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GKC
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I heartily approve. Hence my 30,000+ books (it’s a serious affliction).
But is there something particular you are thinking of researching?
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But is there something particular you are thinking of researching?
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Elizium23
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There is certainly something to the notion that the Eastern Churches are one, however the earthly schisms and divisions mince them up currently. So the “two lungs” of the Church could be described as West and East, East comprising Eastern Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, et. al. But the term definitely does not exclude Eastern Catholicism. It is first and foremost this component which make the East the “other lung” of the Catholic Church. Obviously.
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chesterlab
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GKC, I research anything and everything.
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Graceful_Lamb
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That baptisms are valid as long as the intent is there and the person is baptized in the Trinity. That the person performing the baptism does not have to be a member of the clergy.
Also, want to research Dutch Touch.
ETA: I need to show my baptismal certificate to the RCC because my husband and I are trying to get married in the church. I am getting a copy of my certificate. So, even if I wasn’t baptized in a church, it would still be valid?
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chesterlab
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The term the other lung of the church refers to the Eastern and ORiental orthodox churches, not the Eastern Rite churches since they are already in full communion with Rome and recognize the Pope as the head of the church. I don’t understand why this is so difficult for you to comprehend?
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Elizium23
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I don’t understand why you think the definition excludes Eastern Catholicism. It most definitely includes them.
Tom Perna: blog
The Russian Prospero
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chesterlab
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It doesn’t exclude them because the Eastern Rite church is already in full communion with Rome. How difficult can it be to comprehend that fact?
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Elizium23
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You just contradicted yourself bigtime.
One lung is West. The other lung is East. West includes the Latin Church, the Roman Rite, Ambrosian, Dominican, etc. only. The Eastern Churches all belong with the second lung, all the East.
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chesterlab
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Whatever. I guess you know everything. I thought being on a catholic blog, I wouldn’t encounter the usual know it aloe. Clearly I am wrong. I wS never one for blogs anyway and will go back to reading history , church history and doctrine. That way I don’t have to hear the oh so intelligent cond a ending me. Ah, the peace and quiet. Just God and me. Have a good day
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GKC
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Not so you would notice. Much of the less useful stuff is in storage. Frustrates me no end. I’ll likely never add the addition to the house that I’ve been planning for years.
Still buy the books, though. Been collecting them for 60 years or so.
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GKC
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I wish I had that sort of time. I’m limited to stuff I’m interested in. Focus of the book collecting.
That’s a broad spectrum, to be sure.
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GKC
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It is the Catholic (and I don’t limit that term to those in communion with Rome) understanding of what constitutes a valid sacrament, and how each is confected, that I am speaking of. No, the location of the baptism doesn’t affect the validity. Anyone intending to do what the Church does, using water, in the name of the Trinity, on a human, unbaptized subject, who also intends to receive it, if of age of reason.
I applaud the idea of looking into stuff, and wish you luck.
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chesterlab
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GKC, I am in a rather bad financial situation right now and about the only thing I can do is read books or research on on my computer. Anything else takes $. So I might as well better my mind and I’m interested in everything particularly church history, doctrine and history of any kind. God bless you
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Elezium
I apologize for the previous incoherent post I sent you. I should know better than to type on an iPhone, and mine is not working properly and types what it likes…
Suffice it to say that I don’t do well trying to have discussions with know-it-Alls. I know what I’ve read on the subject of the eastern church. I grew up in it and the Protestant church.i am an avid reader of catholic books and on line articles and the bible, and I know what I heard pope francis say out of his own mouth about the Eastern Orthodox Church because the question from the audience member, pertained directly to the Orthodox Church
. Even after providing proof and citations, you still condescend to me and dismiss me as a fool. I thought conversing on a catholic blog where I would expect to find thomist and Aristotelian logic, I was greatly disappointed. I truly thought that under Fr. Z, CA would be more civil than the blogs (not necessarily Protestant ones either) where I used to try to talk to the evangelicals who are rabid catholic bashers, but it appears with you and some others on catholic answers that some things aware not really that much different. I really need (name removed by moderator)ut from other Catholics, and I am a fairly well educated person, but it appeaclearly you hdont comrs that I may not find it on this blog. I’m quite sick of the gotcha moment, because it is sophmoric, rather than conducting a civilized discourse of ideas. So I will have to rethink this blogging business after all. I’m not sure which is worse, to be told I’m going to hell and that the Catholic Church and all its members are the whore of Babylon, that the RC church is a cult, or just to be made to feel stupid by my fellow Catholics who don’t agree with my opinions… Bad enough I lost all of my Protestant and evangelical friends when I decided to convert. One friendship had lasted 25 years. . I used to spend hours after RCIA class crying to my priest about the sacrifice I was experiencing and we came to the conclusion that becoming catholic is, indeed, a sacrifice, and one I was willing to make.But to get disrespectful treatment from my catholic brother and sister is more than I can bear. So probably better to stay away from the blogs, even though many are very interesting. Good day to you sir.
