Protestant marriages, Catholic marriages?

[happilycatholic]

I would add the following point: A large percentage of people who call themselves “Catholic” as well as people who call themselves “Protestant,” “Christian,” or the like are not even believers, so this whole discussion is moot for them. Married, divorced, whatever, it has no eternal benefit or consequences outside the salvation found only in Jesus Christ. Lip-service or family ties do not a Christian make.

cyber1:

I would respectfully respond that, we must not judge a person on a mistake or one hundred mistakes. We cannot possibly know what is in a person’s heart at the time of their marriage or their divorce/annulment.

You seem to have sinners confused with non-believers.

Just because a person sins does not make them a ‘non-believer’.

Even a person who sins ALOT who has been baptized is a Christian, a rebellious Christian, but nevertheless, a Christian. Who are we to judge those who don’t live their lives according to our standards for catholics, Protestants, married, divorced or whatever.

Not trying to be a ‘stickinthemud’ just a thought…

Peace be with you,

HC

 

[Publisher]

For those Protestants who believe their words “to death do us part”…they remained married…for those Protestants who wish to divorce most likely use the same line of thinking that Catholics use when they falsify the reasons for getting an annullment.

Faithful people of either tradition remain faithful…those that do not remain faithful to either tradition call it “divorce” or “annullment” and justify the reasons a divorce is undertaken OR abuse the annullment process to adhere to the “letter of the law” by skirting the whole “we don’t believe in divorce, so we got an annullment, since we got an annullment from the church, we are free to marry”.

Either tactic one takes a “divorce” for Protestants who if were Catholic would employ the “annullment process” in some cases…one poster mentioned the Orthodox view…realizing the sinfullness of humanity recongnize their frailty and in some circumstances allow divorce…if a remarriage is undertaken it is done with humility and beseeching God for forgiveness of the failed marriage.

Review Godflower’s post for a more concise statement of this whole discussion…you may not accept the premise I wish to make and seek to drive home that your view of what I beleive must be accepted…I simply don’t…your articulation is fine…my acceptance of what you are saying at face value is not in dispute…in reality and the day to day life of Catholics and Protestants…“divorce/annullment”…right or wrongly understood occurs and either tradition faces and has unfaithful members…some trying to “fool God”…they may not “fool God” but they do the church and tribunals and adhere to “the letter of the law” when it would have been much simpler to “divorce” civilly and keep it to themselves like many/most Protestants do and live with the consequences of their actions instead of stating “Catholics don’t believe in divorce, but Protestants do.”

 

[rinnie]

I think Publisher understands you clearly. I also think Publisher is contending that the annulment process gets abused in the Catholic Church; and I think Publisher is presenting us with (what Publisher believes to be) an example of such an abuse. I can’t say whether Publisher is correct about that specific example, because I don’t know the facts; but such examples do in fact occur all the time. I am utterly convinced that there are some Catholics out there who abuse the process in support of their own misguided understanding of Catholic teachings. And they make the rest of us (and, what’s worse, the Church) look bad.

But no one has denied that there are Catholic’s who are not true Catholic’s and do not practice their faith. But the fact is just because its abused at times only God knows the truth.

But back to the point a annulment is not a divorce. We get accused of it being a divorce but it is not. The RCC does not believe in it.

 

[rinnie]

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For those Protestants who believe their words “to death do us part”…they remained married…for those Protestants who wish to divorce most likely use the same line of thinking that Catholics use when they falsify the reasons for getting an annullment.

Faithful people of either tradition remain faithful…those that do not remain faithful to either tradition call it “divorce” or “annullment” and justify the reasons a divorce is undertaken OR abuse the annullment process to adhere to the “letter of the law” by skirting the whole “we don’t believe in divorce, so we got an annullment, since we got an annullment from the church, we are free to marry”.

Either tactic one takes a “divorce” for Protestants who if were Catholic would employ the “annullment process” in some cases…one poster mentioned the Orthodox view…realizing the sinfullness of humanity recongnize their frailty and in some circumstances allow divorce…if a remarriage is undertaken it is done with humility and beseeching God for forgiveness of the failed marriage.

