Protestant Communion

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allischalmers said:
Now I do not think that was a very nice thing to say!
As far as non Catholic Christian confessing sins, when Jesus died the veil in the Holy of Holys in the temple was torn from top to bottom eliminating the need for a preist and opening a way for us to go straght to God with all your requests.
Also when I sin and we all do, the Holy Spirit instantly convicts my spirit so that I can confess that sin right then and do not have to carry the burden of sin.

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Jesus did not do away with the prieshood he established with Moses and Aaron. He fired the current priests and hired new ones.

Man has always had access to God directly.
 
richard1 said:
I hope that you believe in the real presence as I do. The words during the Catholic mass are very significant. When the priest presents the BODY of Christ before the comunion he really says the words that should orient our toughts “This is the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world…” The reason why we take this BODY is there solemnly given. All the Catholic priests in the entire world say the same words. This Jesus purifies, cleases. And the great passage of the “Temple Cleansing” is about this moment… I do not know why we look for another explanation.
God Bless!
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Of course I do! The Baptist are the ones that don’t truely believe.
 
sandmountainsli said:
No I mean an Altar.
You may call it a “prayer bench”, we call it an Altar.
It is beside the communion table, it is where one kneels to pray and where you pray with others who request for you to.
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I don’t remember anything but a pulpit in any of the protestant churches I have been in.

Kendy
 
It is certainly true that Baptists, when compared to other churches, have a very low sacramentology. But then, they don’t believe much about it beyond that it is a “fellowship meal” and a memorial.

But it is also true that some priests in the RCC do not celebrate mass as solemnly as they ought and a very many lay-Catholics receive it in mortal sin and/or without the “recollection” and holy disposition the Sacrament deserves.

The Baptists are mistaken in their thinking about the sacrament, but Catholics (clergy and lay) who do not treat it properly haven’t even got that excuse, so it could be said that the greater offense is that of those Catholics who, by their actions, abuse it knowingly.
 
Kendy said:
He must have not sent the same letter to Calvin that he sent to Luther since those two could not stand each other. 😉
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Luther knew very little about Calvin but expressed mild approval of his Institutes. Calvin, while disagreeing with Luther about the Sacraments and the relation of Church to State, held Luther in very high regard.

One wonders where people get these notions.

It’s true that after the Reformation Lutherans and Calvinists dealt almost more harshly with one another than with the “Papists” they both despised, but it just isn’t true of the Reformers themselves.

Zwingli was the one Luther really disliked.
 
Steadfast said:
It’s true that after the Reformation Lutherans and Calvinists dealt almost more harshly with one another than with the “Papists” they both despised, but it just isn’t true of the Reformers themselves.
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Why would they have dealt so harshly with one another, if they were all preaching the same Gospel? But the Calvinist and the Lutheran churches are not very similar to each other, even today - I doubt they had very much in common back then, either.
 
jmcrae said:
Why would they have dealt so harshly with one another, if they were all preaching the same Gospel? But the Calvinist and the Lutheran churches are not very similar to each other, even today - I doubt they had very much in common back then, either.
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Frankly, a lot of it was political. In many cases with the principle of cuis regio, eius religio (literally, “whose the region, his the religion”, meaning that the choice of the prince determined the religion of his subjects), there was quite a lot of jockeying for position in the generations immediately following the Reformation.

Of course, it’s not as though the Catholics weren’t doing the same; the French changed sides a few times during the thirty years war, alternately supporting the Protestants and the Holy Roman Emperor whom they despised.

Anyhow:

There isn’t really a “Calvinist Church” Calvinism is a system of theology embraced by members and churches of a number of different denominations.

For example, low church anglicanism can be calvinist and bear a fair resemblance to Lutheranism. But then Calvinist Baptists would not.

They agree on Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura (though they tend to diverge a bit on the edges) and Sola Gratia. They disagree on other things.

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Kendy said:
I don’t remember anything but a pulpit in any of the protestant churches I have been in.

Kendy
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That is shocking:confused:
I have never been in a church whether it be Methodist, Baptist or Pentecostal without a Altar/Prayer Bench:confused:
Are you sure it was a Unitarian Church or something like that you were in rather than a normal Protestant Church?
WP
 
sandmountainsli said:
That is shocking:confused:
I have never been in a church whether it be Methodist, Baptist or Pentecostal without a Altar/Prayer Bench:confused:
Are you sure it was a Unitarian Church or something like that you were in rather than a normal Protestant Church?
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I attended a normal Protestant church for years before I became Catholic - we had a “flying pulpit” above the congregation, with the communion table directly below it, but no prayer bench - they wouldn’t know what you were talking about, I don’t think.

