Protestant Communion

[Catherine_S]

I NEVER knew this before! What a scam! Scandalous.

Did you know this…
Wine is alive and needs just the most minute interchange with the atmosphere or death comes very soon. It was a priest, Dom Perignon, who invented the cork. It would allow just the right interaction between the air and the atmosphere so that the wine could live and breath and grow and age.
Most important, in terms of theology, the bottle meant that wine had at last become a great social leveler. It meant that a normal workingman could order a bottle of the greatest wines available. He did not have to live on goatskin wines nor did he have to buy a whole barrel or flagon.
Perhaps the most popular discovery that good Dom Perignon made was the result of his genius and some accident. When he should have been upstairs in the chapel at prayer with his brothers, he was in the wine celler playing with his new discoveries, the bottle and the cork. He knew that a still wine, or a wine that had completed fermentation, would continue to age and improve in the bottle. He removed the cork from a few and added a little more yeast and sugar and corked the bottles up again. And then, typical of the life of the Church, he watched.
Tradition has it that on the day he tasted the now carbonated wine he ran to the top of the stairs yelling**…“Brothers, come quickly,”** he cried** " I think I am drinking the stars"!**
Dom Perignon had invented champagne!!!
You see, there are a lot of wonderful things about Church history that we do not know! The caring of wine by the Church is one of those wonderful things. I do not exxpect the Church’s love affair with wine to cease, ever.** Wine is the gift of the Creator, a symbol of joy, and that by which we are brought to the Table of our Lord.**

NO GRAPE JUICE FOR WE CATHOLICS :tsktsk: ** !!!**
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[lak611]

Did you know this…
Wine is alive and needs just the most minute interchange with the atmosphere or death comes very soon. It was a priest, Dom Perignon, who invented the cork. It would allow just the right interaction between the air and the atmosphere so that the wine could live and breath and grow and age.
Most important, in terms of theology, the bottle meant that wine had at last become a great social leveler. It meant that a normal workingman could order a bottle of the greatest wines available. He did not have to live on goatskin wines nor did he have to buy a whole barrel or flagon.
Perhaps the most popular discovery that good Dom Perignon made was the result of his genius and some accident. When he should have been upstairs in the chapel at prayer with his brothers, he was in the wine celler playing with his new discoveries, the bottle and the cork. He knew that a still wine, or a wine that had completed fermentation, would continue to age and improve in the bottle. He removed the cork from a few and added a little more yeast and sugar and corked the bottles up again. And then, typical of the life of the Church, he watched.
Tradition has it that on the day he tasted the now carbonated wine he ran to the top of the stairs yelling**…“Brothers, come quickly,”** he cried** " I think I am drinking the stars"!**
Dom Perignon had invented champagne!!!
You see, there are a lot of wonderful things about Church history that we do not know! The caring of wine by the Church is one of those wonderful things. I do not exxpect the Church’s love affair with wine to cease, ever.** Wine is the gift of the Creator, a symbol of joy, and that by which we are brought to the Table of our Lord.**

NO GRAPE JUICE FOR WE CATHOLICS :tsktsk: ** !!!**
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“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.” (Ecclesiastes 9:7, KJV).

 

[Catherine_S]

“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.” (Ecclesiastes 9:7, KJV).

No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments. 1 Timothy 5:23
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[Damascus]

No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments. 1 Timothy 5:23
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I had to have a glass of wine to settle my stomach after reading about Welch, and have put Welch products on my “banned items” so that my household shall never contribute to this company ever or any product they push.

As for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord!

I will also buy more wine now. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[valient_Lucy]

On this subject, my mom, who is Protestant, recently started attending a Protestant Church that has communion almost every Sunday. She has been recieving Protestant communion every week, and she is enjoying it. She used to think that once a week would make it simply routine, but now she thinks that recieving once a week is a good idea.
Even when I was a Protestant, I felt that communion should take place more than once a month. I first started feeling like that when I read an evangelical Christian’s description of a weekend that he spent with Muslims and Jews, as part of some kind of interfaith meeting. As a part of the meeting, they all had to attend the religious services of the other groups. The Christian noticed that the elements of Muslim and Jewish services could be found in the Christian worship (prayer, reading of Scripture). The only thing that set the Christians apart was the practice of communion. At that moment, I decided that communion MUST be pretty important!