Review Godflower’s post for a more concise statement of this whole discussion…you may not accept the premise I wish to make and seek to drive home that your view of what I beleive must be accepted…I simply don’t…your articulation is fine…my acceptance of what you are saying at face value is not in dispute…in reality and the day to day life of Catholics and Protestants…“divorce/annullment”…right or wrongly understood occurs and either tradition faces and has unfaithful members…some trying to “fool God”…[SIGN]they may not “fool God” but they do the church and tribunals and adhere to “the letter of the law” [/SIGN]when it would have been much simpler to “divorce” civilly and keep it to themselves like many/most Protestants do and live with the consequences of their actions instead of stating “Catholics don’t believe in divorce, but Protestants do.”

But that is my whole point, what good did it do them? At least get a divorce, tell the truth, dont go to commumion if you are not living how you should and pray for Gods mercy. And then its between you and God. But call a spade a spade for goodness sakes.

 

[Publisher]

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But that is my whole point, what good did it do them? At least get a divorce, tell the truth, dont go to commumion if you are not living how you should and pray for Gods mercy. And then its between you and God. But call a spade a spade for goodness sakes.

“Let your “yes” be “yes” and your “no” be “no”.” Agreed…but the point also has to do with people in glass houses and throwing stones…something we all fall prey to at times it seems.

 

[cyber1call]

cyber1:

I would respectfully respond that, we must not judge a person on a mistake or one hundred mistakes. We cannot possibly know what is in a person’s heart at the time of their marriage or their divorce/annulment.

You seem to have sinners confused with non-believers.

Just because a person sins does not make them a ‘non-believer’.

Even a person who sins ALOT who has been baptized is a Christian, a rebellious Christian, but nevertheless, a Christian. Who are we to judge those who don’t live their lives according to our standards for catholics, Protestants, married, divorced or whatever.

Not trying to be a ‘stickinthemud’ just a thought…

Peace be with you,

HC

Respectfully, I think you miss my point. Certainly it’s not up to you or me to judge whether or not someone is truly a believer. I agree that people can sin and still be believers. In fact, that is probably always the case.

What I was trying to point out is that there are lots of people in the world who in ignorance call themselves Christian because their parents are Christians or they go to church or because they were born in a “Christian” nation or whatever. I hope you agreee that “being” a Christian is more than that. Primarily it involves belief, and that belief is demonstrated through our works. Going to church on Easter and Christmas (or getting married in one) doesn’t make one a Christian anymore than going into garage makes you a car.

So in the context of this thread’s discussion, I think it’s important to note that sometimes, to paraphrase Jesus, we “strain out gnats, but swallow camels.” If people are married in unbelief, then what difference is there if they are then divorced in unbelief? Married or divorced, they are still in their sins. Now let me repeat, I’m making a general statement and NOT saying that all divorced people are unbelievers. I’m just pointing out that many will dot all the “i’s” and cross all the “t’s” and to the world and even the church they will have done all the right things, but yet they face the horrible prospect of hearing Jesus say, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” What a sad, and terrifying prospect!

 

[rinnie]

“Let your “yes” be “yes” and your “no” be “no”.” Agreed…but the point also has to do with people in glass houses and throwing stones…something we all fall prey to at times it seems.

No you cannot say that. The Church is not a glass house. They do not allow divorce and never will. If a person is married in the eyes of God and they refuse to keep that commitment they cannot receive the Eucharist in the Catholic Church.

THe Church practices what it preaches. There are many many Catholics who have been turned down for a annulment and refused to accept this so left the Church. But there are many other Catholics that accepted the CHurch as the word of God and although they attend weekly mass sometimes daily they accept the church decision and do not take the Eucharist. There are many of Catholic’s who cannot receive the Body of CHrist and accept this. SO do not accuse the Church of being a Glass house because of some Catholics who abused the system. Or because of people that were dishonest and may have lied.

Back the point the CC does not allow divorce. But many protestatant Church’s do. But I am glad to hear there are some that also agree with the RCC teaching and abide by its rules.

 

[rinnie]

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Respectfully, I think you miss my point. Certainly it’s not up to you or me to judge whether or not someone is truly a believer. I agree that people can sin and still be believers. In fact, that is probably always the case.

[SIGN]What I was trying to point out is that there are lots of people in the world who in ignorance call themselves Christian because their parents are Christians or they go to church [/SIGN]or because they were born in a “Christian” nation or whatever. I hope you agreee that “being” a Christian is more than that. Primarily it involves belief, and that belief is demonstrated through our works. Going to church on Easter and Christmas (or getting married in one) doesn’t make one a Christian anymore than going into garage makes you a car.

