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Title speaks for itself, tell what you honestly think, but with alot of charity brothers and sister. I’ll respond alittle later. 

RevoltTitle speaks for itself, tell what you honestly think, but with alot of charity brothers and sister. I’ll respond alittle later.![]()
FWIW, they thought that they were acting under their legitmate authority to resist tyranny.Reforms are effected under legitimate authority.
One does not establish their OWN authority.* Legitmate * authority is always granted, never created or grabbed.FWIW, they thought that they were acting under their legitmate authority to resist tyranny.
The latter, combined with the Reformers’ utter distrust of Catholics and refusal to accept the councils that were proposed, is why I think that the Reformation ended up being revolutionary. But the former is simply untrue. In fact, the notion that the Reformers were conciliarists is nearly undebated among medieval historians. Whether they were right to be conciliarists is another question entirely.There is no evidence that early “Reformers” (i.e. Luther and Calvin) were interested in any form of “conciliar government” as you assert. After setting up their own “churches” they brooked no dissent or alternative opinions.
Luther could not have been a great Saint because his attempts at reform were not done through the proper channels. For sixteen centuries, the Church had reformed herself through monastic reform and papal reform. He bypassed both reform methods which indicates that he really wasn’t interested in that kind of reform. He posted the 95 Theses as an attempt at discussion, but why would discussion be needed if all he was attacking was corruption in the Church? Furthermore, some of his most ardent opponents such as Erasmus and St. Thomas More had been mocking clerical corruption for years before Luther came on the scene. Luther was not about reforming clerical corruption or else they would have supported him rather than rejected him. His “reforms” were theological which means that he separated himself from the truth of the Church which means he could not have become a Saint unless he repented of his errors (which did not happen…in fact he got more radical as time went on).There have been Saints that have done reforms. Luther could have been a great Saint…because he had the right to be angry at what his Church had turned into at that time…but he should have trusted Matthew 16:18-19