 

[Catherine_S]

On this subject, my mom, who is Protestant, recently started attending a Protestant Church that has communion almost every Sunday. She has been recieving Protestant communion every week, and she is enjoying it. She used to think that once a week would make it simply routine, but now she thinks that recieving once a week is a good idea.
Even when I was a Protestant, I felt that communion should take place more than once a month. I first started feeling like that when I read an evangelical Christian’s description of a weekend that he spent with Muslims and Jews, as part of some kind of interfaith meeting. As a part of the meeting, they all had to attend the religious services of the other groups. The Christian noticed that the elements of Muslim and Jewish services could be found in the Christian worship (prayer, reading of Scripture). The only thing that set the Christians apart was the practice of communion. At that moment, I decided that communion MUST be pretty important!

Luke 24: 30-35…they recongnized Him in the breaking of the bread.
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[Catherine_S]

I had to have a glass of wine to settle my stomach after reading about Welch, and have put Welch products on my “banned items” so that my household shall never contribute to this company ever or any product they push.

As for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord!

I will also buy more wine now. Thanks for the heads up!

I have been learning to cook with wine :bounce: . Good white or red house wines (very economical).
It is amazing what a 1/4 or 1/2 cup of wine can do for the simpliest of dishes. There are many recipes on the internet.
Yum Yum!

Wine is sure proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!
Benjamin Franklin

Good wine is a necessity of life!
Thomas Jefferson
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**I am off now…**do not want to get into hot water for disturbing this thread! Got off topic indeed! Please forgive me
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[jon_crj200]

Hi everybody! I don’t post very often on here, but I thought I would pipe in. That poster that talked about the “churchachrist” was pretty much right on the money with what he was talking about. I have to go to one every Sunday morning. It is an instrument using church. They hold the communion in very high regard, but see it as only symbolic.

Every morning before the church service, some women take the plates downstairs to the kitchen and fill up little cups with Welch’s grape juice, and put little “oyster crackers” in the plates and take it upstairs and sit it on a table at the front of the “auditorium”. We sing a couple songs, sing a “communion hymn” then the elders pass the crackers and grape juice around the congregation. The Christians (who have been “immersed”)can partake. I no longer “partake of the emblems” as I believe in the Real Presence in the Catholic Church. Most of the people in the cofC that I attend now know of my religious preferences because my step-father has taken it upon himself to tell them all.

That is pretty much the way it goes. If you are not there in the morning, you can take communion at the evening service, but I have never heard of them telling you to stand. If you cannot make it at all, the elders can bring it to your house if you request it.

 

[Catherine_S]

Hi everybody! I don’t post very often on here, but I thought I would pipe in. That poster that talked about the “churchachrist” was pretty much right on the money with what he was talking about. I have to go to one every Sunday morning. It is an instrument using church. They hold the communion in very high regard, but see it as only symbolic.

Every morning before the church service, some women take the plates downstairs to the kitchen and fill up little cups with Welch’s grape juice, and put little “oyster crackers” in the plates and take it upstairs and sit it on a table at the front of the “auditorium”. We sing a couple songs, sing a “communion hymn” then the elders pass the crackers and grape juice around the congregation. The Christians (who have been “immersed”)can partake. I no longer “partake of the emblems” as I believe in the Real Presence in the Catholic Church. Most of the people in the cofC that I attend now know of my religious preferences because my step-father has taken it upon himself to tell them all.

That is pretty much the way it goes. If you are not there in the morning, you can take communion at the evening service, but I have never heard of them telling you to stand. If you cannot make it at all, the elders can bring it to your house if you request it.

God Bless You Jon.
Hold this truth in your heart and one day,** when you are older,** you may decide to prepare yourself to receive Holy Eucharist in the Catholic Church.
God will always guide you.
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[JoeyWarren]

Originally Posted by ALLFORHIM
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

He was telling them “Because you are of flesh and blood, you do not understand what I am saying, once you have the holy spirit you will understand what I am saying.”

 

[JoeyWarren]

I have a question for prostestants.

If it is only symbolic, then why do you bother with communion?

for that matter, why do you still circumcize you male children when it is only a Judaic requirement?

Why do you baptize at all if it is only symbolic?

Why bother with acts of symbolism?

 

[JoeyWarren]

Originally Posted by ALLFORHIM
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

Since Jesus was a Rabbi/Teacher and if he was only being symbolic or figurative, then why did not Jesus stop those that left in John 6:66 and tell them he was being only symbolic and/or figurative when the disciples took the literal meaning?

 

[Damascus]

Since Jesus was a Rabbi/Teacher and if he was only being symbolic or figurative, then why did not Jesus stop those that left in John 6:66 and tell them he was being only symbolic and/or figurative when the disciples took the literal meaning?

