Protestant hymns in the Catholic missal

[AngelRose81]

We sang “Near the Cross” at Mass Sunday, which is one that we always sang in my old UMC church. Personally I love that song. Also, I did notice that when I was flipping through the Missal and I did notice that Amazing Grace was in there too…

 

[amightyfortress]

We sing Roman Catholic hymns in the Lutheran church since you guys are our Mothership. We even sang the classic Orbis Factor liturgy until the 1700’s in many places for our liturgy here in the United States. We share many things in common, but we were the ones who invented the chorale and four-part singing in churches in Germany and Scandinavia. It is fun to share between the two churches. We have been known as the singing church since Luther was around.

These are some Catholic hymns we sing in the Lutheran church.

Lo, How a Rose E’er Blooming
Holy God, We Praise Thy Name
Faith of our Fathers
Now the Green Blade Rises
Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence
You Satisfy the Hungry Heart
On Eagle’s Wings
Mass of Creation- Haugen
parts of the Orbis Factor and De Angelis liturgy Masses
Richard Proulx’s liturgy
I Bind Unto Myself
The King of Love My Shepherd Is

There are several I noticed in a Missal and Adoremus Hymnal
that are Lutheran that you are using too. Anything Bach is Lutheran.

These too…are Lutheran…
Ah, Holy Jesus
O Sacred Head, Now Wounded
A Mighty Fortress
This is the Feast of Victory for our God by Richard Hillert
Wake Awake, For Night is Flying
Now We Thank We All Our God

There are a few Lutheran ones which I think you would like that are theologically sound in both churches.

Built on a Rock cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/u/builton.htm

And the Swedish Lutheran classic-
Children of the Heavenly Father - cyberhymnal.org/htm/c/o/cofthehf.htm

Day By Day - cyberhymnal.org/htm/d/a/daybyday.htm

Rise,Shine,You People!

Earth and All Stars - Lutharan Book of Worship #558

Great hymns to learn and share from both churches. We share the same words to the liturgy and creeds.

 

[kangnamdragon]

When I converted to Catholicism 11 years ago, I was surprised how many protestant hymns were in the Catholic music missal. Just wondering: is the Catholic musical heritage so bereft of good hymns that we have to borrow from our seperated brethren (and I was REALLY surprised to see Martin Luther’s 'A Mighty Fortress is Our God included).

I dunno… maybe going back to the TLM and Gregorian Chant isn’t such a bad idea…

The problem was the lack of hymns in English as some people mistakenly believe that all hymns have to be in English because Latin has been banned. Once Vatican II hit, there were no songs to sing.

 

[LLML]

Those interested in this thread or in Lutheran and Catholic hymns may enjoy this site - lists hymns common to both. Compiled by a Lutheran pastor and includes his commentary on some of the hymns.

Regarding a comment by a previous poster that A Mighty Fortress is Our God formerly had anti-Catholic lyrics, I would point out that even the Lutherans have taken these out and I think most people do not know this - therefore, in modern usage, this hymn is not a representation of anti-Catholic thinking. The purpose of language or usage of words or hymns is to convey a mutually agreed upon concept, and if next to no one except people who research this subject, knows about the old lyrics, I would suggest that this meaning of the hymn is obsolete, and that there is now no reason to omit it.

Just as many Lutherans nowadays are really not educated as to what the true differences are between our 2 churches - this is a good thing, because they are now closer to us than they think.

 

[LLML]

Forgot the link:
sword-in-hat.blogspot.com/2008/05/ecumenical-and-catholic-core-of-hymns.html

 

[LLML]

Here’s some of the content:

In attempting to get a handle on all of this data, I compiled a comprehensive list of these broadly “ecumenical” and catholic hymns (for which I am using quotation marks and a lower-case “c” on purpose). From this master list of some 300-400 hymns, I’ve removed all those that are not found in the Lutheran Service Book. Notably, that reduces the list by more than half, so that fewer than 150 hymns remain. Similarly noteworthy is the number of definitive Lutheran hymns that are nowhere to be found in many (or any) Protestant and Roman Catholic hymnals. But what I’m dealing with here are those hymns that we evidently shared with those other confessions, at least within our published books.

