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pablope
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According to whose interpretation the Berean story proves sola scriptura?
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pablope
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The ordination of Paul at Antioch, the laying of hands.
Elders here meant the bishop-priests selected by the founder of the Church at Antioch.
You know who is the apostle who founded the Church at Antioch, correct?
Before Paul and Barnabas went on their first missionary journey, he submits himself to Church authority and are ordained by laying of hands. Then they are sent out to their mission. Paul, by the laying of hands, first becomes an Apostle, he gains apostolic authority, thereby, the Churches he founds have apostolic succession.
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pablope
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I think you are mistaken. Paul does not preach to the Gentiles, or goes on his first missionary journey only after the event of Acts 13 where he is laid hands on.
Acts 9……Paul’s coversion is sometime after the death of Stephen (Acts 9).
Between 1 to 3 yrs after conversion, he goes to the Desert of Arabia…(Gal 1:17)….for prayer and reflection.
Then he goes to Damascus (Gal 1:17) for a period of three years….where he starts debating in the synagogues.
He flees the City and goes to Jerusalem to meet with Peter……Acts 9:20-25)…and (Gal 1:18).
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In_His_Grace
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Jim Blackburn, a cradle Catholic born and raised in Illinois, that’s where I was born, raised and currently live, 60 miles SW of Chicago. I’ll check out the article.
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In_His_Grace
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I read the article you posted and my response is probably the standard Protestant response. I don’t have a problem with traditions, we all have them whether we realize it or not right? Where in the New Testament do Jesus or the apostles condone traditions or doctrines that don’t conform to Scripture? It seems to me they do just the opposite. The Catholic Church holds to traditions, doctrines and dogmas etc. that do not conform to Scripture.
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Michael68
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I agree. Protestants do not have a valid consecration. Most think its just a symbol to their own detrimentDespite what the above posters may tell you and what they may falsely believe, Our Lord Jesus is NOT present in Protestant “communion” in any way whatsoever. This is because they reject the Truth of transubstantiation from bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ and do NOT have the valid apostolic succession necessary in order for the consecration to take place.
Only in the Holy Catholic Church can transubstantiation truly occur and only in the Holy Catholic Church is the Holy Eucharist truly Jesus.
May God bless you all abundantly and forever and guide you to the Light of His Holy Catholic Church!
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Michael68
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I disagree. Jesus Christ said do this in memory of me. The Eucharist is not a ritual to be taken lightly
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Michael68
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Paul wrote to hold fast to the teaching of the apostles, whether by letter or word of mouth (tradition)
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zz912
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How do you know Revelation is the word of God?
And where in the Bible does it say public revelation of God ended with the death of the last Apostle?
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zz912
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Correction, it doesn’t conform to your personal interpretation of Scripture.
The Catholic Church is the one who told you what was and was not Scripture. She is the one with authority to interpret Scripture. And the Church determined what was Scripture by comparing them to what the Church already taught. The Church didn’t get her teachings from Scripture.
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zz912
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Jesus thought it vastly important. In fact He said our salvation depends on it. So I would give it the utmost attention.
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Graceful_Lamb
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Truth. We are supposed to love our neighbors as ourselves, which is more important than denominational tradiitions.
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zz912
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So you’ll be joining the Catholic Church soon then, since your denominational traditions are not important and do not affect your salvation.
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Graceful_Lamb
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I was talking about ALL denominations, including Catholicism. All of the man made rules (ones not in the Bible) need not be followed.
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KathleenGee
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‘Man made rules’ are essentially that coming out of non denominational American Protestants.
You can even add on ‘man made rituals’, too for that matter.
SS Peter and Paul said we are to follow their teachings and the traditions they have given us.
You cannot say either that the instructions to build the T emple, the vestments of the priests, the form of the ancient daily sacrifice was man made…same with Christ…He came to fulfill the Temple, the worship, the priesthood…He the living Cornerstone and life of the Church through Word and Sacrament.
You cannot have the sacraments without the consecrated priesthood.
You can even add on ‘man made rituals’, too for that matter.
SS Peter and Paul said we are to follow their teachings and the traditions they have given us.
You cannot say either that the instructions to build the T emple, the vestments of the priests, the form of the ancient daily sacrifice was man made…same with Christ…He came to fulfill the Temple, the worship, the priesthood…He the living Cornerstone and life of the Church through Word and Sacrament.
You cannot have the sacraments without the consecrated priesthood.
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steve_b
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I don’t think you read the article carefully.
IHG:
I say this in all charity, to correct your perceptions
First it needs to be said
- The Catholic Church is Divinely instituted by Jesus Matthew 16:18. He is the one who said I will build my Church" His Church is NOT the invention of man nor is it manmade nor the tradition of men. The Catholic Church is here “in writing” from the beginning. #34 (lots of internal links there, please open them for context).
- The Church of Rome is Peter’s see. And Peter is over the entire Church worldwide, not just parts of it, ALL of it. It was there before Paul wrote Romans (his letter to the Church of Rome). The Catholic Church wrote the NT scriptures. You heard me right. Everyone who wrote NT scripture, was already in the Church they were writing to and for. The Catholic Church then, collected and canonized her books, and gave the 1st bible to us. It is the same Church that’s here today, and as Our Lord said, not even the gates of hell will prevail against it.
- It is the same Church where pope Francis is at the helm, 267th successor to St Peter’s see in Rome.
- Protestantism is a 100% man made tradition. It’s not divinely instituted. It’s based on dissent and division, started in the 16th century by dividing from the only Church Our Lord established on Peter and gave all His promises to.
- In full disclosure, I have to tell you that, scripture condemns that.
- Where you ask? From the Greek NT διχοστασίας* dichostasia** = divide / dissent / cause factions, sedition, sects, Note that the same Greek word διχοστασίας dichostasia * appears in the following scriptures.
- Romans 16:17-20 , [17] Now I beseech you, brethren, to mark them who make dissensions διχοστασίας* dichostasia * and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned, and avoid them. [18] For they that are such, serve not Christ our Lord, but their own belly; and by pleasing speeches and good words, seduce the hearts of the innocent. [19] For your obedience is published in every place. I rejoice therefore in you. But I would have you to be wise in good, and simple in evil. [20] And the God of peace crush Satan under your feet speedily.
- Galatians 5:19-21 . [19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury, [20] Idolatry, witchcrafts, enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, διχοστασίας* dichostasia * sects, [21] Envies, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like. Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God
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- there is no expiration date to that warning.
- iow, That warning is as valid when Paul taught it, as it is today, and forever.
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In_His_Grace
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Kudos to you Graceful Lamb.
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IGotQuestions
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Very informative responses.
Thanks.
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