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Angie, I remember hearing something of a Protestant author ,many years ago, his name was John Sandford he had a healing ministry and authored books on the subject and that he was highly respected, Could be your guy??? I do not believe he was into proselytizing of any sort;) Peace, Carlan
P.S His ministry was about inner healing, ans from what I understand, is what you are seeking…God bless you Angie.
Yes I think that is him. I don’t know what ‘proselytizing’ means

Yes, I want inner healing

Angie
 
The protestant mentality can be good and bad. Bad in the puritanical fundamentalist way, good in the evangelical devotion to scripture and JEsus sort of way. They are all wrong on important issues though.
 
Coming from a protestant past one of the ideas that is almost totally lacking is the idea of suffering. We must choose to suffer for others and for the faith. Many of the books I grew up reading were, for the most part, about self fulfillment and ideas like that.
Can I recommend John Piper to you, then? In my experience, it’s hard to find anything he’s written that doesn’t talk about the purpose of suffering in the life of a Christian and a brief theodicy to go with it.

Edit- and of course there’s Bonhoeffer. True Meaning of Discipleship. Many people have picked up that book and said, What is the true meaning of discipleship? If you want to take an incredible book that is large and fairly dense and reduce it to just one word, that word is suffering.
 
One thing the Protestants have, especially the evangelicals, that is lacking in the Catholic church is the emphasis on having a relationship with Jesus. There is a lot we can learn from a fellow christian who is a protestant, that’s different from saying protestants are right.
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The Catechism says that God uses the Protestant churches as means of salvation so yes I believe that God would lead someone to a Protestant church if that person would not accept the Catholic church.
Protestantism is a heresy and a serious error. However a lot of Protestant people have a deep love for Jesus. And I, for one, believe Jesus will save those people. Ultimately that’s what God wants- People who love him. Those are the people who go to heaven.
I am sorry,but what do you consider the Blessed Sacrament? We get all of Jesus: body,blood,soul and divinity. How can one not have a relationship with Jesus? Seems we have more a relationship,since many non-Catholic communities do not have a valid communion.
 
Yes, I am in full agreement here.
what I meant is that Protestants feel a personal connection of friendship with Jesus.

The personal relationship with Jesus Christ that the protestants promote is worth while and I wish the Catholic church taught that more.

If you have that relationship plus the true eucharist buddy you have it all.

But I agree recieving the real body and blood of Christ in the Catholic church trumps the personal relationship they are talking about. If I had to choose one I would choose the Eucharist. But we don’t have to choose.
Amen Steve. 🙂
 
I really like josh McDowell he really helped me
Have a relationship with Jesus and then I understood the sacraments better
 
I am sorry,but what do you consider the Blessed Sacrament? We get all of Jesus: body,blood,soul and divinity. How can one not have a relationship with Jesus? Seems we have more a relationship,since many non-Catholic communities do not have a valid communion.
As you know, our Lord is truly present, his entire Being. This is not something abstract. Through the Eucharist, Christ himself becomes part of our entire being; body and soul. The power of God almighty is present in the Eucharist at all times. But our inner disposition to receive him can prevent us from realizing the grace that is present there. You could not be more correct. A greater intimacy with Christ cannot be found in this life.

We also cannot forget about the other sacraments, these other avenues of grace wherein we meet Christ in an intimate (super-personal) relationship. We confess to him our deepest, darkest secrets and ask for forgiveness. You only do that with someone with whom you have a very close relationship. And we receive that forgiveness and reconcile once again with a merciful God. My heart never pounds for the Lord as it does when I walk out of the confessional.

Beyond the sacraments, of course we have private prayer and spend time with Jesus throughout the day. This should be a natural follow up to the sacraments; to really put flesh on the words of the Gospel and live it out, day by day. That is how we have a personal relationship. Mother Teresa had a very personal relationship with Jesus. She cleaned worms out of his wounds, bathed him, gave him water to drink and gave him dignity as he took his last breath. That is truly a personal relationship.
 
I have often read books writing by protestants on how to live a Christian life. I find a lot of these books very good, comforting and helpful. As much as I truly believe the Catholic church is the one true church, I still really enjoy reading these books.

