Protestant ideas

[SAVINGRACE]

Saving Grace,

Do I want you to say “Satan influenced Luther”? Not really, but if you look at your last sentence above, you eventually did.

Since when is the Truth Ugly? I have said nothing wrong, you in your last post were very “ungraceful” by being judgmental by saying some Catholics are not going to heaven, Lets let God be in charge of that. Or judging Catholics which you are one, is this “Spiritually edifying” for you to do so, to prove a point?

Jesus Christ, still has the power to bring good out of the Protestant faith and has, and through the Grace of God, they are saved through/by the Catholic Church. Amen

Lets not be afraid to say the truth, now this is “Spiritually Edifying” to me to say the truth, now does this answer your question re: “Spiritually Edifying”?

I know I have left some question for you to answer but there is no need to answer them enough is enough.

Judging Catholics is “unattractive”

God Bless,

Ufam Tobie

It’s the truth some Catholics are not going to Heaven, just as it is the truth that some Protestants are going to Heaven however much it pains you to hear that. It’s a fact. I never stated specific names so not sure what is ‘ungraceful’ about that.

Yes, it appears you THINK it is spiritually edifying for you to repeatedly remind others that Satan established their church. Believe me it isn’t and that is the ugliness I was referring to.

You have convinced Zero Lutherans of the truth of the CC with your approach of telling them Satan established their church. That is not correcting or teaching from a place of love. If anything you have antagonised them. I don’t blame them, I would run a mile also.

 

[JonNC]

It’s the truth some Catholics are not going to Heaven, just as it is the truth that some Protestants are going to Heaven however much it pains you to hear that. It’s a fact. I never stated specific names so not sure what is ‘ungraceful’ about that.

Yes, it appears you THINK it is spiritually edifying for you to repeatedly remind others that Satan established their church. Believe me it isn’t and that is the ugliness I was referring to.

You have convinced Zero Lutherans of the truth of the CC with your approach of telling them Satan established their church. That is not correcting or teaching from a place of love. If anything you have antagonised them. I don’t blame them, I would run a mile also.

Thank you SavingGrace. Ufam and I have been around a long time. We are never harsh to each other (I actually respect Ufam’s level of faith). But you are correct: Ufam regularly has invited me to “come home”, without realizing that this kind of apologetics actually pushes people away. If I were to "swim the Tiber, I would give thanks to God for the "swimming lessons " I received from Luther’s Small Catechism, and the Lutheran Church, and honestly, despite Ufam’s apologetics.
Jon

 

[cath4alltime]

If you desire a real relationship with Christ and you do not believe in the real presence, I would suggest starting by re-reading John 6.

Amen!!

 

[MaryT777]

Thank you SavingGrace. Ufam and I have been around a long time. We are never harsh to each other (I actually respect Ufam’s level of faith). But you are correct: Ufam regularly has invited me to “come home”, without realizing that this kind of apologetics actually pushes people away. If I were to "swim the Tiber, I would give thanks to God for the "swimming lessons " I received from Luther’s Small Catechism, and the Lutheran Church, and honestly, despite Ufam’s apologetics.
Jon

Let’s try to stick to the topic and not the poster.
If a poster makes you angry don’t read them; simple as that.

To let one person dictate your desire to join or not join another Faith from a post on a message board would be very very unwise.

Mary.

 

[MaryT777]

Saving Grace:

Ever think all Catholics and Lutherans could be in heaven that have been as faithful as they could given their sinful nature?

Put Christ at the center in the Sacraments and Word.

We really don’t know who “some” might be…that’s up to God.

It might include , gasp, you!

Peace in Christ…
Mary.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

Saving Grace:

Ever think all Catholics and Lutherans could be in heaven that have been as faithful as they could given their sinful nature?

Put Christ at the center in the Sacraments and Word.

We really don’t know who “some” might be…that’s up to God.

It might include , gasp, you!

Peace in Christ…
Mary.

Yes, that would be utopia if every single Catholic and Lutheran went to Heaven. Sadly we know that is not going to be the case.

