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Yes ,God does heal,its satan that comes along and steals it .
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You could also look at the Jews in The Acts of the Apostles who tried to cast out a demon by Jesus’ name. The demon said, I know Jesus and I know Paul but who are you.How about when the apostles complained to Jesus about casting out demons by non christians. Jesus reply was if they are for us they then cannot be against us.
The spirit would not listen. He terrorized them.
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flameburns623
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A correction: apparently the new Archbishop or Cardinal–whichever it is they have over at the Cathedral in St. Louis has taken over from a fellow named Justin Rogali (or possibly, Ragali). I knew ‘Linguini’ didn’t sound right. I’m still not certain what his title was: Archbishop? Cardinal? ‘Cardinal’ might make sense since it’d explain how our ball team came to have it’s name–but it might also be a tad too cutesey, I dunno. It’s not central to my point and certainly not key to this thread but wanted to correct what I could. No offense intended.
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jimmy
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So your saying that satan came and blinded the man again.Yes ,God does heal,its satan that comes along and steals it .
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SPOKENWORD
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YES, its satan that brings on sickness and diseases. Our God wants us whole,sometimes sin will cause us to lose our healings or bring on infirmities…
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Yes, Jimmy thats true also. I believe our Lord is saying that if we are going to cast out demons in His name ,then we have to be certain that there is no sin in our lives. If we do, then satan will laugh and spit us out.
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Curious
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This is off the subject a bit but are you SURE about that number?
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SojournerOf78
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Hi Spokenword…Yes, Jimmy thats true also. I believe our Lord is saying that if we are going to cast out demons in His name ,then we have to be certain that there is no sin in our lives. If we do, then satan will laugh and spit us out.
Ive seen numerous posts of yours mentioning FAITH. First of all to address your post quoted above…nobody fits your bill for being able to cast out demons since none of us are without sin so your interpretation must be faulty. Second, scripture (Acts of the Apostles) records the disciples and Apostles of the Lord becoming sick and then remaining sick, are we to believe that the men performing miracles and healing the sick had no faith in God? Third the scriptures dont speak of Satan coming and stealing healings when people lapsed in faith…the verse usually quoted to push this idea is the parable of the sower which has nothing to do with healings, you cant play grab bag for the meanings of this verse and apply them wherever you want, Jesus explained the parable to the disciples, he was talking about believing that he was the messiah and seeking salvation through him. I would also like you to explain why anyone would, lets say, be healed of blindness and then began to doubt that they were healed??
Seriously, began looking at your stance on this issue from a different perspective, there are far reaching negative consequences of your thinking, for you and everybody you say these types of things to, you can devastate already hurting individuals by promising them something that just isnt going to happen and on top of that make them feel guilty as if it is their fault for as you would say, not having enough faith.
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Hi Sojourner, Let me try to clarify my belief.As far as being without sin ,of course none of us is sinless.The greatest heros of the bible were all great sinners,but God used them powerfully. My point there are times in our lives that we have no sin. Do you have sin after you go to confession? Your house is clean.Does the church have exorcists? They are sinless when they perform them.Hopefully point made Faith in Christ gives us the healing. . It was not the lacking of faith I was talking about, It was SIN after the healing that stole the healing. Ill give you an example, someone is healed of aids and a year later he gives into temptation and goes with a prostitute and picks up aids . It was the sin that caused to lose the healing. Hopefully point made. Ialso know there are exceptions in everything. I do understand where youre coming from.
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jimmy
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Satan does not cause us to get sick. the cause of our sicknesses is that we fell from Gods grace and we must die now.YES, its satan that brings on sickness and diseases. Our God wants us whole,sometimes sin will cause us to lose our healings or bring on infirmities…
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jimmy
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There is no where in that passage or anywhere near it in acts that mentions anything about being free from sin in order to cast out demons.Yes, Jimmy thats true also. I believe our Lord is saying that if we are going to cast out demons in His name ,then we have to be certain that there is no sin in our lives. If we do, then satan will laugh and spit us out.