So in the context of this thread’s discussion, I think it’s important to note that sometimes, to paraphrase Jesus, we “strain out gnats, but swallow camels.” If people are married in unbelief, then what difference is there if they are then divorced in unbelief? Married or divorced, they are still in their sins. Now let me repeat, I’m making a general statement and NOT saying that all divorced people are unbelievers. I’m just pointing out that many will dot all the “i’s” and cross all the “t’s” and to the world and even the church they will have done all the right things, but yet they face the horrible prospect of hearing Jesus say, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” What a sad, and terrifying prospect!

I don’t know I always thought to be a Christian is to accept Jesus Christ in your life and do the best you can. I believe we are all called in our own ways. While I agree that the Protestant faith is not for me, I know that Protestants are living their life the only way they can and Love God as much as I.

And they like Me can only know what God has revealed to them. There are people who call themself Protestant and Catholic. But are they practicing Protestants and Practicing Catholics. Thats the question.

But my point was how people can get divorced call it a divorce, see it as a divorce, marry in the church time and time again. How that could be done. It is not the People I do not agree with, or understand, its the preachers who let this go on. What is the protestant view of marriage, and how can they accept divorce.

As I have showed you the Catholic view, and how it is not accepted, although we have been accused of just getting around it, or whatever you want to accuse us of, We do not accept divorce.

I have heard time after time you need to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. My Personal relationship with Jesus Christ started when I was baptised. I never knew a life without him. OR could imagine one without him. I talk to Jesus everyday. And have since I was able to talk. I talk to him the same way he talks to me and the Church through his Spirit. The Holy Spirit.

 

[Publisher]

No you cannot say that. The Church is not a glass house. They do not allow divorce and never will. If a person is married in the eyes of God and they refuse to keep that commitment they cannot receive the Eucharist in the Catholic Church.

THe Church practices what it preaches. There are many many Catholics who have been turned down for a annulment and refused to accept this so left the Church. But there are many other Catholics that accepted the CHurch as the word of God and although they attend weekly mass sometimes daily they accept the church decision and do not take the Eucharist. There are many of Catholic’s who cannot receive the Body of CHrist and accept this. SO do not accuse the Church of being a Glass house because of some Catholics who abused the system. Or because of people that were dishonest and may have lied.

Back the point the CC does not allow divorce. But many protestatant Church’s do. But I am glad to hear there are some that also agree with the RCC teaching and abide by its rules.

I am not speaking of your chruch organization…I am speaking of people. No one said the church was a “glass house”…it is a religious organization made up of fallible people who make bad judgements.

Fact: Catholics get divorces.

Fact: Protestants get divorces

Catholic church issue decrees of nulity against sacramental marriages that are valid…the church may not know it does…but the couple can misrepresent themselves to the point whre the church errs in it’s judgement. The church is not infallible in this respect.

Some Protestants undergo divorce which could in reality be called annullments…but since they have no avenue to do so…a civil divorce suffices.

Catholics do get divorces…it is not a Protestant problem alone.

 

[rinnie]

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I am not speaking of your chruch organization…I am speaking of people. No one said the church was a “glass house”…it is a religious organization made up of fallible people who make bad judgements.

Fact: Catholics get divorces.

Fact: Protestants get divorces

Catholic church issue decrees of nulity against sacramental marriages that are valid…the church may not know it does…but the couple can misrepresent themselves to the point whre the church errs in it’s judgement. The church is not infallible in this respect.

Some Protestants undergo divorce which could in reality be called annullments…but since they have no avenue to do so…a civil divorce suffices.

[SIGN]Catholics do get divorces…it is not a Protestant problem alone.

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Publisher who ever denied that Catholic’s do not file for divorce. I never said that nor anyone here.

Let me repeat this one more time.

THe RCC does not accept divorce. If a man a women is married in the eyes of the RCC that marriage is valid until the day one spouse dies and they cannot remarry in the RCC.

What part of that can you not get? Please show me one Catholic who got a divorce and then got remarried in the RCC. It can not happen. If you have a valid marriage thats it, the Church will refuse to marry you again. IN ANY RCC.