I never saw a prayer bench (prie dieu) in my whole life, before I became Catholic - we have them in our perpetual adoration chapel (which also has an altar, a tabernacle, and a monstrance 😉 ).
 
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There isn’t really a “Calvinist Church” Calvinism is a system of theology embraced by members and churches of a number of different denominations.
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I was under the impression that the Dutch Reformed Church is supposed to be the direct descendant of the early Calvinists - is that not so?

I know that Calvinism came to the English speaking world through John Knox, who added his own ideas to it when creating the Church of Scotland, so I wouldn’t expect to see pure Calvinism in English, but I was reasonably certain that the Dutch still had it.
 
jmcrae said:
I attended a normal Protestant church for years before I became Catholic - we had a “flying pulpit” above the congregation, with the communion table directly below it, but no prayer bench - they wouldn’t know what you were talking about, I don’t think.

I never saw a prayer bench (prie dieu) in my whole life, before I became Catholic - we have them in our perpetual adoration chapel (which also has an altar, a tabernacle, and a monstrance 😉 ).
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Maybe it is because I live in the South in the Bible Belt?
All churches which I have ever attended have a wooden prayer bench on the floor in front of the pulpit and normally beside the communion table which we call “The Altar”. It is where you go for deep prayer or when you would like to have the minister or other to pray with/for you. You “Leave your sins” at the Altar, so to speak. I suppose that is why it is called an Altar because you sacrifice your sins there.
WP
 
sandmountainsli said:
That is shocking:confused:
I have never been in a church whether it be Methodist, Baptist or Pentecostal without a Altar/Prayer Bench:confused:
Are you sure it was a Unitarian Church or something like that you were in rather than a normal Protestant Church?
WP
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I went to a Southern Baptist church for years and then went to a Vineyard Church. In between I went to a lot of evangelical churches for short periods of time, and never was there anything but a pulpit. When my pastor would call people to the altar, he just meant come to the steps.

Kendy
 
Kendy said:
I went to a Southern Baptist church for years and then went to a Vineyard Church. In between I went to a lot of evangelical churches for short periods of time, and never was there anything but a pulpit. When my pastor would call people to the altar, he just meant come to the steps.

Kendy
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Sorry but I find that odd.
I can’t imagine a church without an altar.
When they have Altar Call we go to the Altar/Bench rather than steps.
WP
 
Don’t suppose anyone would be kind enough to tell me what a prayer bench is? I’m imagining all kinds of bizarre and uncomfy furniture over here.

Thanks
 
It is alot like the place where your knees go on the Catholic Prayer Bench. Longer, a little taller and you put your knees on the floor and place your elbows and head on the cushioned area.
That is what our Altar looks like.
Hasn’t anyone else here saw one?
WP
 
sandmountainsli said:
That is shocking:confused:
I have never been in a church whether it be Methodist, Baptist or Pentecostal without a Altar/Prayer Bench:confused:
Are you sure it was a Unitarian Church or something like that you were in rather than a normal Protestant Church?
WP
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I don’t know where you are located since you don’t even indicate which state or even region, but I have to assume you are in the deep south.

My grandmother used to take me to her Church of the Nazarene congregation, they did have squatting (not kneeling, they squatted), benches they did call them “altars” even tho they weren’t, as a matter of fact they had no altars at all, they never to my knowledge had comunion, they had a pulpit right in the center-front where the REAL altar belongs. They and a holiness, pentecostal church of God were the only churches that I ever heard of or saw that had the squatting benches. I know exactly what you are talking about Gramma’s church had them. These squatting benches were way too low to the floor to be able to really kneel at them, they kind of squatted and laid across them.

These people would sqaut at thier benches and pray for very long times, I remember they got very emotional there, they had boxes of kleenexes around their benches for when they broke into tears.

The Methodists, a lot of Catholics, Episcopalians, and Lutherans had proper communion rails, where people kneel, really kneel upright to recieve Holy Communion. These communion rails are not like the sqautting benches at all, they are too tall and too narrow to sprawl around and over them. A lot of Methodists I have seen their churches have little rails with holes drilled into them to put their little shot glasses into.

Oh and yes, the squatting benches were wide enough and made so that people could squat around them, and lay on them from both sides. Proper communion rails are only open for people to kneel at one side, the other side is for the Priest or communion ministers to go down to give Holy Communion.
 
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