I apologize for the previous incoherent post I sent you. I should know better than to type on an iPhone, and mine is not working properly and types what it likes…
Suffice it to say that I don’t do well trying to have discussions with know-it-Alls. I know what I’ve read on the subject of the eastern church. I grew up in it and the Protestant church.i am an avid reader of catholic books and on line articles and the bible, and I know what I heard pope francis say out of his own mouth about the Eastern Orthodox Church because the question from the audience member, pertained directly to the Orthodox Church
. Even after providing proof and citations, you still condescend to me and dismiss me as a fool. I thought conversing on a catholic blog where I would expect to find thomist and Aristotelian logic, I was greatly disappointed. I truly thought that under Fr. Z, CA would be more civil than the blogs (not necessarily Protestant ones either) where I used to try to talk to the evangelicals who are rabid catholic bashers, but it appears with you and some others on catholic answers that some things aware not really that much different. I really need (name removed by moderator)ut from other Catholics, and I am a fairly well educated person, but it appeaclearly you hdont comrs that I may not find it on this blog. I’m quite sick of the gotcha moment, because it is sophmoric, rather than conducting a civilized discourse of ideas. So I will have to rethink this blogging business after all. I’m not sure which is worse, to be told I’m going to hell and that the Catholic Church and all its members are the whore of Babylon, that the RC church is a cult, or just to be made to feel stupid by my fellow Catholics who don’t agree with my opinions… Bad enough I lost all of my Protestant and evangelical friends when I decided to convert. One friendship had lasted 25 years. . I used to spend hours after RCIA class crying to my priest about the sacrifice I was experiencing and we came to the conclusion that becoming catholic is, indeed, a sacrifice, and one I was willing to make.But to get disrespectful treatment from my catholic brother and sister is more than I can bear. So probably better to stay away from the blogs, even though many are very interesting. Good day to you sir.
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GKC
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I share your enthusiasm, for some portions of Church history, and many portions of history in general. I salute a fellow seeker of knowledge. And may God bless you.
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GKC:
Thank you! I love to read the history of anything. Give me the history of the shoe and I will be happy. I usually only read non-fiction as well, which others think is dull, but I enjoy it. I will however, read the classic novels. Church history, world history, the history of language-it’s all fascinating to me. I always want to keep trying to better myself, although at my age, I’m not sure its working anymore
Thank you! I love to read the history of anything. Give me the history of the shoe and I will be happy. I usually only read non-fiction as well, which others think is dull, but I enjoy it. I will however, read the classic novels. Church history, world history, the history of language-it’s all fascinating to me. I always want to keep trying to better myself, although at my age, I’m not sure its working anymore
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GKC
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I have a a wide range of fiction genera specialties that I collect. And a range of authors, fiction and non-fiction, and historical subjects, non-fiction, that I concentrate on.GKC:
Thank you! I love to read the history of anything. Give me the history of the shoe and I will be happy. I usually only read non-fiction as well, which others think is dull, but I enjoy it. I will however, read the classic novels. Church history, world history, the history of language-it’s all fascinating to me. I always want to keep trying to better myself, although at my age, I’m not sure its working anymore
Started 60 years ago, age 10. Bought one more, yesterday. It all adds up.
Good luck to you in your endeavors.
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chesterlab
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Thank you! and you as well!
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