An Ecumenical and Catholic Core of Hymns in LSB

Alphabetical Listing

A mighty fortress is our God (LSB 656)
Abide with me, fast falls the eventide (LSB 878)
Alas! And did my Savior bleed (LSB 437)
All glory, laud, and honor (LSB 442)
All hail the pow’r of Jesus’ name (LSB 549)
All my heart again rejoices (LSB 360)
All people that on earth do dwell (LSB 791)
All praise to Thee, my God, this night (LSB 883)
Alleluia! Sing to Jesus (LSB 821)
Amazing grace, how sweet the sound (LSB 744)
Angels from the realms of glory (LSB 367)
Angels we have heard on high (LSB 368)
As with gladness men of old (LSB 397)
At the Lamb’s high feast we sing (LSB 633)
At the name of Jesus (LSB 512)
Awake, my soul, and with the sun (LSB 868)
Away in a manger (LSB 364/365)

Blessed Jesus, at Your Word (LSB 904)
Blest be the tie that binds (LSB 649)
Break forth, O beauteous heav’nly light (LSB 378)
Brightest and best of the stars of the morning (LSB 400)

Christ is made the sure foundation (LSB 909)
Christ the Lord is ris’n today (LSB 469)
Come down, O Love divine (LSB 501)
Come, Holy Ghost, Creator blest (LSB 498/499)
Come, let us join our cheerful songs (LSB 812)
Come, my soul, with ev’ry care (LSB 779)
Come, Thou almighty King (LSB 905)
Come, Thou Fount of ev’ry blessing (LSB 686)
Come, Thou long-expected Jesus (LSB 338)
Come, ye thankful people, come (LSB 892)
Come, you faithful, raise the strain (LSB 487)
Creator of the stars of night (LSB 351)
Crown Him with many crowns (LSB 525)

[Edited]

 

[Mike_Searson]

However, country and western music like your second selection would be considered by professional church musicians to have no aesthetic value except possibly a negative one and therefore no place in worship, not that this criterion keeps out a lot these days.

I believe there is a shortage of what you refer to as “professional church musicians”.

Prot hymns aside (in the USMC we often sang Lord of the Dance and *Swing Low Sweet Chariot *at Mass), two Masses I attended (NO types) play what sounds more like soft rock songs that rarely mention Jesus. They also feature 11 year-olds crashing on drums and cymbols during the “Amen” and if that’s not bad enough…some of the “musicians” look more like homeless people than church-goers.

I try not to judge, but is it that hard to look decent when you show up for Mass these days?

 

[Kitty317]

Hello,
I am actually looking for a good hymn that would be in the Catholic missal that both protestants and catholics would know for my daughter’s wedding. We wanted to start the ceremony out by singing something that is known by all to get them involved in the ceremony (not that is will work but it is a try.) Anyone have suggestions?

 

[pnewton]

Hello,
I am actually looking for a good hymn that would be in the Catholic missal that both protestants and catholics would know for my daughter’s wedding. We wanted to start the ceremony out by singing something that is known by all to get them involved in the ceremony (not that is will work but it is a try.) Anyone have suggestions?

All Creatures of our God and King may have a verse that would work.

A couple of Eucharistic songs that both would know would be* Alleluia, Sing to Jesus* and* Let Us Break Bread Together.*

Two more that come to mind are* How Great Thou Art and Just a Closer Walk With Thee.*

I think your best bet would be something older. There is more of a cross over in the hymns of the past.

 

[Don9of11]

As a fellow poster pointed out, there are many good “traditional” Catholic hymns…it just seems too many music directors ignore them.

Holy God We Praise Thy Name;
O Sanctissima (available in English too);
Salve Regina (same as above);
Holy, Holy, Holy

I could go on but you get the point. When was the last time any of us heard any of these songs we grew up with? Who stole the songs we sang for generations?

I think I will add to this list. There are many beautiful catholic hymns as well as non-catholic hymns that we should be singing. After all if these songs were good enough for our parents, or grand-parents how come they’re not good enough for us. I have been signing in St.Mary’s Choir for over 30 years and these are just a few hymns I can rattle off.

O Cora Moris
Ave Verum
I Need Thee Gracious Jesus
Veni Jesu
Mother of Mercy
Mother Dear O Pray For Me
Mother Dearest, Mother Fairest
Beautiful Angel
Dear Guardian of Mary
Sweet Name Which Makes the Dying Live
Jesus Teach My How To Pray
Panis Angelicus
O Salutaris Hostia
O Jesus Christ Remember
Sweet Sacrament Divine
O Sacrum Convivium
Hide Thou Me
The Old Rugged Cross
Did You Think To Pray
How Great Thou Art
What a Friend We Have In Jesus
His Eye Is On The Sparrow
An Evening Prayer
In The Garden
O Master Let Me Walk With Thee

I could go on and on…You might ask why don’t they sign these anymore? Because they make you feel something inside, they’re prayful and stir the soul. Some of the songs that we sing in church today are nothing more than words strung to chords, in my opinion.

 

[Newbie2]

This thread got me thinking…

What’s the difference between using theologically sound “Protestant” hymns and using theologically sound Protestant biblical scholarship?

 

[weepixie71]

i think it is important to keep our traditional catholic songs so our children of tomorrow know them. our mass itself (word for word) is just like most protestant church services. the only difference is a consecrated priest to do transubstantiation. it seems at the very least we should keep our Catholic songs.