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SPOKENWORD
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Benny Hinn does not do any healing. It is done only by the power of the Holy Spirit. It is by the FAITH of the individual that healing is taken place.Do not underestimate the Power of God. 
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SPOKENWORD
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I sometimes get lazy and wish not to retype. My appoligies for yelling at you. The Bible says many things. The problem is not properly interpreting it.
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robertaf
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Good Morning Church
I do not know of any healings with the ministers mentioned here. I do know that God heals through non-Catholic ministers, though.
We have had healings in our family over the years.
It is not the minister who is praying that does the healing. It is God.
I have known Protestants who had more faith in the Power of God than many Catholics.
It is true we have the fullness of truth. It is tremendously arrogant to believe that God only listens to us. We are all His Children and non Catholics are separated brothers and sisters. They love God, worship Him and in most cases obey Him just as we do. I am a convert. I was a Protestant up until I learned the truth about the Catholic Church and Peters role in the Church.
Catholics are every bit sinners as their non Catholic brothers and sisters. We need to remember that and pray for Unity and quit judging. That is the Lords job, all we were asked to do is Love one another.
I do not know of any healings with the ministers mentioned here. I do know that God heals through non-Catholic ministers, though.
We have had healings in our family over the years.
It is not the minister who is praying that does the healing. It is God.
I have known Protestants who had more faith in the Power of God than many Catholics.
It is true we have the fullness of truth. It is tremendously arrogant to believe that God only listens to us. We are all His Children and non Catholics are separated brothers and sisters. They love God, worship Him and in most cases obey Him just as we do. I am a convert. I was a Protestant up until I learned the truth about the Catholic Church and Peters role in the Church.
Catholics are every bit sinners as their non Catholic brothers and sisters. We need to remember that and pray for Unity and quit judging. That is the Lords job, all we were asked to do is Love one another.
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SPOKENWORD
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Just his personal oppinion. He wouldnt be saying anything if it was him that was healed. Stop looking at Benny Hinn and focus on the Lord and your faith.
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Monarchy
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He asked for people to check up on them, to see if they were, in fact, healed. Of the whopping five names given, they all were not better, more faith, maybe, but they were not better.Just his personal oppinion. He wouldnt be saying anything if it was him that was healed. Stop looking at Benny Hinn and focus on the Lord and your faith.
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CD4
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**I saw Benny Hinn in person once, and boy, was that ever an experience. Whole sections of the huge audience were “slain in the Spirit”, and he did some things that were just plain show business stuff. **
Also…Those around him…large men dressed in black, looked like thugs.
I do believe in miracles, and have know of real healings…Look at Mother Angelica…I was the blind as a newborn, and my grandmother “prayed” me into sight…
Having said that, I do believe one should be carefule about these things…There are definitely charlatons out there ready to rake in the money…You shold have seen the BUCKETS of money B. Hinn took in that night. He openly encouraged people to give large amounts…and they did…People threw pieces of clothing to him…He pretended not to be able to approach the pulpit…a force kept him away. It was awful…I wanted to go home!!! Was dragged there by a well meaning friend.
Also…Those around him…large men dressed in black, looked like thugs.
I do believe in miracles, and have know of real healings…Look at Mother Angelica…I was the blind as a newborn, and my grandmother “prayed” me into sight…
Having said that, I do believe one should be carefule about these things…There are definitely charlatons out there ready to rake in the money…You shold have seen the BUCKETS of money B. Hinn took in that night. He openly encouraged people to give large amounts…and they did…People threw pieces of clothing to him…He pretended not to be able to approach the pulpit…a force kept him away. It was awful…I wanted to go home!!! Was dragged there by a well meaning friend.