 

[Godfollower]

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Publisher who ever denied that Catholic’s do not file for divorce. I never said that nor anyone here.

Let me repeat this one more time.

THe RCC does not accept divorce. If a man a women is married in the eyes of the RCC that marriage is valid until the day one spouse dies and they cannot remarry in the RCC.

What part of that can you not get? Please show me one Catholic who got a divorce and then got remarried in the RCC. It can not happen. If you have a valid marriage thats it, the Church will refuse to marry you again. IN ANY RCC.

You do understand, don’t you, that you and Publisher have been saying the same thing for at least two pages now? S/He (sorry) gets it: the Catholic Church prohibits divorce (that’s not technically true, but it suffices for this discussion). But, although the Catholic Church and the civil law courts allow decrees stating that particular marriages were invalid and didn’t happen, many Protestant churches have no equivalent procedure. Some Protestant divorces would be qualified for annulments in the Catholic Church, and some Catholics lie to the tribunal so that they can get annulments when they really don’t qualify.

Publisher isn’t really saying anything more; so you and Publisher are actually in complete agreement.

 

[Publisher]

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Publisher who ever denied that Catholic’s do not file for divorce. I never said that nor anyone here.

Let me repeat this one more time.

THe RCC does not accept divorce. If a man a women is married in the eyes of the RCC that marriage is valid until the day one spouse dies and they cannot remarry in the RCC.

What part of that can you not get? Please show me one Catholic who got a divorce and then got remarried in the RCC. It can not happen. If you have a valid marriage thats it, the Church will refuse to marry you again. IN ANY RCC.

Rinnie,

Some Catholics get bogus annullments when they shouldn’t have. Several Catholics have admitted on this board abuses occur.

Protestant churches are against divorce…some of them as strongly or more so than the Cathlolic church.

I am not casting aspersions upon your faith tradition…it is made up of humans…frail, faulty, falible humans of all types…just as Protestant churches.

What laws and rules the Catholic church has on the books has not necessarily stemmed the tide of Catholics getting divorces and remarrying…even if only civilly…no more than the laws and rules Protestants have on the books stems the tides of them getting divorces and remarrying

The Catholic church has a system in place that curbs faithful Catholics from divorcing in the form of annullments…allowing some of them to pursue a more agreeable marriage…whether this was the intended outcome or not…it occurs.

There are faithful people of both traditions that believe in the sanctity of marriage…the opposite is also true…regardless of what is stated in the rules and bylaws of the respective organization.

 

[rinnie]

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I am not speaking of your chruch organization…I am speaking of people. No one said the church was a “glass house”…it is a religious organization made up of fallible people who make bad judgements.

Fact: Catholics get divorces.

Fact: Protestants get divorces

[SIGN]Catholic church issue decrees of nulity against sacramental marriages that are valid…the church may not know it does…[/SIGN].but the couple can misrepresent themselves to the point whre the church errs in it’s judgement. The church is not infallible in this respect.

Some Protestants undergo divorce which could in reality be called annullments…but since they have no avenue to do so…a civil divorce suffices.

Catholics do get divorces…it is not a Protestant problem alone.

You do not know this for sure. You are not God, while if can be possible who can possibly say for sure. Only God knows. So unless you were in that room with the Priest and can testify that what a person said was an outward lie and you know that persons heart you cannot say this.

Is it possible for a person to stand before a Priest and lie, anything is possible. But here is the thing. This was a great lesson that came from my Mom. Usually its my Dad.

You do not have to worry about another persons sin. When you stand before God you will be judged for your sin not theirs. God is in this process and I believe that he makes the outcome. My Mom always say we should confess our sins, and not worry about others, and she said by the time we confess our sins we will not have time to worry about others.

You were not in this relationship. So how can you say any couple lied to the Priest. God gave the Priest that right to make the call and the Priest will also answer for it. I have faith in my Church and Priest and the HS who is guiding them, Like I told you before if someone did get away with something in your eyes God let it happen.

The Catholic Church does not issue decrees of nulity that are Sacramental marriages that are valid. The CC see’s proof beyond a doubt that this was not a Sacramental umion. I cannot believe that Brothers, sisters, mothers fathers all of these People would state before God and all tell the same lies so someone could have a marriage annuled. I cannot believe this. And like I said if they did they will pay. I believe many people lie, but I also believe that GOds Truth prevails…

 

[Bluegoat]

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You do not know this for sure. You are not God, while if can be possible who can possibly say for sure. Only God knows. So unless you were in that room with the Priest and can testify that what a person said was an outward lie and you know that persons heart you cannot say this.

