Protestant clergyman should not have participated, or it was ecumenical, in which case he not only could but should have had a role in leading the prayers.

The mere fact that a majority of attendees of an ecumenical service are Catholic doesn’t matter. Nor would it matter if the majority were Anglican or Presbylutherbaptalist. Such a service is designed to showcase the fact that denominations, in spite of our differences, can unite in common worship of Christ. Such an occasion is not the place for ‘my faith is better than yours’ one-upmanship or divisiveness, which is why Communion is not offered.
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Stellar post, LilyM. We who purport to love and follow the Church need to have at least a measure of faith in Her.
 
arkwright said:
It is not true at all .

You have much to learn about ecumenism as taught by the Magisterium .

I apologize to any non-RCs who may read this sort of falsehood on forums such as this one . The negative comments are not representative of most in the Catholic Church .
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Really? Post some magisterial documents to the contrary.
 
arkwright said:
It is not true at all .

You have much to learn about ecumenism as taught by the Magisterium .

I apologize to any non-RCs who may read this sort of falsehood on forums such as this one . The negative comments are not representative of most in the Catholic Church .
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So are you saying that the Catholic Church is not the only true church?
 
Kevin812 said:
Post 21 is not in conformity to Catholic doctrine.
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We’re not allowed to say blessings over our food any more? Or are those prayers of blessing just sham and ineffective (ie the food remains unblessed by God in spite of our prayers to the contrary)?
 
Irish_Hare said:
The Church of Ireland (Anglican) Bishop Michael Jackson ‘blessed’ holy water and Catholic pilgrims at Monday’s proceedings of the International Eucharistic Congress in Dublin, Ireland…

There’s a story here…but I don’t think it mentions the blessing and the holy water.
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I read the story in the link, and then did a search for other stories. I could not find anything about the Anglican Bishop blessing holy water. How do you know this happened?

I attended ecumenical services at my former parish several times. It has been held annually on Palm Sunday for the past four decades. The local Catholic and Protestant churches gather, with music, readings and a homily involving the various churches. It was very good and the place was packed. There was no communion at this service, but I recall that there was a blessing that involved the priests and ministers and all the people, irrespective of their denomination. Sometimes one of our bishops “presided”.

I don’t know if the Pope approved what occurred in Dublin, but he did say a prayer for the success of the congress. And it would seem strange to me that with all the hierarchy of the Irish Catholic Church there, along with others from around the world, that they would allow something that was improper to occur. If they don’t know what is right and proper, who does?
 
arkwright said:
I apologize to any non-RCs who may read this sort of falsehood on forums such as this one . The negative comments are not representative of most in the Catholic Church .
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Thank you, but there’s truly no need. The Catholic Church has been wise and kind to us Lutherans. The Catholic Church’s actions are a reminder to us of God’s grace.

For myself, I find joy and hope in seeing Christians together facing God. “For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.”
 
LilyM said:
We’re not allowed to say blessings over our food any more? Or are those prayers of blessing just sham and ineffective (ie the food remains unblessed by God in spite of our prayers to the contrary)?
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Please re-read the (your) post in question… and please see my post that believes this is off topic to the thread and suggests that you might start a separate thread.
 
Kevin812 said:
Please re-read the (your) post in question… and please see my post that believes this is off topic to the thread and suggests that you might start a separate thread.
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You’re saying only priests can bless. I’m saying we all can and many of us do. No, we don’t do it in the same way a priest does, of course not, but we can and do it nonetheless.

As I’ve said, if this were not so we wouldn’t be allowed to say that prayer over our meals, we wouldn’t be able to say ‘God bless you’ to people, or anything similar.
 
arkwright said:
It is not true at all .

You have much to learn about ecumenism as taught by the Magisterium .

I apologize to any non-RCs who may read this sort of falsehood on forums such as this one . The negative comments are not representative of most in the Catholic Church .
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The ultimate point of ecumenism is to convert non-Catholics.
 
YoungTradCath said:
The ultimate point of ecumenism is to convert non-Catholics.
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And sensible people, from St Paul onward, realized that you don’t get results by beating them over the head with your truth.

Let’s start with how he preached to the Athenians. Did he stand in the marketplace and say ‘I am right, you are wrong, your priests are no priests, your gods are demons. Tear down your temples and altars and cease your blasphemous sacrifices’?

No. He learned about their faith, which implies gentle inquiry rather than belligerent grandstanding, even went into their temples and observed who, what and how they worshipped.

Then he starts something like ‘men of Athens, I can see that you fear God and are devout’ Praising what he can, being silent about what he can’t. Building on what he shares with them - ‘I see that you worship the Unknown God. That is my God, the one true God.’

As I said, no real hint of condemnation or that they are less-than. He does say they do not know what they worship, but is not harsh or condemning of their imperfect knowledge.
 
LilyM said:
And sensible people, from St Paul onward, realized that you don’t get results by beating them over the head with your truth.

Let’s start with how he preached to the Athenians. Did he stand in the marketplace and say ‘I am right, you are wrong, your priests are no priests, your gods are demons. Tear down your temples and altars and cease your blasphemous sacrifices’?

No. He learned about their faith, which implies gentle inquiry rather than belligerent grandstanding, even went into their temples and observed who, what and how they worshipped.

Then he starts something like ‘men of Athens, I can see that you fear God and are devout’ Praising what he can, being silent about what he can’t. Building on what he shares with them - ‘I see that you worship the Unknown God. That is my God, the one true God.’

As I said, no real hint of condemnation or that they are less-than. He does say they do not know what they worship, but is not harsh or condemning of their imperfect knowledge.
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After reading through these posts I don’t see where anyone said anything about beating anyone over the head with the truth but that truth should be told and true ecumenism is bringing people into the faith of the Catholic church.

As far as Paul goes, Acts 17, where that story is, it says, he *debated daily *in the synogogue, and the market place with whoever happened to be there. It says he became exasperated at what he saw and they called him a scavenger. After preaching to them about the true God he explained to them how all men need to repent because of how God’s judgement. Some began to scoff and leave.

There is nothing wrong at all with witnessing to non-Catholics the truth found in the Catholic church. Yes, we must love and we have common ground to start on but with all the love we can, true ecumenism is to bring people into the Catholic church.
 
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