I have spoken to a few Catholics who just refuse to see the goodness in these books. One person said ‘It would be better to read books that were written by Catholics’. However, I don’t find such books. For example, Cloud and Townsend have a book about boundaries I really like. If there was a boundary book written by a Catholic I would read it, but I can not find one.

Also, I believe that a lot of protestants are genuine in the efforts to serve God. (I have met a lot of protestants that like to mock Catholics but those are not the ones I am referring to in this post).

I have come to the conclusion that for whatever reason, God (although created the Catholic church as the one true church), leads some people to the protestant churches for His purposes and I won’t understand them while in this life.

Am I off the mark? What do others think.

I also think that God has a purpose for people who never come to a Christian church. I believe that when a child is born to a Muslim, budhist, atheist or any other non-Christian family, it is because God will that child to exist. I also believe God knows full well that some of these children will ever become Catholic but again, He has His reasons for that.

Is there any official teaching on this?

Angie
Angie

Yes, you are off the Mark.🙂 The Holy Spirit leads many into the Catholic Church, there is no other church that the Holy Spirit leads people to, For there is only one Shepard that leads many into One Church.

Satan, would like them to feel that the Holy Spirit lead them to the protestant church and that it is the correct church for them, but that is so far from the Truth, for there is only One Church, One Faith, One Baptism.

Yes, there are many Good Protestants who Love our Lord Jesus Chirst and they are saved, through the Catholic Church, but yet, they wound our Lord Jesus Christ, because they don’t believe in the One Church founded on Rock.

Angie, what is better reading a Protestant book Or receiving Our Lord Body and Blood? No Protestant book can compare with this.

Be careful what you read re: protestant books, for one they differ from each other and if they are not for the only Church Christ established, then really they are against you and therefore you should not be reading it, it may lead you astray. All I say be careful.

Ufam Tobie
 
The bottom line is this. Would you leave the Eucharist for an inspiring sermon, a charismatic preacher, friendlier people or a good book? Would you leave the Eucharist for any reason?
No.
 
I am greedy. I want both inspiring preaching and the Lord’s Body and Blood in the Sacrament. Word and Sacrament.
 
Angie

Yes, you are off the Mark.🙂 The Holy Spirit leads many into the Catholic Church, there is no other church that the Holy Spirit leads people to, For there is only one Shepard that leads many into One Church.

Satan, would like them to feel that the Holy Spirit lead them to the protestant church and that it is the correct church for them, but that is so far from the Truth, for there is only One Church, One Faith, One Baptism.

A kingdom divided against itself will fall. If a non-Christian is lead to a Protestant Church and becomes an Evangelist, preaching Christianity to the world and is willing to die for Jesus Christ, thus you have the Holy Spirit working through this person spreading the love of Christ. Not Satan.

Edit: I need to say more on this because of who I know that I am. I was born into a non-Christian family and God has lead me to know Him and His Son, the idea that Satan has anything to do with this has literally brought tears to my eyes. Literally.
 
Angie

Yes, you are off the Mark.🙂 The Holy Spirit leads many into the Catholic Church, there is no other church that the Holy Spirit leads people to, For there is only one Shepard that leads many into One Church.

**Satan, would like them to feel that the Holy Spirit lead them to the protestant church and that it is the correct church for them, but that is so far from the Truth, for there is only One Church, One Faith, One Baptism.
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😦 Perhaps the Holy Spirit is directing people to Jesus, and through human fraility, they are getting the message but not its fullness. Protestantism is not Satanic. Genuinely wanting to follow Christ, however imperfectly (and no one is perfect), is not Satanic.
Yes, there are many Good Protestants who Love our Lord Jesus Chirst and they are saved, through the Catholic Church, but yet, they wound our Lord Jesus Christ, because they don’t believe in the One Church founded on Rock.

Angie, what is better reading a -]Protestant/-] Christian book Or receiving Our Lord Body and Blood?

Ufam Tobie
I want both.
A kingdom divided against itself will fall. If a non-Christian is lead to a Protestant Church and becomes an Evangelist, preaching Christianity to the world and is willing to die for Jesus Christ, thus you have the Holy Spirit working through this person spreading the love of Christ. Not Satan.