Is it possible for a person to stand before a Priest and lie, anything is possible. But here is the thing. This was a great lesson that came from my Mom. Usually its my Dad.

You do not have to worry about another persons sin. When you stand before God you will be judged for your sin not theirs. God is in this process and I believe that he makes the outcome. My Mom always say we should confess our sins, and not worry about others, and she said by the time we confess our sins we will not have time to worry about others.

You were not in this relationship. So how can you say any couple lied to the Priest. God gave the Priest that right to make the call and the Priest will also answer for it. I have faith in my Church and Priest and the HS who is guiding them, Like I told you before if someone did get away with something in your eyes God let it happen.

The Catholic Church does not issue decrees of nulity that are Sacramental marriages that are valid. The CC see’s proof beyond a doubt that this was not a Sacramental umion. I cannot believe that Brothers, sisters, mothers fathers all of these People would state before God and all tell the same lies so someone could have a marriage annuled. I cannot believe this. And like I said if they did they will pay. I believe many people lie, but I also believe that GOds Truth prevails…

It seems to me that you really need to apply the same caveats to Protestants that you do to Catholics. You keep saying that Catholics who abusese, or misunderstand and misapply the rules don’t count, whether they just ignore the teachings of the church and proceed civilly, or they try to misuse the annulment system.

But you don’t seem to see that the same thing is true of other Christians. Many Protestants are doing the very same thing - not really following the teachings of their own church. Why are you holding these people up as examples when you won’t hold up the Catholics who misuse the system?

If we ignore both groups of mis-users, I think what you will find is this. They all have much more in common than they do with the secular understanding and hold marriage up very high. There is a slight difference in some cases in the theology of marriage; and in some cases they define their terms differently. Some are very strict (certain kinds of Protestants) some are less so (also certain kinds of Protestants) most fall into the middle. Those that allow divorce do not see it as a kind of dissolving of a contract, but as a terrible violent thing like ripping off an arm.

But all see marriage as a vocation, and holy, and a vow which is never to be entered into lightly, and created by God, and something which involves total self-giving.

 

[rinnie]

It seems to me that you really need to apply the same caveats to Protestants that you do to Catholics. You keep saying that Catholics who abusese, or misunderstand and misapply the rules don’t count, whether they just ignore the teachings of the church and proceed civilly, or they try to misuse the annulment system.

But you don’t seem to see that the same thing is true of other Christians. Many Protestants are doing the very same thing - not really following the teachings of their own church. Why are you holding these people up as examples when you won’t hold up the Catholics who misuse the system?

If we ignore both groups of mis-users, I think what you will find is this. They all have much more in common than they do with the secular understanding and hold marriage up very high. There is a slight difference in some cases in the theology of marriage; and in some cases they define their terms differently. Some are very strict (certain kinds of Protestants) some are less so (also certain kinds of Protestants) most fall into the middle. Those that allow divorce do not see it as a kind of dissolving of a contract, but as a terrible violent thing like ripping off an arm.

But all see marriage as a vocation, and holy, and a vow which is never to be entered into lightly, and created by God, and something which involves total self-giving.

How could you say that. I said that if a Catholic lies and gets away with it they get away with nothing. When they meet GOd they will pay for that lie. Where did I ever say that Catholics that abuse, misuse or misapply the rules do not count?

I told you there are people who say they are Catholic and not practicing their faith. 2 very different things. Actually I would consider a Catholic more accountable for a marriage then I would a protestant. Because a Catholic should know better. The Church has never changed its teaching.

But on the other hand how can you ask me to stand in judgement of a Catholic who in your opinion misuse the system. I said that I cannot say that they did or did not. How can I read a mind,

But the point is the RCC does not allow divorce, and many protestant church’s do. Is that not what we are talking about.

If you are asking me is Catholics are sinners and do not live up to thier faith the way they should the answer is yes. And many many times I am at the top of that list. BUt you cannot blame the CHurch for my faults. The church cannot take my free will. They can only teach me the truth. ANd the whole point is the they do.