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Monarchy
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Just found an iteresting link here that tells about Hinn’s Praise the Lord fiasco in Papua New Guinea. He made the country out to be full of headhunters and cannibals despite the fact that PNG is 98.6% christian (including over 600,000 penecostals). The real truth doesn’t matter, if it gets people to send in checks to evangelize those godless heathens.:tsktsk:
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RomanRyan1088
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Well, well, well, ain’t this funny, I was just watching his show right when I saw this thread. I got to say, I don’t believe a word of what Benny Hinn says. I have although witnessed a ‘Slaying of the Spirit’ ina Catholic Church also. But my Priest doesn’t own a Jet, or a Mansion. I was troubled though when when Benny’s show was starting, I saw a Picture with him and the Pope!? And also with Mother Teresa?! Can someone please explain this to me?
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RomanRyan1088
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But remeber what JC said:
**Matt. 10:21 **
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou
hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
**10:22 **
And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
**10:23 **
And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the
kingdom of God!
**10:24 **
And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard
is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
**10:25 **
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the
kingdom of God.
This is why I respect catholics more than other denomonations (even though I am not a christian), Because the priests and nuns put their spiritual “money where there mouth is” so to speak.**/**QUOTE]
Thats a nice thing to say!
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CD4
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Trick photography?
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jmm08
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MIRACLES AND HEALINGS:
If religious trappings are separate from God, they are empty. And God says that our righteousness is as filthy rags. Protestant miracles and healings can be no better than Roman Catholic healings or Jewish miracles and healings. All are really non-existent. Why? Because if there are Divine Miracles and Healings, it is God who does it. As with the weather, farmers know that the rain falls on the rich man’s crop, the poor man’s crop, the righteous man’s crop and the wicked man’s crop.
Why does God give miracles and healings? And, yes I know that He still does. But not in any way that robs any of us of our faith. The skeptic will always find room for some “scientific” explanation. The envious will find some explanation to put it down. Anyone without “Eyes to See and Ears to Hear” will miss it. And you don’t need to be inside a church. Jesus can reach you just where you are (even Billy Graham says that, doesn’t he?) But Jesus can reach you better if you are willing to go to Church each Sunday.
Never be a doubter and look for miracles and healings as a sign that you should believe. In that frame, you won’t see it – even the Pharisees didn’t see it as a Divine Miracle when Jesus healed a blind man. Without Faith it is impossible to please God. If God gave you that big miracle that you are looking for (so you can believe), then he would be taking from you your ability to please God. Which is more important? Your ability to have faith so you can please God. Hebrews 11:1 says “Faith is the realization of what is hoped for and evidence 2 of things not seen.” So if you see it, it is too late to have faith. If you cannot please God at all with your life, then you are in trouble.
Years ago, I went to Montreal Canada – and saw a Roman Catholic chapel where there was a large number of crutches and other devices that handicapped people left when they no longer needed them. I was amazed, and somebody there told me that they remove them sometimes, otherwise they all pile up and take up too much room. So if you are Catholic, I am convinced there is no need to leave the Church to find miracles outside the Church. Look to God first, and you need Faith, Hope, and Love (just as the Rosary reminds us – and just as in St. Paul’s First letter to Corinthians).
When you study miracles in the Bible – there is something always present. Love. With love they lowered a man through a roof for Jesus to heal. Jesus healed people because He loved them. I doubt if there is ever any miracle without love somewhere. There may sometimes be somebody not spoken of in the written account who had great love for the infirm individual(s). Perhaps a parent was looking on.
And Jesus sometimes did not do much in certain places because of their unbelief. So faith is also very important in miracles.
And without Hope, one would not come to Christ.
So Faith, Hope and Love are all needed for miracles and healings.
Someone I knew once went to a Kathryn Kuhlman meeting. They told me that Kathryn Kuhlman always spent time to stir up an atmosphere of love (sometimes this was done before K. K. got there). I am not going to judge Kathryn Kuhlman or Benny Hinn (he was under her years ago). I think that is what the Bible tells me (not to judge other individuals).
Mark 9:40 says “For whoever is not against us is for us.”
