Protestant Ref. Accuracy on History

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I have mentioned a few times on the forums that a reason I am here is because of my World History teacher. Well, today he had this powerpoint:
geca-gusd-ca.schoolloop.com/file/1249633725675/1249633697936/3008752100425580207.ppt

I was not well equipped enough to be able to contradict him on the spot, but I know that this powerpoint has some inaccuracies.

If you would so kindly read the powerpoint, I would be most gracious if you could tell me some of the errors you found.

If you do not want or have the time to read it, then I would like some answers on these main points:
  1. What was the official stance on indulgences? Was it a small thing that not a large portion of the church used?
  2. (Although not listed in the powerpoint, my teacher did say Galileo was tortured) Is that true?
  3. How much of the Church was really “corrupted” during this era? Was the Pope “corrupted”? If so, how? Did his infallibility extend to the guilt of Luther?
  4. What was actually right in the 95 thesis, if any? Was Luther just uniformed on these points?
  5. Is it true that the teaching of being saved by God’s grace through faith and good works not official until Trent?
If possible, I would like some resources (aka links) to the appropriate answers. I would like to approach my teacher about this issue of misinformation before I get out of school for Thanksgiving on Wednesday.

Thank you all for you answers, as I know this is a lot to ask.
 
Timothy_Garber said:
I have mentioned a few times on the forums that a reason I am here is because of my World History teacher. Well, today he had this powerpoint:
geca-gusd-ca.schoolloop.com/file/1249633725675/1249633697936/3008752100425580207.ppt

I was not well equipped enough to be able to contradict him on the spot, but I know that this powerpoint has some inaccuracies.

If you would so kindly read the powerpoint, I would be most gracious if you could tell me some of the errors you found.

If you do not want or have the time to read it, then I would like some answers on these main points:
  1. What was the official stance on indulgences? Was it a small thing that not a large portion of the church used?
  2. (Although not listed in the powerpoint, my teacher did say Galileo was tortured) Is that true?
  3. How much of the Church was really “corrupted” during this era? Was the Pope “corrupted”? If so, how? Did his infallibility extend to the guilt of Luther?
  4. What was actually right in the 95 thesis, if any? Was Luther just uniformed on these points?
  5. Is it true that the teaching of being saved by God’s grace through faith and good works not official until Trent?
If possible, I would like some resources (aka links) to the appropriate answers. I would like to approach my teacher about this issue of misinformation before I get out of school for Thanksgiving on Wednesday.

Thank you all for you answers, as I know this is a lot to ask.
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I just did a brief scan through of the ppt.

Anyway…this is what came out as inaacuraries (to me):

Selling of indulgences…this is a misnomer…indulgences were not for sale, nor has the church taught that indulgences can be sold. I think the issue was…one could make a donation…and gain in indulgence…this is where the abuse occured, and a misunderstanding of the teaching.

Recommended reading: catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0097.html

Why Only Catholicism Can Make Protestantism Work: Louis Bouyer on the Reformation
MARK BRUMLEY
Louis Bouyer contends that the only way to safeguard the positive principles of the Reformation is through the Catholic Church. For only in the Catholic Church are the positive principles the Reformation affirmed found without the negative elements the Reformers mistakenly affixed to them.

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0027.html

Justification by Faith
PETER KREEFT
The Protestant Reformation began when a Catholic monk rediscovered a Catholic doctrine in a Catholic book.

The monk, of course, was Luther; the doctrine was justification by faith; and the book was the Bible. One of the tragic ironies of Christian history is that the deepest split in the history of the Church, and the one that has occasioned the most persecution, hatred, and bloody wars on both sides, from the Peasants’ War of Luther’s day through the Thirty Years’ War, which claimed a larger percentage of the population of many parts of central Europe than any other war in history, including the two world wars, to the present-day agony in Northern Ireland — this split between Protestant and Catholic originated in a misunderstanding. And to this day many Catholics and many Protestants still do not realize that fact.
 
bzkoss236 said:
Not sure how much it will help, but here’s some information:
catholic.com/tracts/primer-on-indulgences
catholic.com/tracts/myths-about-indulgences
catholic.com/tracts/the-galileo-controversy

I also suggest you pick up a copy of The Essential Catholic Survival Guide
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Thank you so much for the links! I will send them to my teacher, and, hopefully, something good will come out of this.

I’ll also see if I can get that book for Christmas… What else is such a worthy present?
 
pablope said:
I just did a brief scan through of the ppt.

Anyway…this is what came out as inaacuraries (to me):

Selling of indulgences…this is a misnomer…indulgences were not for sale, nor has the church taught that indulgences can be sold. I think the issue was…one could make a donation…and gain in indulgence…this is where the abuse occured, and a misunderstanding of the teaching.

Recommended reading: catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0097.html

Why Only Catholicism Can Make Protestantism Work: Louis Bouyer on the Reformation
MARK BRUMLEY
Louis Bouyer contends that the only way to safeguard the positive principles of the Reformation is through the Catholic Church. For only in the Catholic Church are the positive principles the Reformation affirmed found without the negative elements the Reformers mistakenly affixed to them.