 

[rinnie]

I just asked and never got a answer on how protestant Church’s can accept divorce and re-marry people time after time in their chuch. Many have come on here and said they also acknowledge marriage as the RC does. But many do not.

I just asked how they can get around that scripture. And as I said never got a answer. I was told that some Church’s accept annulments like we do but not all.

Then the RCC was attacked and accused of giving a divorce and calling it an annulment and I showed that is not true. BUt again never got an answer.

How can Protestant Church’s accept divorce when God does not accept it. ANd how can you go to a Protestant church and hear what God has joined together let no man separate. Then time after time let it happen.

 

[rinnie]

And please show me where I wrote that NO PROTESTANT HAS EVER HAD GROUNDS FOR AN ANNULMENT! You accuse me of these things that I never said.

 

[pe219]

2 other hopeful stats our priest has mentioned in the past:

among couples who attend church every week the divorce rate is, I believe, about 1 in 57;

among couples who, in addition to attending church each week, also pray together daily in some means that involves reference to scripture (bible study; meditating on the mysteries of the rosary; etc.) the rate of divorce is 1 in 400!!!

The power of prayer and the gift of grace through the Holy Spirit. Awesome isn’t it!

Peter

 

[happilycatholic]

Respectfully, I think you miss my point. Certainly it’s not up to you or me to judge whether or not someone is truly a believer. I agree that people can sin and still be believers. In fact, that is probably always the case.

What I was trying to point out is that there are lots of people in the world who in ignorance call themselves Christian because their parents are Christians or they go to church or because they were born in a “Christian” nation or whatever. I hope you agreee that “being” a Christian is more than that. Primarily it involves belief, and that belief is demonstrated through our works. Going to church on Easter and Christmas (or getting married in one) doesn’t make one a Christian anymore than going into garage makes you a car.

So in the context of this thread’s discussion, I think it’s important to note that sometimes, to paraphrase Jesus, we “strain out gnats, but swallow camels.” If people are married in unbelief, then what difference is there if they are then divorced in unbelief? Married or divorced, they are still in their sins. Now let me repeat, I’m making a general statement and NOT saying that all divorced people are unbelievers. I’m just pointing out that many will dot all the “i’s” and cross all the “t’s” and to the world and even the church they will have done all the right things, but yet they face the horrible prospect of hearing Jesus say, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” What a sad, and terrifying prospect!

Hello cyber1

I am very sorry to have misunderstood you. I quite agree with your comments here and see a lot of what you describe here. It is indeed sad that some don’t truly “know” Christ and don’t act like Christians.

I really like your garage/car analogy I will plagiarize that one every chance I get!

Blessings!

HC

 

[Bluegoat]

How could you say that. I said that if a Catholic lies and gets away with it they get away with nothing. When they meet GOd they will pay for that lie. Where did I ever say that Catholics that abuse, misuse or misapply the rules do not count?

I told you there are people who say they are Catholic and not practicing their faith. 2 very different things. Actually I would consider a Catholic more accountable for a marriage then I would a protestant. Because a Catholic should know better. The Church has never changed its teaching.

But on the other hand how can you ask me to stand in judgement of a Catholic who in your opinion misuse the system. I said that I cannot say that they did or did not. How can I read a mind,

But the point is the RCC does not allow divorce, and many protestant church’s do. Is that not what we are talking about.

If you are asking me is Catholics are sinners and do not live up to thier faith the way they should the answer is yes. And many many times I am at the top of that list. BUt you cannot blame the CHurch for my faults. The church cannot take my free will. They can only teach me the truth. ANd the whole point is the they do.

I think you have understood me to be saying the opposite of what I meant.

What I am saying is that many of the Protestants who are using their churches to marry so many times, or take marriage lightly, are either ignoring or paying lip service to the actual teachings of their churches. Just like the Catholics who do the same things. A Protestant who does that is not a good model to show what Protestants believe about marriage, any more than the Catholic who gives false reasons to receive an annulment is and then remarries in a Catholic Church. In both cases they are trying to “fool” the authorities - the tribunal, their pastor, God.

As far as your question, numerous posts have answered it.

Many Protestants do not feel that the verse, “What God has joined let no man put asunder” cannot be understood alone. They point out that Christ also explicitly gives cases where divorce is permissible. From this they conclude the Catholic position that divorce is never allowed is incorrect.