I saw Benny Hinn once about 22 years ago. I was often going to an Assembly of God Church (in State College PA). Benny Hinn came one time (by himself). What happened didn’t seem too much different than what happened other times in that Church. And I’m not saying that nothing happened. I don’t watch Benny Hinn on TV today. I know then that he did not claim credit for healings or miracles. He always said “Glory to God” and “Thank you Jesus”.
I firmly believe that the miracles and healings are for us today, if we have Faith, Hope and Love and if it pleases God to do it.
If religious trappings are separate from God, they are empty. And God says that our righteousness is as filthy rags. Protestant miracles and healings can be no better than Roman Catholic healings or Jewish miracles and healings. All are really non-existent. Why? Because if there are Divine Miracles and Healings, it is God who does it. As with the weather, farmers know that the rain falls on the rich man’s crop, the poor man’s crop, the righteous man’s crop and the wicked man’s crop.
Why does God give miracles and healings? And, yes I know that He still does. But not in any way that robs any of us of our faith. The skeptic will always find room for some “scientific” explanation. The envious will find some explanation to put it down. Anyone without “Eyes to See and Ears to Hear” will miss it. And you don’t need to be inside a church. Jesus can reach you just where you are (even Billy Graham says that, doesn’t he?) But Jesus can reach you better if you are willing to go to Church each Sunday.
Never be a doubter and look for miracles and healings as a sign that you should believe. In that frame, you won’t see it – even the Pharisees didn’t see it as a Divine Miracle when Jesus healed a blind man. Without Faith it is impossible to please God. If God gave you that big miracle that you are looking for (so you can believe), then he would be taking from you your ability to please God. Which is more important? Your ability to have faith so you can please God. Hebrews 11:1 says “Faith is the realization of what is hoped for and evidence 2 of things not seen.” So if you see it, it is too late to have faith. If you cannot please God at all with your life, then you are in trouble.
Years ago, I went to Montreal Canada – and saw a Roman Catholic chapel where there was a large number of crutches and other devices that handicapped people left when they no longer needed them. I was amazed, and somebody there told me that they remove them sometimes, otherwise they all pile up and take up too much room. So if you are Catholic, I am convinced there is no need to leave the Church to find miracles outside the Church. Look to God first, and you need Faith, Hope, and Love (just as the Rosary reminds us – and just as in St. Paul’s First letter to Corinthians).
When you study miracles in the Bible – there is something always present. Love. With love they lowered a man through a roof for Jesus to heal. Jesus healed people because He loved them. I doubt if there is ever any miracle without love somewhere. There may sometimes be somebody not spoken of in the written account who had great love for the infirm individual(s). Perhaps a parent was looking on.
And Jesus sometimes did not do much in certain places because of their unbelief. So faith is also very important in miracles.
And without Hope, one would not come to Christ.
So Faith, Hope and Love are all needed for miracles and healings.
Someone I knew once went to a Kathryn Kuhlman meeting. They told me that Kathryn Kuhlman always spent time to stir up an atmosphere of love (sometimes this was done before K. K. got there). I am not going to judge Kathryn Kuhlman or Benny Hinn (he was under her years ago). I think that is what the Bible tells me (not to judge other individuals).
Mark 9:40 says “For whoever is not against us is for us.”
I saw Benny Hinn once about 22 years ago. I was often going to an Assembly of God Church (in State College PA). Benny Hinn came one time (by himself). What happened didn’t seem too much different than what happened other times in that Church. And I’m not saying that nothing happened. I don’t watch Benny Hinn on TV today. I know then that he did not claim credit for healings or miracles. He always said “Glory to God” and “Thank you Jesus”.
I firmly believe that the miracles and healings are for us today, if we have Faith, Hope and Love and if it pleases God to do it.
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RomanRyan1088
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CD4 said:
Oh, maybe! :yup:
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flameburns623
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Some responses. First: be aware that I utterly disdain such souls as Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyer Ministries where it seems self-evident that they are gleaning far more than their needs from their ministries.
