Protestant marriages, Catholic marriages?

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Sunday Father had a sermon on Marriage. He repeated the gospel reading that we all know off by heart by now.

I have posted this question many many times, but it never seems to get many responses. But I will try again.

How do protestant faiths explain divorce. Do they really believe that it is acceptable to Jesus Christ? Or do they believe he meant it when he said what God joins together let no man tear apart?

Because I believe that to be one of the main reasons people have left the RCC. Because they could not be divorced in the RCC and remarried. Was the RCC not just upholding the word of God?
 
Sunday Father had a sermon on Marriage. He repeated the gospel reading that we all know off by heart by now.

I have posted this question many many times, but it never seems to get many responses. But I will try again.

How do protestant faiths explain divorce. Do they really believe that it is acceptable to Jesus Christ? Or do they believe he meant it when he said what God joins together let no man tear apart?

Because I believe that to be one of the main reasons people have left the RCC. Because they could not be divorced in the RCC and remarried. Was the RCC not just upholding the word of God?
A few things. First, yeah that was the homily yesterday & he was also pushing the Epistle of St. James & Hebrews. He said we should read those 2 books whenever we get a chance. He also gave a sad statistic, which is 40% of catholic marriages end in divorce. Now with regard to divorce, THAT is the civil part of it. The church also takes a look at everything & there has to be a just cause. AN anullment is when the church says, yep, you’re good. & YOU CAN remarry in the church IF the church doesnt recognize the sanctity of the wedding, like if a couple got married in a baptist church or got married @ the city hall w. the justice of the peace, it wasn’t a sacramental wedding. SO, they would see it as though you were never married. Divorce is the civil side, anullment is the church side. As far as the protestant side…I used to be episcopalian, & I know they think it’s a shame what’s happening to marriage, but they dont stress the fact that its a vow taken by both parties before God. It’s kinda like people are inviting the Almighty to the wedding, but they don’t really let Him in the marriage. THAT is what’s missing I think…that’s my 2c.
 


Because I believe that to be one of the main reasons people have left the RCC. Because they could not be divorced in the RCC and remarried. Was the RCC not just upholding the word of God?
This might be off mark to the thread’s theme - but King Henry VIII just came to my mind.

Some Catholics get angry with the church because they cannot get away with divorce if their marriage does not work out. Many of them have become ex-Catholics.

Again, a saying comes to mind - if you ignore the fact it does not mean that the fact will get away. No matter how hard it is to accept that Jesus did not teach divorces, ignoring it would not change this teaching. 🤷
 
Most Protestants do not accept the “distinction” that Catholics make regarding “divorce” and “annulment”.

Among Catholics if a person has been “married” for thirty years and have produced 8 children and decide they wish to split up, they can petition the church to review their marriage and issue an “annulment” stating that a “real marriage” never occured…which to most Protestants seems very “suspect”. “If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…”

The differences betweeen Protestant “divorce” and Catholic “annulment” is lost on most of us…especially with marriages that have lasted for decades and produced children then by formal decree by the Catholic church “annulled” tends to muddy the whole idea of what true marriage really entails.
 
Sunday Father had a sermon on Marriage. He repeated the gospel reading that we all know off by heart by now.

I have posted this question many many times, but it never seems to get many responses. But I will try again.

How do protestant faiths explain divorce. Do they really believe that it is acceptable to Jesus Christ? Or do they believe he meant it when he said what God joins together let no man tear apart?

Because I believe that to be one of the main reasons people have left the RCC. Because they could not be divorced in the RCC and remarried. Was the RCC not just upholding the word of God?
I don’t know that there’s a universal answer that applies to all Protestants (as different Protestant groups have differnt views about divorce and remarriage), but a lot of it hinges on Matthew 5:32 and the “exception clause.”

In the NAB: “But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”

In the RSV: “But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”

In the KJV: “But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.”

In the NIV: “But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.”

As you can see by the different translations, there are several interpretations of this passage. It all hinges on the understanding of the Greek word porneia.

Thus, if you follow the NIV (as many mainline Protestants do), Jesus specifically says that it’s okay to get divorced if your spouse cheats on you. Also keep in mind that they do not have the same sort of sacramental theology on marriage that we Catholics do.
 
Most Protestants do not accept the “distinction” that Catholics make regarding “divorce” and “annulment”.