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0027.html

Justification by Faith
PETER KREEFT
The Protestant Reformation began when a Catholic monk rediscovered a Catholic doctrine in a Catholic book.

The monk, of course, was Luther; the doctrine was justification by faith; and the book was the Bible. One of the tragic ironies of Christian history is that the deepest split in the history of the Church, and the one that has occasioned the most persecution, hatred, and bloody wars on both sides, from the Peasants’ War of Luther’s day through the Thirty Years’ War, which claimed a larger percentage of the population of many parts of central Europe than any other war in history, including the two world wars, to the present-day agony in Northern Ireland — this split between Protestant and Catholic originated in a misunderstanding. And to this day many Catholics and many Protestants still do not realize that fact.
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Thanks!

I don’t have time to look at the links now, but I will try to get back to them soon. 👍
 
By ‘public’ school, I meant government school, so I guess the answer is yes. I read the PPT and it seems awfully denominational for a government funded class.

Example: slide 31:
The Catholic Church: Limited literacy and access to the Bible. Incorporated pagan beliefs (polytheistic) to expand influence in Europe.
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It reads more like a comic book than a history lesson.

The author seems to believe that Gutenberg and his Bible were Protestant. That is quite incorrect.
  1. What was the official stance on indulgences? Was it a small thing that not a large portion of the church used?
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Indulgences were granted for contributions to the Church; for example, to build St. Peter’s Basilica. This was certainly wrong.
  1. (Although not listed in the powerpoint, my teacher did say Galileo was tortured) Is that true?
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No.
  1. How much of the Church was really “corrupted” during this era? Was the Pope “corrupted”? If so, how? Did his infallibility extend to the guilt of Luther?
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Some popes were certainly corrupt. That does not discredit the entire Catholic Church. Infallibility does not apply to the dispute with Luther.
  1. What was actually right in the 95 thesis, if any?
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Some were correct, some were not, from a Catholic viewpoint.
  1. Is it true that the teaching of being saved by God’s grace through faith and good works not official until Trent?
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No.
 
PaulfromIowa said:
By ‘public’ school, I meant government school, so I guess the answer is yes. I read the PPT and it seems awfully denominational for a government funded class.

Example: slide 31:

It reads more like a comic book than a history lesson.

The author seems to believe that Gutenberg and his Bible were Protestant. That is quite incorrect.

Indulgences were granted for contributions to the Church; for example, to build St. Peter’s Basilica. This was certainly wrong.

No.

Some popes were certainly corrupt. That does not discredit the entire Catholic Church. Infallibility does not apply to the dispute with Luther.

Some were correct, some were not, from a Catholic viewpoint.

No.
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Thank you. I talked to my teacher yesterday, and he said a few things:
  1. The evidence for Galileo’s torture is up to speculation, but he believes he was tortured because of the reputation of the inquisition.
  2. " Generally meaning if Luther contracted the Pope or the Church publicly he was automatically wrong." (what he said)
  3. “Catholic law general upholds any position held by the Pope as law.” (what he said)
Is there anything I should do from here? Or should I just drop the issue?
 
pablope said:
I just did a brief scan through of the ppt.

Anyway…this is what came out as inaacuraries (to me):

Selling of indulgences…this is a misnomer…indulgences were not for sale, nor has the church taught that indulgences can be sold. I think the issue was…one could make a donation…and gain in indulgence…this is where the abuse occured, and a misunderstanding of the teaching.

Recommended reading: catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0097.html

Why Only Catholicism Can Make Protestantism Work: Louis Bouyer on the Reformation
MARK BRUMLEY
Louis Bouyer contends that the only way to safeguard the positive principles of the Reformation is through the Catholic Church. For only in the Catholic Church are the positive principles the Reformation affirmed found without the negative elements the Reformers mistakenly affixed to them.

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0027.html

Justification by Faith
PETER KREEFT
The Protestant Reformation began when a Catholic monk rediscovered a Catholic doctrine in a Catholic book.

The monk, of course, was Luther; the doctrine was justification by faith; and the book was the Bible. One of the tragic ironies of Christian history is that the deepest split in the history of the Church, and the one that has occasioned the most persecution, hatred, and bloody wars on both sides, from the Peasants’ War of Luther’s day through the Thirty Years’ War, which claimed a larger percentage of the population of many parts of central Europe than any other war in history, including the two world wars, to the present-day agony in Northern Ireland — this split between Protestant and Catholic originated in a misunderstanding. And to this day many Catholics and many Protestants still do not realize that fact.
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Claims on the deaths in the 30 years war are exaggerated and frequently include the reduction in births based on many men away at war for long periods of time
Was it a religious war or a War to destroy the most powerful
Politically enity by its neighbors?
The last years were Catholic France against The Empire.
Its an extremely complex war that shaped modern Europe
 
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