HOWEVER: Large-scale ministries often ‘require’ such things as jets: if one is to serve people in Papua New Guinea on Sunday, Birmingham Alabama on Tuesday, Montreal, Canada on Wednesday, London, England on Friday and Saturday, and Bonn, Germany on Sunday----one often cannot risk being tied-down to the schedules of the mass airlines. Moreover–it may be better stewardship to ‘own’ one’s jet than to ‘rent’ one, either by travelling the mass airlines or by using charter services. I can drive my car from St. Louis to southwest Missouri far more cheaply than I can take Greyhound, and do it more quickly. Which ‘brand’ one buys is often as much a role of maintenance and other factors: it may be that ‘Lear Jets’ provide service agreements, have fewer mechanical isues, etcetera. Nor do I entirely scorn the fact that a Lear Jet may simply have more amenities than another brand. Remember: in the example I just gave, our fictive evangelist was in five widely-separated countries in about 7 days. She or he needs time to prepare sermons or messages, as well as manage the administrative details of a large-scale minister. S/He needs to arrive rested and able to sustain the effort involved in addressing audiences and serving them in whatever capacity his/her ministry calls them to do. I suspect that we could easily quibble about the exact choices that many of these mass evangelists make, but do not underestimate the degree to which some of the amenities of their ministry are actually necessities, if such a ministry is to be sustained.
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flameburns623
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So far as ‘mansions’. A pastor of a small parish or congregation can readily remain ‘close’ to his people. They know him, he knows them, and the inconveniences of being ‘on-call’ virtually night and day are not usually crushing. A majority of successful ministers find at some point that they must withdraw to some degree from their congregants: they can no longer personally rush to ‘lay hands on’ MaryJo’s colicky newborn, nor sit with elderly Jim Johnson on Old Man Jim’s front porch for three hours just to help the oldster fend off loneliness. They can no longer be the one who takes the midnight calls of their alcoholic members, nor calls from the abused spouse of the alcoholics. And they can no longer afford to have an ‘open door’ policy at their home. Hopefully they don’t allow themselves to become totally alienated from their people, hopefully they ensure that the needs of MaryJo’s baby and Old Man Jim and the other congregants are duly delegated to others. But the fact is that as congregations grow, the senior pastors need to create some measure of ‘personal space’ not only to serve their congregations but for themselves and their families.
It’s not much different in the Roman Catholic Church. I’m not a Catholic but I have a fair-to-middlin’ idea of where the Roman Catholic church here in Wood River is. I could drive over there right now, find the rectory, ring the bell, and tell the priest who answers that I’m trying to illustrate a point about clerical accessibility for the Catholic Answers forum, shake the fellow’s hand and come right back home, probably before the screen saver on my computer kicked-on. Leaving a local priest convinced that he is living in a town with at least one totally-bonkers resident. (I am NOT going to do this, y’understand–I’m just making a point).
Getting to see whoever is the Catholic bishop around here would be a tad trickier. First of all I’d have to find out where he is–Belleville or Springfield would be my guesses, but for all I know the diociese in southern Illinois stretches clear to Indiana and the bishop lives in Indianapolis. Once I found where the fellow is at, I could possibly finagle a meeting over coffee at a Starbucks–but I’d have to go through some sort of secretary and make an appointment and so forth. The spontaneity of just ‘popping over’ to the parish rectory vanishes–bishops have more people and more administrative issues to manage.
Getting in to see the Archbishop or Cardinal or whatever he is, over at the Cathedral in St. Louis, would be progressively more difficult. Especially right at this moment since they’ve just appointed a new guy from Wisconsin to take over from Archbishop or Cardinal Justin Linguini (??? is that really his name??? man I hate working night shifts!!! I just listened to the guy on the Catholic radio station last night and can’t remember his name OR his job title). Anyhow, the new guy is the one who won’t give communion to pro-choice politicians; I vaguely think I recollect someone saying he’s a black man. Anyhow, no matter how ‘nice’ a fellow the new guy in charge at the St. Louis Cathedral is–it would NOT be easy for someone to just have a casual cup of coffee with him. And certainly not in a public place like a Starbuck’s.