Among Catholics if a person has been “married” for thirty years and have produced 8 children and decide they wish to split up, they can petition the church to review their marriage and issue an “annulment” stating that a “real marriage” never occured…which to most Protestants seems very “suspect”. “If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…”

The differences betweeen Protestant “divorce” and Catholic “annulment” is lost on most of us…especially with marriages that have lasted for decades and produced children then by formal decree by the Catholic church “annulled” tends to muddy the whole idea of what true marriage really entails.
Many annullment requests are not granted.

This is a biblical process in conformity with God’s word.

This process is long and complicated because it respects the sanctity of marriage.

There is no such process among protestants.
 
Many annullment requests are not granted.

This is a biblical process in conformity with God’s word.

This process is long and complicated because it respects the sanctity of marriage.

There is no such process among protestants.
Understood, however most Protestants do not see the distinction between their “divorces” and Catholic “annullments”. True, there is no “formal” process where the respective religious body declares the marriage “void” there by granting the petitioners permission to “remarry”.

To many of us, declaring a marriage “null” after thirty years of “marriage” doesn’t make a lot of sense, especially if the Catholics have been involved in their church for those years and would “assume” that within that time frame they would have been instructed sufficiently about what a “marriage” really is and corrected the situation.

Within many Protestant communities, a couple who gets a “divorce” also “divorce” themselves from their faith tradition as well.

I have a very good friend who’s Catholic. His sister was “married” for over twenty years and she and her “husband” had three children. After the last child entered college they decided they didn’t want to be “married” any longer…so they requested an “annullment” from the church. My friend received paperwork to complete and was asked several questions. He didn’t want to fill out the paperwork because he did not feel his sister and her “husband” had any reason to “divorce” other than they had found new love interests.

The annulment was granted…most of us do not see the distinction between “divorce” and “annullment”, even though there is a lengthy process by the church to determine if a “sacramental marriage” took place by two active Catholics “married” for over twenty years and who’ve put three kids through college and have numerous grandchildren.

From what my friend indicates, while some annullments are not granted, if one insures that the questions are answered “just so” in many cases it will be…as I stated earlier the fine distinctions between Protestant “divorce” and Catholic “annullment” is lost on most of us.
 
Understood, however most Protestants do not see the distinction between their “divorces” and Catholic “annullments”. True, there is no “formal” process where the respective religious body declares the marriage “void” there by granting the petitioners permission to “remarry”.

To many of us, declaring a marriage “null” after thirty years of “marriage” doesn’t make a lot of sense, especially if the Catholics have been involved in their church for those years and would “assume” that within that time frame they would have been instructed sufficiently about what a “marriage” really is and corrected the situation.

Within many Protestant communities, a couple who gets a “divorce” also “divorce” themselves from their faith tradition as well.

I have a very good friend who’s Catholic. His sister was “married” for over twenty years and she and her “husband” had three children. After the last child entered college they decided they didn’t want to be “married” any longer…so they requested an “annullment” from the church. My friend received paperwork to complete and was asked several questions. He didn’t want to fill out the paperwork because he did not feel his sister and her “husband” had any reason to “divorce” other than they had found new love interests.

The annulment was granted…most of us do not see the distinction between “divorce” and “annullment”, even though there is a lengthy process by the church to determine if a “sacramental marriage” took place by two active Catholics “married” for over twenty years and who’ve put three kids through college and have numerous grandchildren.

From what my friend indicates, while some annullments are not granted, if one insures that the questions are answered “just so” in many cases it will be…as I stated earlier the fine distinctions between Protestant “divorce” and Catholic “annullment” is lost on most of us.
Your friend’s experience does not seem to comply with Church teaching. Individual priests may or may not follow the letter of the law in granting annulments, which is unfortunate.

However, the Church is attempting to conform to the biblical teaching regarding marriage.
 
Understood, however most Protestants do not see the distinction between their “divorces” and Catholic “annullments”. True, there is no “formal” process where the respective religious body declares the marriage “void” there by granting the petitioners permission to “remarry”.

To many of us, declaring a marriage “null” after thirty years of “marriage” doesn’t make a lot of sense, especially if the Catholics have been involved in their church for those years and would “assume” that within that time frame they would have been instructed sufficiently about what a “marriage” really is and corrected the situation.