John 6:63- (recap here)-

Jesus says that we cannot accept this mystery if we think of it in too human a way, IOW, by just seking to indulge our senses (sounds selfish huh?) or having too earthbound view of things. Only someone who LISTENS to his WORDS and receives them as God’s revelation, which is “spirit and life” is in a position to accept them.

THis is from the Nav. edition commentary with some stuff I tossed in for emphasis and shock value.

Will be back with John 6:66 as its the climax of it all most definately.

 

[Damascus]

John 6:66 (Nav. commentary with my own remarks added as well for emphasis as well as the mere fact I am typing this out so I can do so!)

The promise of teh Eucharist, which CAUSED ARGUMENTS (v.52) amoung Christ’s hearers at Capernaum and SCANDALIZED some of them (v.61) led MANY people to GIVE UP FOLLOWING HIM

(to be continued… Lets think about that one first!)

 

[FromTheCrossroa]

Hi,
Maybe I misunderstood you then. When you said that we have to participate in the sacrements(Ill assume of the CC) we cannot be forgiven of our sins. We are forgiven of our sins if we believe in what Jesus did on the cross not by following sacrements.

The nicene creed speficically states " We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins." It does not affirm your position. I agree with the other person who warned against stating this as a belief.

 

[O.S.Luke]

I have a question for prostestants.

If it is only symbolic, then why do you bother with communion?

for that matter, why do you still circumcize you male children when it is only a Judaic requirement?

Why do you baptize at all if it is only symbolic?

Why bother with acts of symbolism?

You are making the mistake of lumping all Protestants together. Many Protestants see the sacraments as more than symbols - but as sign/actions. And in the case of the Eucharist, it is the Real Presence of Christ.

Your post doesn’t make a lot of sense, in this light.

O+

 

[MariaG]

I grew up protestant and but I never really realized how little significance the Eucharist could be to them until now. My sister went to a Baptist church last week and she said that the communion was pre-packaged. The bread and juice were packaged together in individual servings and she had to just take the plastic off of the top of it to get the wafer and then there was another layer of plastic under it to get the juice. She didn’t even have to get out of her seat. The ushers delivered it to everyone. She was suprised and hesitated. The usher asked if she was saved. She said yes and took one and that was the end of it. I was shocked. What is the significance when the Sacrament is reduced to a pre-packaged snack?

Oladare

Before coming back to the Catholic Church, I was struck by this at a community wide service. Communion was passed out in prepackaged containers passed around in buckets that had beer advertising on it.

It struck me as completely wrong. The attitude of those passing the buckets, everything. Even if it was only done as a remembrance, it was wrong to be done in such a frivolous manner.

 

[Sixtus]

Bobbysud, I am sorry your experience were negative ones. What you described was unnacceptable.

I think you should write a letter to your Bishop. That community needs a good boot up the backside.

“unscriptural” titles like Pastor and Reverend.

I must take issue with the above statement. The titles were in use long before the bible came into existence. For example, Bishop was used in the early church as early as within 60-years of Christ’s ascention, when the apostle John was still alive.

The letter of Pope St Clement [which in my view should have been included in the New Testament was sent to the church of Corinth for dismissing its ‘bishop’ and following their OWN designs. Clement [as head of the Synod] assuming a pastoral, judicial and heiarchical authority 'instructed the church of Corinth to reinstate their bishop immediately or be excommunicated. They did and the rest is history as they say.

But it also illustrates that ‘bishop’ is NOT unbiblical in that it was in use before the bible. Therefore, it may be considered canonical. The canon [as far as I am aware] is the highest authority in sacred scripture

 

[AlegreFe]

He was telling them “Because you are of flesh and blood, you do not understand what I am saying, once you have the holy spirit you will understand what I am saying.”

My cradle Catholic, now Protestant brother does not see this verse that way. This is what I told him and he does not believe that. I also told him that the Holy Spirit makes it possible for the bread to become the Body & Blood of Jesus Christ. I also explained to him John 6:66. I told him that he sounds just like those disciples that walked away from Jesus. My brother called me a cannibal.

Can I ask you Joey, what did it take (besides the obvious, God’s grace) for you to believe that verse for what it really is?

I guess the only thing that would make him believe is God’s Grace. I am praying for my brother. Please pray for him?

 

[East_Anglican]

To us Anglican’s it is the body and blood of Christ. We do not believe in transubstantiatiuon but we believe it is. If Jesus said it is, then that’s good enough for us. But then us Anglican’s call ourselves reformed catholics rather than protestants.

Kevin