Point being: mass evangelists do many of the same things: they have to limit how many informal ‘casual’ contacts they maintain or they would never be able to perform their ministries. This is not to suggest that far too many such mass evangelists are not guilty of wickedly conspicuous excessive consumption, only that one should be somewhat charitable in judging at least some of the decisions they are compelled to make just in order to minister.
It’s not much different in the Roman Catholic Church. I’m not a Catholic but I have a fair-to-middlin’ idea of where the Roman Catholic church here in Wood River is. I could drive over there right now, find the rectory, ring the bell, and tell the priest who answers that I’m trying to illustrate a point about clerical accessibility for the Catholic Answers forum, shake the fellow’s hand and come right back home, probably before the screen saver on my computer kicked-on. Leaving a local priest convinced that he is living in a town with at least one totally-bonkers resident. (I am NOT going to do this, y’understand–I’m just making a point).
Getting to see whoever is the Catholic bishop around here would be a tad trickier. First of all I’d have to find out where he is–Belleville or Springfield would be my guesses, but for all I know the diociese in southern Illinois stretches clear to Indiana and the bishop lives in Indianapolis. Once I found where the fellow is at, I could possibly finagle a meeting over coffee at a Starbucks–but I’d have to go through some sort of secretary and make an appointment and so forth. The spontaneity of just ‘popping over’ to the parish rectory vanishes–bishops have more people and more administrative issues to manage.
Getting in to see the Archbishop or Cardinal or whatever he is, over at the Cathedral in St. Louis, would be progressively more difficult. Especially right at this moment since they’ve just appointed a new guy from Wisconsin to take over from Archbishop or Cardinal Justin Linguini (??? is that really his name??? man I hate working night shifts!!! I just listened to the guy on the Catholic radio station last night and can’t remember his name OR his job title). Anyhow, the new guy is the one who won’t give communion to pro-choice politicians; I vaguely think I recollect someone saying he’s a black man. Anyhow, no matter how ‘nice’ a fellow the new guy in charge at the St. Louis Cathedral is–it would NOT be easy for someone to just have a casual cup of coffee with him. And certainly not in a public place like a Starbuck’s.
Point being: mass evangelists do many of the same things: they have to limit how many informal ‘casual’ contacts they maintain or they would never be able to perform their ministries. This is not to suggest that far too many such mass evangelists are not guilty of wickedly conspicuous excessive consumption, only that one should be somewhat charitable in judging at least some of the decisions they are compelled to make just in order to minister.
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SPOKENWORD
Guest
He said the magic word, MORE FAITH. Thats what is needed for a healing.
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Mike_C
Guest
I find it interesting that the “miracles” occur when the camera is rolling. Why do miracles have to occur at a special time? And not when the cameras are focused on those people?
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SPOKENWORD
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Mike C:
Just like in Jesus time the more that would see miracles, the more peoples Faith would grow. Gods annoiting is perfect,its not in our timing,its Gods timing.
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Monarchy
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I said that the people had more faith, but were not any better. Also from what I understand in the bible, when God heals, he does so totaly and instantly, not just getting them ‘on the road’.He said the magic word, MORE FAITH. Thats what is needed for a healing.
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jmm08
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I’m not accusing anyone or judging anyone in this post.
I think that there is a trap when a minister starts to grow dependent on money from performing his ministry. Sometimes the trap clamps down on the minister. Sometimes on the minister’s spouse. If the result of the trap becomes a desire to get more money, then it isn’t far from being over.
My new Baptist minister is getting over $100,000 a year (and this is the first church he has been pastor). So you see what I mean. It can happen to anyone (I think especially among Protestants).