Within many Protestant communities, a couple who gets a “divorce” also “divorce” themselves from their faith tradition as well.

I have a very good friend who’s Catholic. His sister was “married” for over twenty years and she and her “husband” had three children. After the last child entered college they decided they didn’t want to be “married” any longer…so they requested an “annullment” from the church. My friend received paperwork to complete and was asked several questions. He didn’t want to fill out the paperwork because he did not feel his sister and her “husband” had any reason to “divorce” other than they had found new love interests.

The annulment was granted…most of us do not see the distinction between “divorce” and “annullment”, even though there is a lengthy process by the church to determine if a “sacramental marriage” took place by two active Catholics “married” for over twenty years and who’ve put three kids through college and have numerous grandchildren.

From what my friend indicates, while some annullments are not granted, if one insures that the questions are answered “just so” in many cases it will be…as I stated earlier the fine distinctions between Protestant “divorce” and Catholic “annullment” is lost on most of us.
Hi Publisher. Father also talked about annullment. I think it should have been seen all over the world. It could show people alot.

He talked how marriage is a covenant. Just like God had with Moses, Abraham etc.

So two People go before God and make this promise. IF they both under their own free will meant it and said it its valid. But alot of times things are hidden. Sometimes one or both were not there for the right reason. Never really intended to live up to the vows. Or like Father said many cannot begin to live up to a marriage for they have no clue what a marriage really is. They were never shown.

But to get a annullment you must PROVE that there really was never a true covenant in the first place. ANd one or sometimes both were not capable if making that promise

Now if time goes on and you find that the two indeed were capable at the time, but for some reason the hate or abuse is too strong you can get what the Church calls a legal separation. What this means is you can live apart. But cannot date, etc have sex etc until the other party passes. Then you can date, remarry. But see you are not breaking you covenant. In the eyes of God you are still married until the other dies.

If you have 2 people who really love their faith, and refuse to give up communion for another person they will abide by this. And sometimes that time apart show’s them that maybe trying harder and getting help is better than being alone also. And the church can assist in this with prayer, and people to help. But the CHurch will do all it can to help this marriage if indeed it is a marriage to be saved.

But there are many who just want out. Because its too hard, money, and that is not good enough. You must prove and have others prove it was never a valid commitment in the first place. And this is not easy. But unfortunately it happens. But you must understand what need’s to be proven for an annullment before you could begin to understand the difference between it and divorce.

Anyone can get a divorce. You can get it for whatever reason you want. Not a annullment.
 
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Understood, however most Protestants do not see the distinction between their “divorces” and Catholic “annullments”. True, there is no “formal” process where the respective religious body declares the marriage “void” there by granting the petitioners permission to “remarry”.

[SIGN]To many of us, declaring a marriage “null” after thirty years of “marriage” doesn’t make a lot of sense, especially if the Catholics have been involved in their church for those years [/SIGN]and would “assume” that within that time frame they would have been instructed sufficiently about what a “marriage” really is and corrected the situation.

Within many Protestant communities, a couple who gets a “divorce” also “divorce” themselves from their faith tradition as well.

I have a very good friend who’s Catholic. His sister was “married” for over twenty years and she and her “husband” had three children. After the last child entered college they decided they didn’t want to be “married” any longer…so they requested an “annullment” from the church. My friend received paperwork to complete and was asked several questions. He didn’t want to fill out the paperwork because he did not feel his sister and her “husband” had any reason to “divorce” other than they had found new love interests.

The annulment was granted…most of us do not see the distinction between “divorce” and “annullment”, even though there is a lengthy process by the church to determine if a “sacramental marriage” took place by two active Catholics “married” for over twenty years and who’ve put three kids through college and have numerous grandchildren.

From what my friend indicates, while some annullments are not granted, if one insures that the questions are answered “just so” in many cases it will be…as I stated earlier the fine distinctions between Protestant “divorce” and Catholic “annullment” is lost on most of us.
See thats just it. Because you do not know what that marriage was for 30 years. I knew a person who found out the other was gay. But for the sake of the Children kept up the false marriage for the sake of the Children. If you think being Gay is something today try 20 years ago. The kids would have had a life of pure hell. Trust me alot of men hid it from women too in those days. Its not like today. So if one is gay and thought marriage would FIX it and it did not, Is it the other inocent persons fault. Or would you agree that was never a true marriage from the get to?
 