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Chuck
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Diease, sickness, physical problems are all result of our fallen nature and not solely the acts of Satan. Satan and his demons are limited in their power but can interfer in our lives with illness.
These “faith healers” are con-men and women. They ultimately promote themselves and act on the faithful like rocky soil. Seed falls but they are soil for growth. People can be moved by the Holy Spirit when and wherever the trust in Him. Hinn and the rest of this group eventually fade away from the spotlight along with their “miracles”.
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These “faith healers” are con-men and women. They ultimately promote themselves and act on the faithful like rocky soil. Seed falls but they are soil for growth. People can be moved by the Holy Spirit when and wherever the trust in Him. Hinn and the rest of this group eventually fade away from the spotlight along with their “miracles”.
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Jimmy ,What causes us to fall from Gods grace? Its called SIN.
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That power and authority is given to us by Jesus Christ. If your going to do battle with satan the only weapons you have is his precious blood,his word,and his armour. Will our Lord allow you to do battle with sin in your life? Can satan cast out satan?
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Yes, you are correct but we sin of our own free will.Jimmy ,What causes us to fall from Gods grace? Its called SIN.
If I am healed of a sickness and then go and sin I will not be made sick again. God does not take away his healings because people sin. Everyone sins.
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Jimmy,Yes,it is of our free will to sin. Jimmy I disagree with you, God does not take away our healings. Its satan that does. The consequences of sin is death
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Spokenword, Gods peace be with you Theophilus,Jimmy,Yes,it is of our free will to sin. Jimmy I disagree with you, God does not take away our healings. Its satan that does. The consequences of sin is death
Could you please give me chapter and verse from any of the complete 73 books of Holy Scripture that support your opinions? I am looking for Scripture that supports your opinions.
In particular I was looking for verses that say we must have 'F’aith to be healed. Then what is the definition of 'F’aith? Is it 'f’aith in Jesus as our personnal Lord and Savior alone? 'f’aith in 73 books of Scripture alone? 'f’aith in an abbreviated and incomplete 66 books of Scripture alone? Some 'f’aith or all 'F’aith whether written or not? How much 'f’aith/'F’aith is enough?
Also, where in Sacred Scripture does it say Satan is more powerfull then God and can take away His gifts? Does Satan take away gifts or is it our “free will”?
Does sin cause us to get sick or is it natural? Does only Satan cause illness? If I have cancer it is from Satan?
Your answers only led me to more questions and I cannot follow the logic in your opinions. Please add some actual Scripture verses to help us/me see, understand and most importantly prove what you are saying. I really would like to see those verses and look foward to reading them.
A prisoner of Christ,
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Malachi, Ill give you two verses. one from Matt.15 vs.28also Mark 6 vs 34. These are two examples of faith that gave them their healing.Its our free will that allows us to sin. When we do sin, satan comes along and steals our healings. What do you think satans mission in this world is? satan is going around this world seeking the riun of souls.Do you honestly think the Lord inflicts us with diseases? Thats the reason for the cross. He took away our sickness and diseases. Sickness comes from the enemy. There was a case in scripture where someone was born blind. . The apostles asked was this man born blind or was it the sins of there ancestors? Jesus said neither but it was for the glory of God that this man be healed so that thier faith would be strenghened. With God all things are possible.
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jimmy
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Satan does not steal your healings if you lose faith. That would be a terrible thing for him to do. It would give people a reason to have faith. Satan will not fight against himself.Malachi, Ill give you two verses. one from Matt.15 vs.28also Mark 6 vs 34. These are two examples of faith that gave them their healing.Its our free will that allows us to sin. When we do sin, satan comes along and steals our healings. What do you think satans mission in this world is? satan is going around this world seeking the riun of souls.Do you honestly think the Lord inflicts us with diseases? Thats the reason for the cross. He took away our sickness and diseases. Sickness comes from the enemy. There was a case in scripture where someone was born blind. . The apostles asked was this man born blind or was it the sins of there ancestors? Jesus said neither but it was for the glory of God that this man be healed so that thier faith would be strenghened. With God all things are possible.
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Jimmy, I never said that. Its sin that steals our healings.
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