It may include me. I may very well end up in Hell. I don’t know, I try to live a faithful Catholic life but I am not delusional enough to think that just because Christ started my Church then somehow God views me as a better or more worthy Christian than a Lutheran.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

Thank you SavingGrace. Ufam and I have been around a long time. We are never harsh to each other (I actually respect Ufam’s level of faith). But you are correct: Ufam regularly has invited me to “come home”, without realizing that this kind of apologetics actually pushes people away. If I were to "swim the Tiber, I would give thanks to God for the "swimming lessons " I received from Luther’s Small Catechism, and the Lutheran Church, and honestly, despite Ufam’s apologetics.
Jon

You’re welcome. I used to have my own issues communicating with Protestants. I found that repeatedly telling my Protestant mates that their church was not started by Christ cut them off from me. Immediately the shutters would come down. Sure they would continue dialogue with me but I could see their hearts and minds were closed and they would only communicate with me if they absolutely had to. I wasn’t convincing anyone, they didn’t want anything to do with me, I was not welcome because everytime we broached the subject of faith, I would get ugly. I was telling another poster in a different thread that I noticed this trend in my Confession Diary and realised I was not correcting/teaching from a place of love and with the help of my Priest decided to do something about my approach and have re-connected and made many new Protestant friends. Now we communicate with respect and I pray for their conversion privately and they approach me with questions about the Catholic faith.

 

[MaryT777]

You’re welcome. I used to have my own issues communicating with Protestants. I found that repeatedly telling my Protestant mates that their church was not started by Christ cut them off from me. Immediately the shutters would come down. Sure they would continue dialogue with me but I could see their hearts and minds were closed and they would only communicate with me if they absolutely had to. I wasn’t convincing anyone, they didn’t want anything to do with me, I was not welcome because everytime we broached the subject of faith, I would get ugly. I was telling another poster in a different thread that I noticed this trend in my Confession Diary and realised I was not correcting/teaching from a place of love and with the help of my Priest decided to do something about my approach and have re-connected and made many new Protestant friends. Now we communicate with respect and I pray for their conversion privately and they approach me with questions about the Catholic faith.

I enjoyed your post. It lets us know where you are coming from.
Maybe some of us are more direct,
My friend is a LCMS Pastor (now retired due to MS sadly which is public knowledge)
and I met many Lutherans. I really enjoyed their deep down conviction that at the Center is Christ. Great preaching, albeit different that the Catholic Church. (Law/Gospel approach)
I read a great book someone gave me, If I recall the name it was “Why I am a Lutheran” by Preus. Maybe Jon or Ben knows if that’s correct. That was a great book I have given to Catholics as well.

We had a few “knock down drag out” debates I might say but we both believed
strongly in the Churches we professed our Faith in. (the LCMS Pastor and I were equally stubborn LOL )

Some people just have a different posting style and in my opinion you never know
who might be an effective apologist’ maybe bodly stating the truth as you profess it does convert some people; therefore it’s good to respect the different posting styles I believe.
Ignore that what bothers you is best I still think

That said I was in debate and don’t take anything personally; which others may do.
Also, the Lutheran Pastor said kindly to me
The Lutheran door is always open if you have questions.
That was it; never did he tell me to convert I will say.

Thus I don’t think anyone here is rude on this forum the few that have been have been long gone.
FWIW

 

[urcatholic]

It’s the truth some Catholics are not going to Heaven, just as it is the truth that some Protestants are going to Heaven however much it pains you to hear that. It’s a fact. I never stated specific names so not sure what is ‘ungraceful’ about that.

Yes, it appears you THINK it is spiritually edifying for you to repeatedly remind others that Satan established their church. Believe me it isn’t and that is the ugliness I was referring to.

You have convinced Zero Lutherans of the truth of the CC with your approach of telling them Satan established their church. That is not correcting or teaching from a place of love. If anything you have antagonised them. I don’t blame them, I would run a mile also.

this is a NON-catholic religious forum location – Right?

thank you 4 realizing that

You have convinced Zero Lutherans of the truth of the CC with your approach of telling them Satan established their church.

just as You have convinced Zero (any religious) of the truth of the CC with your approach of telling them Satan established their church.

umbers 11:29 NIV - But Moses replied, “Are you jealous - Bible …

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+11%3A29…NIV‎

But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on.

there is a simple test – “where the spirit of the lord jesus is, Holy Spirit” there is liberty"

WHY-- because the Holy Spirit drives out all demon influence-- i have seen it, i have experienced it-- and have watched people minister in the POWER of the Holy Spirit.

Ya but-- my religion is Right-- each other religion explains

youtu.be/fPJQw-x-xho

 

[EvangelCatholic]

I wonder how some posters will react when the Roman Catholic church proclaims that Luther was not excommunicated? At the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther in 2017, it is expected that the Pope will undo the excommunication. Also there is serious discussion on intercommunion of Catholics and Lutherans at various events.

 

[SteveVH]

I wonder how some posters will react when the Roman Catholic church proclaims that Luther was not excommunicated? At the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther in 2017, it is expected that the Pope will undo the excommunication. Also there is serious discussion on intercommunion of Catholics and Lutherans at various events.

Who is expecting the Pope to make such a proclamation? And what do you mean by “intercommunion”?