This might be off mark to the thread’s theme - but King Henry VIII just came to my mind.

Some Catholics get angry with the church because they cannot get away with divorce if their marriage does not work out. Many of them have become ex-Catholics.

Again, a saying comes to mind - if you ignore the fact it does not mean that the fact will get away. No matter how hard it is to accept that Jesus did not teach divorces, ignoring it would not change this teaching. 🤷
You are quite correct Geuben. I have so many protestants say that divorce was okay. Even when Jesus came and again said NO!

I think that People do not realize divorce is a marriage ended. Annullment is a marriage that never existed. 2 very different things.
 
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See thats just it. Because you do not know what that marriage was for 30 years. I knew a person who found out the other was gay. But for the sake of the Children kept up the false marriage for the sake of the Children. If you think being Gay is something today try 20 years ago. The kids would have had a life of pure hell. Trust me alot of men hid it from women too in those days. Its not like today. So if one is gay and thought marriage would FIX it and it did not, Is it the other inocent persons fault. Or would you agree that was never a true marriage from the get to?
I understand the distinctions you are seeking to make. I may not agree that there is a distinction between what a Protestant calls a “divorce” and a Catholic calls an “annullment”…but I understand YOU do. I think the whole “Protestants allow divorce while Catholics don’t” has a lot to do with our understanding of the terms used. From a Protestant view “annulment” is just a “nice word” for “divorce” among Catholics…it is a word used to make a distinction between the “letter” of the law and the “spirit” of the law, so to speak.

“If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck” it may as well be a duck for all intents and purposes. Whether one declares their marriage is over through “divorce” or one declares their “marriage” is over because it “really never happened” even though they lived as man and wife for 30 years and raised three children together…is “hair splitting” to most Protestants.

I understand why “annullment” is OK with Catholics and why “divorce” is not…I don’t accept the distinctions necessarily as readily as Catholics do. Two people who pledged themselves in marriage to one another…are married…whether they understood all the ins and outs to the “nth” degree at the time does not necessarily make the marriage “null and void”…to many of us it is a distinction of “legalism”…that’s why it’s difficult to discuss marriage and divorce when one doesn’t draw such a fine distinction between “divorce” and “annullment”. It’s not an indictment on either tradition…they are just different.
 
God’s stand and His view on divorce are pretty much clear when we look at Malachi 2:16.
Marriage is a lifetime commitment (see also Matthew 19:6), but the Lord has also provided for divorce and laid down laws governing divorce because we are sinful creatures (Deuteronomy 24:1-4). In these laws He protects the rights of the divorcees, especially the women. These laws were given because of the hardness of people’s hearts, not because they were God’s desire. (see Matthew 19:8)
Jesus however tells us precisely how strict this law is (and for a good reason as we see in todays society). Today we see that many don’t even try to stick together, because if both partners sincerely try and be merciful and graceful we wouldn’t have as many divorces and bad marriages in the first place. There is an exception to the rule that there should be no divorce and that is in the case of immorality as laid out by Jesus Christ Himself:
Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9 tell us about this…
The Greek word that is translated here as “immorality” can mean anything from fornication, prostitution to adultery and any other sexual immorality…
However even though adultery might be allowing us to divorce we should consider that this does not mean that one has to get a divorce… God has forgiven us much more than that and we should remember that.
 
I understand the distinctions you are seeking to make. I may not agree that there is a distinction between what a Protestant calls a “divorce” and a Catholic calls an “annullment”…but I understand YOU do. I think the whole “Protestants allow divorce while Catholics don’t” has a lot to do with our understanding of the terms used. From a Protestant view “annulment” is just a “nice word” for “divorce” among Catholics…it is a word used to make a distinction between the “letter” of the law and the “spirit” of the law, so to speak.

“If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck” it may as well be a duck for all intents and purposes. Whether one declares their marriage is over through “divorce” or one declares their “marriage” is over because it “really never happened” even though they lived as man and wife for 30 years and raised three children together…is “hair splitting” to most Protestants.