Edit: I need to say more on this because of who I know that I am. I was born into a non-Christian family and God has lead me to know Him and His Son, the idea that Satan has anything to do with this has literally brought tears to my eyes. Literally.
I am sorry for your tears; and me, too. Things like this can further the division. Probably not what He wants. 😉
I am greedy. I want both inspiring preaching and the Lord’s Body and Blood in the Sacrament. Word and Sacrament.
👍👍

I am glad I finally saw the ‘strikethrough’ option. 😃
 
A kingdom divided against itself will fall. If a non-Christian is lead to a Protestant Church and becomes an Evangelist, preaching Christianity to the world and is willing to die for Jesus Christ, thus you have the Holy Spirit working through this person spreading the love of Christ. Not Satan.

Edit: I need to say more on this because of who I know that I am. I was born into a non-Christian family and God has lead me to know Him and His Son, the idea that Satan has anything to do with this has literally brought tears to my eyes. Literally.
I agree. It is foolish to believe Protestants are being led by Satan. That is just plain ignorant. All Protestants are our separated brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
As you know, our Lord is truly present, his entire Being. This is not something abstract. Through the Eucharist, Christ himself becomes part of our entire being; body and soul. The power of God almighty is present in the Eucharist at all times. But our inner disposition to receive him can prevent us from realizing the grace that is present there. You could not be more correct. A greater intimacy with Christ cannot be found in this life.

We also cannot forget about the other sacraments, these other avenues of grace wherein we meet Christ in an intimate (super-personal) relationship. We confess to him our deepest, darkest secrets and ask for forgiveness. You only do that with someone with whom you have a very close relationship. And we receive that forgiveness and reconcile once again with a merciful God. My heart never pounds for the Lord as it does when I walk out of the confessional.

Beyond the sacraments, of course we have private prayer and spend time with Jesus throughout the day. This should be a natural follow up to the sacraments; to really put flesh on the words of the Gospel and live it out, day by day. That is how we have a personal relationship. Mother Teresa had a very personal relationship with Jesus. She cleaned worms out of his wounds, bathed him, gave him water to drink and gave him dignity as he took his last breath. That is truly a personal relationship.
Amen! Amen!
 
To answer the question btw, C.S. Lewis was a Protestant and made himself very careful not to make a distinction between Catholics and Protestants. Even at the beginning of "Mere Christianity’ he would label all denominations alphabetically just to avoid being called biased.

When I’m looking up strategies for talking to Muslims, Atheists or whatever it may be I don’t mind if the person I’m learning from is Catholic or Protestant. I follow coldcasechristianity which is an apologetics website with new articles and they’ve honestly never made it clear who they represent based on their articles.

I know William Lane Craig is a Protestant but he’s very accepting of the CC and his writings make no mention of it. Also for a quick learning check out “one minute apologetics” on youtube. Again, I’m not sure of their affiliation but one can learn much.

We’re all in this together to bring people to Jesus.
 
I agree. It is foolish to believe Protestants are being led by Satan. That is just plain ignorant. All Protestants are our separated brothers and sisters in Christ.
thank you and Amen
To answer the question btw, C.S. Lewis was a Protestant and made himself very careful not to make a distinction between Catholics and Protestants. Even at the beginning of "Mere Christianity’ he would label all denominations alphabetically just to avoid being called biased.

When I’m looking up strategies for talking to Muslims, Atheists or whatever it may be I don’t mind if the person I’m learning from is Catholic or Protestant. I follow coldcasechristianity which is an apologetics website with new articles and they’ve honestly never made it clear who they represent based on their articles.

I know William Lane Craig is a Protestant but he’s very accepting of the CC and his writings make no mention of it. Also for a quick learning check out “one minute apologetics” on youtube. Again, I’m not sure of their affiliation but one can learn much.

We’re all in this together to bring people to Jesus.
Thank you and Amen
 
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
**836 "All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God. . . . And to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation."320

837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but ‘in body’ not ‘in heart.’"321

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist."324

The Church and non-Christians

839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329

840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330

842 The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332

844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.334**

More on this can be found beginning here: scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#III
 
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