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Starwarsfan2
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The Scriptures Are incapable of error , they are infallible
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rcwitness
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No way man!!! INERRANT!!!
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alwayswill
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Because of what Scripture is: it is infallible
I do not know of ANY SS practicing Christian who agree 100% on everything their pastors say about verses of Scripture.
Did you know that SS practicing Christians do not consider their pastors infallible?
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Is you your view that an infallible authority guarantees unity of beliefs among the fatihful followers? **
Is you your view that misunderstanding of an infallible authority diminishes that authority?
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pablope
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Why don’t you give an example, a concrete one, where scripture has acted infallibly?
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alwayswill
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rcwitness
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He believes Scripture is inerrant. It’s all good.
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alwayswill
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that’s different: pablobe made this point
So I asked
Is it possible for a God breathed writing to be in error?
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rcwitness
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Hmmm… don’t know where you’re going with that. But I’ll leave it to Pablope to carry on.
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alwayswill
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I statedHmmm… don’t know where you’re going with that. But I’ll leave it to Pablope to carry on.
“Scripture is inerrant and infallible 100% of the time…”
and Pablope corrected me:
so I am asking Pablope if he (she) thinks God breathed writings are capable of error?
You can answer if you like:
Is it possible for a God breathed writing to be in error?
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rcwitness
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I believe the writings which the Church Infallibly declared are Sacred Scripture are God breathed and free from errors in faith and morals.
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commenter
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2 people might interpret the Bible in 2 different contradictory ways. In terms of the action, human interpretation and human response, one might be erroneous in terms of the other.
Inerrant means what it is in itself. The Bible is free from all error. Infallible implies an action verb (for instance the pope *teaching *with infallibility (protection from error). The Bible itself takes no action.
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alwayswill
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Got it: I’ll never claim humans are infallible
Note I have checked 3 different online dictionaries: infallible is an adjective or noun; not an action verb
and Paplope agrees with the.merriam-webster defintion
“not capable of being wrong or making mistakes : not fallible”
so I am asking a very simple question
Do Catholics believe it is possible for God breathed writings to contain error?
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alwayswill
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apart form faith and morals
Are Scriptures free form errors on other topics?
for example: Could the Creator be wrong about His Creation in the very writings He breathed out?
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rcwitness
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No.
Inspiration and Truth of Sacred Scripture
105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."69
"For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself."70
106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more."71
107 The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures."72
108 Still, the Christian faith is not a “religion of the book”. Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, “not a written and mute word, but incarnate and living”.73*If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, "open (our) minds to understand the Scriptures."74
103 For this reason, the Church has always venerated the Scriptures as she venerates the Lord’s Body. She never ceases to present to the faithful the bread of life, taken from the one table of God’s Word and Christ’s Body.66
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alwayswill
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thank you for answering
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benhur
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Hi aw,
Well it can go two ways. For sure all of writ is God breathed. And for sure an apostle is sent forth to speak, write with the authority of God/,Jesus . The best I can say is that God breathed into Paul to write ,“I speak , not the Lord” on a specific issue. Paul does end up saying, '…after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God." vs 40. Why does Paul refrain from saying “thus sayeth the Lord” which he has every right to ? Is that equal to saying, " I think also I have the Spirit of God and here is my judgement" ?
To me it is a nice touch on a such a personal issue of whether to marry or not, or not to let go or not a wife who wishes to depart due to your faith. It seems less ‘top down’, and more of “let us reason together”. Do we not all have the Spirit of God in us, with which to also judge by and equally concur and or follow ?
But thank you for making sure none of writ is minimized. Good question.
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benhur
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HI rc,
Just finished replying to aw and now I read your reply where you say pretty much the same thing, but in less but still precise words. I like the “inspired to do so” part. I just heard this explained on the radio the other day.
Blessings
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benhur
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yes ,generally infallible is a step up from inerrant. I can get 100% score on my test .I have been inerrant, but not infallible for i just as surly could have gotten a 98 , or maybe I will next time. Infallibility would suggest I get 100 % all the time, because i just can’t be in error.
So, as you say, I would think scripture is both inerrant and infallible in truth giving and trustworthiness.
Blessings
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pablope
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Scripture is “inerrant” in its message of salvation. Depends on what you mean by “error”.
From the previous posts, I assume you have a better understanding of what it means to be infallible?
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pablope
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But ben…so how does scripture convey or give the truth?
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