I understand why “annullment” is OK with Catholics and why “divorce” is not…I don’t accept the distinctions necessarily as readily as Catholics do. Two people who pledged themselves in marriage to one another…are married…whether they understood all the ins and outs to the “nth” degree at the time does not necessarily make the marriage “null and void”…to many of us it is a distinction of “legalism”…that’s why it’s difficult to discuss marriage and divorce when one doesn’t draw such a fine distinction between “divorce” and “annullment”. It’s not an indictment on either tradition…they are just different.
Hi Publisher:

I think maybe you are thinking of marriage in the civil sense and not the Spiritual sense. People sometimes get married, have children, and appear to have perfect marriages and there are things unknown to you and I that are un-Spiritual about their marriages. The Church believes that this initiates out of less than “valid” marriage. That is marriage that is not “blessed”. To be blessed or consecrated by the Church certain things must happen. Both people must be of age to legally marry according to civil law. Both people must be baptized. Both people must fully and consciously consent to the marriage. Both people must intend to have a faithful, fruitfull (bear children) marriage. Both people must intend to raise said children in the catholic faith. And the intended couple are counseled on these matters. The couple is then married in a catholic Church (unliess given permission to marry outside the Church), by a catholic priest.

All of these things make the marriage two things: Valid and Sacramental.

If all of these things are present, one will most likely not be granted a decree of nullity. If one or all of these things are absent, then there is an inquiry as to whether the marriage was at least “valid”. That is, outside the Church, but still a marriage in the eyes of God.

This inquiry is not an inquiry into the present state of the marriage, but rather the state of the marriage at the time of consent. This is very important. If a couple lives seemingly happily until today, one of two things could be present: They could have been miserable the whole time - say one or the other married just for financial gain, or they just plain grew apart.

Either way, they may be granted a decree of nullity if the Tribunal believes the marriage was invalid at the time of consent for one of the reasons stated above because that would make a marriage less likely to ever last in spite of what you and I see on the surface.

Take my case for instance, I was married for eight years and had a child. I was never happy. From day one, I was treated badly and all I wanted to do was get out but I couldn’t. I had a small child and wanted a family life for him.

But…I came from a divorced family. My father divorced my mother when I was young. So shortly after I decided that my marriage was not the way most marriages were, I knew I could eventually get divorced. That is compounded by the fact that I was “unchurched” as a child. I didn’t know the Biblical sense of marriage, only the civil sense of marriage. I thought divorce was just what people do to get out of marriages.

So, I’m not baptized and not raised in church. I was married at a young age and had a very skewed sense of marriage.

Do you think my marriage was doomed from the beginning? 😃

It’s okay, you can say yes. Why? Because God really never was a part of my marriage. That is why marriages should be valid (done by two Baptized people in church) and sacramental (by the catholic Church and by a priest if you are catholic).

The catholic Church considers most marriages outside the Church valid. It is not as easy as one might think to get even a marriage outside the Church annulled. The hardest ones to get annulled are the marriages where both were catholic at the time of marriage and they were married by a priest in the Church.

You can sort of kiss your annullment good-bye in that case. That would be like the Church saying it performs invalid, unsacramental marriages. 😊

Blessings,

HC
 
When I married it was with a Protestants minister and a Catholic priest.
Unfortunately I caved in to family preasures. After seven years, we got a divorce. I got married for wrong reasons and before I came to Christ.
When the divorce was finalized I got an annulement. The annulement was no more difficult than the divorce.
 
The number of annulments does not attest to the ease of getting one, it attests to the number of marriages that are between two people who were married without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

If you are granted an annulment, it should not be regarded as a pat on the back. It should be regarded as the recognition that you have entered into a marriage that was not only a mistake, but a pretty big one.

I’m not happy about the Pope looking at my application for “A Favor of the Faith”. I am rather embarrassed that the Holy Father has to be bothered with it at all. I should have known better, whether through my own conscience or by my parents teaching me.

Marriage should be taken seriously and should not require the Holy Father’s intervention or the intervention of the Tribunal. I’m not flippant about the matter at all. It is a very grave mistake to me. The good thing to come out of it is my son. But that still doesn’t undo the fact that his father probably should have been someone who would have been a better one and a better husband to me.

The Church can guide us on these things. If I had the guidance of the Church at the time, I would probably have made a different choice.