 

[JonNC]

I wonder how some posters will react when the Roman Catholic church proclaims that Luther was not excommunicated? At the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther in 2017, it is expected that the Pope will undo the excommunication. Also there is serious discussion on intercommunion of Catholics and Lutherans at various events.

While i would be thrilled, I think there is a level of wishful thinking, on both sides, regarding both events.

Jon

 

[MaryT777]

I wonder how some posters will react when the Roman Catholic church proclaims that Luther was not excommunicated? At the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther in 2017, it is expected that the Pope will undo the excommunication. Also there is serious discussion on intercommunion of Catholics and Lutherans at various events.

It is? I’ve been told they can’t undo the excommunication for the Man is dead now.
It’s in the hands of God, not the Church.

 

[SteveVH]

It is? I’ve been told they can’t undo the excommunication for the Man is dead now.
It’s in the hands of God, not the Church.

Exactly. Excommunication requires repentance and a renunciation of that for which one was excommunicated in order to be lifted.

 

[Porknpie]

Saving Grace,

Do I want you to say “Satan influenced Luther”? Not really, but if you look at your last sentence above, you eventually did.

Since when is the Truth Ugly? I have said nothing wrong, you in your last post were very “ungraceful” by being judgmental by saying some Catholics are not going to heaven, Lets let God be in charge of that. Or judging Catholics which you are one, is this “Spiritually edifying” for you to do so, to prove a point?

Jesus Christ, still has the power to bring good out of the Protestant faith and has, and through the Grace of God, they are saved through/by the Catholic Church. Amen

Lets not be afraid to say the truth, now this is “Spiritually Edifying” to me to say the truth, now does this answer your question re: “Spiritually Edifying”?

I know I have left some question for you to answer but there is no need to answer them enough is enough.

Judging Catholics is “unattractive”

God Bless,

Ufam Tobie

I think I’m on solid ground to say that Satan influences everyone…he is the great temptor (or is it tempter?)…it’s his world until Christ comes back.

 

[dontknowitall]

One thing the Protestants have, especially the evangelicals, that is lacking in the Catholic church is the emphasis on having a relationship with Jesus. There is a lot we can learn from a fellow christian who is a protestant, that’s different from saying protestants are right.

The Catechism says that God uses the Protestant churches as means of salvation so yes I believe that God would lead someone to a Protestant church if that person would not accept the Catholic church.

Protestantism is a heresy and a serious error.

(i believe you have been taught this?)

However a lot of Protestant people have a deep love for Jesus. And I, for one, believe Jesus will save those people. Ultimately that’s what God wants- People who love him. Those are the people who go to heaven.

when you say protestantism – do you mean – all who don not accept the counsel of trent anathamas – or conclusions–

or just some one not water baptised as a child?

 

[dontknowitall]

hey this is a non-catholic right-- ??

so don’t get upset

it was a nice religious posting why you embrace the catholic sacraments-- as haveing special spiritual power–

if it was so-- especially-- charismatic-- protestant’s also embrace the Holy Spirit and Jesus as a real presence

darn-- the posting took too long

so instead

youtu.be/D-2rvh1wKa8

As you know, our Lord is truly present, his entire Being.

This is not something abstract.
Part 1 Catholicism VS Evangelical Christianity

youtu.be/-9RiSBYC8hw

Through the Eucharist, Christ himself becomes part of our entire being; body and soul. The power of God almighty is present in the Eucharist at all times.

But our inner disposition to receive him can prevent us from realizing the grace that is present there.

You could not be more correct.

A greater intimacy with Christ cannot be found in this life.

We also cannot forget about the other sacraments, these other avenues of grace wherein we meet Christ in an intimate (super-personal) relationship. We confess to him our deepest, darkest secrets and ask for forgiveness. You only do that with someone with whom you have a very close relationship. And we receive that forgiveness and reconcile once again with a merciful God. My heart never pounds for the Lord as it does when I walk out of the confessional.

Beyond the sacraments, of course we have private prayer and spend time with Jesus throughout the day. This should be a natural follow up to the sacraments; to really put flesh on the words of the Gospel and live it out, day by day. That is how we have a personal relationship. Mother Teresa had a very personal relationship with Jesus. She cleaned worms out of his wounds, bathed him, gave him water to drink and gave him dignity as he took his last breath. That is truly a personal relationship.

 

[SteveVH]

dontknowitall,

You need to be more careful when using the quote feature. Your post above contains words that are not mine. Also, please do not use the quote feature around your own responses. It makes discussion on a forum difficult when one cannot quote the statement to which they are responding. Having said that, is there a point to your post? Are you sending me on errands to look at youtube rather than engaging in discussion? No thanks.