This is yet another thing that makes me think Catholic (I plan to go to RCIA this year). The Church knows where there is danger for its clergy. For one thing, not getting married. How would that look for the Church for clergy getting divorces? And I know first-hand, that getting married to the wrong person can easily bring the end of God working in your ministry. Mortal Sin stops up genuine ministry real fast. And it seems to me that most Protestant denominations do not have an easy remedy for Mortal Sin (it is best to take the Holy Sacraments of Confession and Penance as they are validly administered by authorized ordained Priests).
And the vast majority in Catholic religious life do not get wealthy (some even have a vow of poverty). Years ago, many did not have cars (I recall seeing Nuns or Priests on Greyhound buses any time they needed to move to another city or town – and with very little in terms of personal possessions). That with celibacy tells you that they are not in it for money. They are sincere.
The only people who see a miracle are those with “ears to hear and eyes to see”. The skeptic will always find room for some “scientific” explanation. The envious will find some explanation to put it down.
Never be a doubter and look for miracles and healings as a sign that you should believe. In that mindset, you won’t see it - even the Pharisees didn’t see it as a Divine Miracle when Jesus healed a blind man. Without Faith it is impossible to please God. If God gives you that big miracle that you look for (so you can believe), He would take from you your ability to please God. Which is more important? Your ability to have faith so you can please God. Hebrews 11:1 says “Faith is the realization of what is hoped for and evidence of things not seen.” So if you see it, it is too late to have faith. If you had everything already, your hope wouldn’t grow. If you cannot please God at all with your life, then you are in trouble.
Just as it is on the rosary (near the cross) and in 1 Cor 13, Faith Hope and Love.
I think that there is a trap when a minister starts to grow dependent on money from performing his ministry. Sometimes the trap clamps down on the minister. Sometimes on the minister’s spouse. If the result of the trap becomes a desire to get more money, then it isn’t far from being over.
My new Baptist minister is getting over $100,000 a year (and this is the first church he has been pastor). So you see what I mean. It can happen to anyone (I think especially among Protestants).
This is yet another thing that makes me think Catholic (I plan to go to RCIA this year). The Church knows where there is danger for its clergy. For one thing, not getting married. How would that look for the Church for clergy getting divorces? And I know first-hand, that getting married to the wrong person can easily bring the end of God working in your ministry. Mortal Sin stops up genuine ministry real fast. And it seems to me that most Protestant denominations do not have an easy remedy for Mortal Sin (it is best to take the Holy Sacraments of Confession and Penance as they are validly administered by authorized ordained Priests).
And the vast majority in Catholic religious life do not get wealthy (some even have a vow of poverty). Years ago, many did not have cars (I recall seeing Nuns or Priests on Greyhound buses any time they needed to move to another city or town – and with very little in terms of personal possessions). That with celibacy tells you that they are not in it for money. They are sincere.
The only people who see a miracle are those with “ears to hear and eyes to see”. The skeptic will always find room for some “scientific” explanation. The envious will find some explanation to put it down.
Never be a doubter and look for miracles and healings as a sign that you should believe. In that mindset, you won’t see it - even the Pharisees didn’t see it as a Divine Miracle when Jesus healed a blind man. Without Faith it is impossible to please God. If God gives you that big miracle that you look for (so you can believe), He would take from you your ability to please God. Which is more important? Your ability to have faith so you can please God. Hebrews 11:1 says “Faith is the realization of what is hoped for and evidence of things not seen.” So if you see it, it is too late to have faith. If you had everything already, your hope wouldn’t grow. If you cannot please God at all with your life, then you are in trouble.
Just as it is on the rosary (near the cross) and in 1 Cor 13, Faith Hope and Love.
M
mark_a
Guest
I was friends with a kid whose dad was watching Jimmy Swaggert on tv while his family was at church. When they got home from church, dad was crying tears of joy because Rev. Swaggert had healed dad’s eye problem. From my point of view, it was very real.
But within a year or so, the eyesight was as bad as ever. I am of the (possibly unfounded) opinion that when God heals someone, they are healed. But who knows?
But within a year or so, the eyesight was as bad as ever. I am of the (possibly unfounded) opinion that when God heals someone, they are healed. But who knows?
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