Blessings,

HC
 
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When I married it was with a Protestants minister and a Catholic priest.
Unfortunately I caved in to family preasures. After seven years, we got a divorce.[SIGN] I got married for wrong reasons and before I came to Christ.[/SIGN]When the divorce was finalized I got an annulement. The annulement was no more difficult than the divorce.
Hisalone you just stated you got married for the wrong reasons. Is that not what we are talking about here. If you got married for the right reasons your heart would have been in as your spouses and you would still be married.

In a Catholic Marriage there should never be family pressures, or wrong reasons. If you were pressured that in itself would be a cause for an annullment for goodness sakes.
 
The number of annulments does not attest to the ease of getting one, it attests to the number of marriages that are between two people who were married without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

If you are granted an annulment, it should not be regarded as a pat on the back. It should be regarded as the recognition that you have entered into a marriage that was not only a mistake, but a pretty big one.

I’m not happy about the Pope looking at my application for “A Favor of the Faith”. I am rather embarrassed that the Holy Father has to be bothered with it at all. I should have known better, whether through my own conscience or by my parents teaching me.

Marriage should be taken seriously and should not require the Holy Father’s intervention or the intervention of the Tribunal. I’m not flippant about the matter at all. It is a very grave mistake to me. The good thing to come out of it is my son. But that still doesn’t undo the fact that his father probably should have been someone who would have been a better one and a better husband to me.

The Church can guide us on these things. If I had the guidance of the Church at the time, I would probably have made a different choice.

Blessings,

HC
Thank you HC, And I think that Church is getting better and better at making classes a must, and bring married Couples in also to show them before they marry its not all hugs and kisses.
 
Interesting topic and interesting responses.

I have a question based on some of the responses. If a couple got “married” for all the “wrong reasons” which would invalidate the “marriage” should they seek an annullment…but never did so as they eventually came to love one another…would they be validly married?

If they never really had a “sacramental marriage” according to the church…would their marriage really be invalid?
 
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I understand the distinctions you are seeking to make. I may not agree that there is a distinction between what a Protestant calls a “divorce” and a Catholic calls an “annullment”…but I understand YOU do. I think the whole “Protestants allow divorce while Catholics don’t” has a lot to do with our understanding of the terms used. From a Protestant view “annulment” is just a “nice word” for “divorce” among Catholics…it is a word used to make a distinction between the “letter” of the law and the “spirit” of the law, so to speak.

“If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck” it may as well be a duck for all intents and purposes. Whether one declares their marriage is over through “divorce” or one declares their “marriage” is over because it “really never happened” even though they lived as man and wife for 30 years and raised three children together…is “hair splitting” to most Protestants.

I [SIGN]understand why “annullment” is OK with Catholics and why “divorce” is not[/SIGN]…I don’t accept the distinctions necessarily as readily as Catholics do. Two people who pledged themselves in marriage to one another…are married…whether they understood all the ins and outs to the “nth” degree at the time does not necessarily make the marriage “null and void”…to many of us it is a distinction of “legalism”…that’s why it’s difficult to discuss marriage and divorce when one doesn’t draw such a fine distinction between “divorce” and “annullment”. It’s not an indictment on either tradition…they are just different.
Actually you don’t. You think you do but you do not understand annullment at all. You still do not get the POINT. Which is there was never a marriage as in the way God wanted at all.

If two People got married in the eyes of God and were really in love and had all intentions to make the marriage work its a true marriage and had the seal of God on it.

But when one party never really had those intentions from the Get go it is not a marriage at all. IT started out as nothing but a Lie not a marriage.

BUt in order to prove this can be very difficult. You have no idea what people really have to go through. I have had many tell me how it was and it was pure hell on them and their family. BUt many also told me it was worth it also because it showed them also how they could and should have been better people.

A divorce is simply I don’t want to be married to you anymore and I want out. Then you turn around and go back to a church and do it again. Over and over. There is a big difference between the CC and other Church’s. Not all Protestant Church’s mind, but many.

And please do not say its easy. Look at Teddy Kennedy. He didn’t see it easy at all now did he. The CHurch said NO.

Don’t get me wrong people lie to Father, just to get what they want. But to lie in order to get an annullment what would be the gain. I mean God knows you lied. Do you really think he is going to consider that marriage valid. Please. I mean who cares what the world thinks. Its God who you gotta worry about. The world could actually care less. Just look around at divorce. No one cares.
 
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