Protestant "Saints" - Who would choose to "Canonize"

[Zundrah]

You are thinking of Martin Luther…not Martin Luther King

Oh, sorry, I didn’t realise!

P.S. when I said this;

Martin Luther King was a complete ****! He agreed to remove books from the bible, that’s why my protestant bible has less books in it!

…I didn’t swear… I simply called him a - T…w…a…t.

I wasn’t being vulgar!

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[Zundrah]

wow Zundra people are very patient with you I hope you see that:blush:

I know, patience is a vurtue… I need to focus more and stop being so silly…

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[JRKH]

I know, patience is a vurtue… I need to focus more and stop being so silly…

xxx zundrah xxx

You are doing fine.
I hope that you never loose your “silliness”.
Joy, laughter, and silliness are some of God’s greatests Gifts.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

Oddly enought I wouldn’t nominate many of the reformers as they were too violent. But as a former Protestant, now Catholic, I’d nominate the following -

Dietrich Bonhoeffer (German Lutheran Martyr)

John & Charles Wesley (Methodist founders)

Billy Graham (when he’s been dead long enough)

Gladys Aylward (Missionary to China)

David Livingstone (Missionary to Africa)

CS Lewis (Christian Writer and Apologist)

WIliam Wilberforce (Anti Slavery Campaigner)

James Hudson Taylor (China Missionary)

Rev. Robert Missenden (my old pastor - a bit discouraging, but definitely saintly - only been dead 17 years so far)

William and Catherine Booth (Founded the Salvos)

Martin Luther King (I’m not sure how much of the stories about infidelity hold water)

Mahatma Gandhi (non violent Indian politician)

The Buddha (original)

Watchman Nee (Chinese Christian writer - died in prison)

Paul Newman (Hollywood Actor - not strictly Protestant, but high moral standards & very charitable)

Albert Schweitzer (Missionary to AFrica, liberal theological ideas, but heart in the right place)

Fred Hollows (Atheist - helped thousands of third worlders to regain eye sight - bit rough around the edges)

Brother Andrew (Bible Smuggler to banned countries)

Mary Slessor (Missionary to Africa)

Florence NIghtingale (Nurse in Crimean War - bit of an old toughie, but saved a lot of lives)

George Muller (Founded orphanages on faith)

Sundar SIngh (Indian Christian)

Kanzo Uchimura (Japanese Christian during the Meiji era)

Abraham Lincoln (American President)

If I kept going I could find others, but that will do for a start.

WOW what a list. Thanks for posting.
As usual there are many I have never heard of and some that I know were mentioned earlier in the thread.

This is all great stuff folks and I thank everyone who has posted.
Keep them coming.

Peace
James

 

[Zundrah]

You are doing fine.
I hope that you never loose your “silliness”.
Joy, laughter, and silliness are some of God’s greatests Gifts.

Peace
James

LOL - Well JRKH,
if you want silliness then please look at these threads quickly!; :whacky:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=350456
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=356323
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=345902

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[Janet1983]

Just to name a few…

Michael Sattler (c. 1490 - 1527), former Catholic monk (during the reformation), one of the early leaders of the Anabaptist movement, very cruel execution (As part of his execution, his tongue was cut out, and red hot tongs were used to tear two pieces of flesh from his body. He was then taken outside the city by wagon, and the tongs were used on him five more times. After that, he was burned at the stake. The other men in the group were executed by sword, and the women, including his wife, were executed by drowning.)

Anne Askew (c. 1521 - 16 July 1546), English Protestant persecuted as a heretic, only woman ever tortured in the Tower of London, did not give names of fellow believers under torture, burnt at the stake on a chair as she was incapable of walking or standing after the torture

Felix Manz (c. 1498 – 5 January 1527), co-founder of the original Swiss Brethren Anabaptist congregation in Zürich, martyred in the Radical Reformation, death by “baptism”

George Blaurock (c. 1491 – 6 September 1529), co-founder of the Swiss Brethren in Zürich, Roman Catholic priest before his conversion, tortured for information and burned at the stake

John Wycliffe (d. 31 December 1384), translated the Bible into the English language from the Latin text in 1382, burned posthumous as a heretic

William Tyndale (c. 1494 – 1536), translated the Bible into English (the first English translation to draw directly from Hebrew and Greek texts), arrested on the orders of King Henry VIII, strangled and burned

Thomas Cranmer (2 July 1489 – 21 March 1556), Archbishop of Canterbury, martyred during the reign of “Bloody Mary” (Queen Mary I)

John Rogers (c.1500 – 1555), translator, burned
His work was largely used by those who prepared the Great Bible (1539-40), and from this came the Bishops’ Bible (1568) and the King James Version.

William Hunter (c. 1536 – 1555), got into a dispute when reading the Bible in Brentwood Chapel, refused to accept transubstantiation, martyred during the reign of “Bloody Mary” (Queen Mary I)

Robert Barnes (c. 1495 – 30 July 1540), former monk, evangelical preacher, burnt at the stake

John Badby (d. 1410), tailor condemned by the Worcester diocesan court for his denial of transubstantiation

John Lambert (d. 1538), burned for his denial of transubstantiation

Hugh Latimer (c. 1485 - 16 October 1555), bishop of Worcester, martyred during the reign of “Bloody Mary” (Queen Mary I)

Walter Milne (d. April 1558), former Roman Catholic priest, the last Protestant martyr to be burned in Scotland before the Scottish Reformation changed the country from Catholic to Presbyterian

William Pikes (d. 14 July 1556), tanner in Ipswich, arrested during the Marian persecutions as a member of a group studying the Bible in English, burned at the stake in Brentford

Nicholas Ridley (c. 1500 – 16 October 1555), bishop of London, martyred during the reign of “Bloody Mary” (Queen Mary I)

Robert Samuel (d. 31 August 1555), English priest, imprisoned, tortured and burnt to death as a judicial execution, martyred during the reign of “Bloody Mary” (Queen Mary I)

Francisco de San Roman (d. 1540), preacher, the first Protestant burned at the stake in Spain.

Laurence Saunders (d. 8 February 1555), preacher, led barefoot to his execution and burned at the stake, martyred during the reign of “Bloody Mary” (Queen Mary I)

William Sawtrey (d. March 1401), English priest, the first Lollard martyr, his views on a number of issues (including transubstantiation and adoration of the cross) were found to be contrary to the position of the church, he was degraded (stripped of his priesthood) and given over for execution

Rowland Taylor (6 October 1510 - 9 February 1555), Anglican parish priest, martyred during the reign of “Bloody Mary” (Queen Mary I)

Jean Vallière (d. 8 August 1523) was an Augustinian monk burned at the stake for heresy in 1523 for supporting the teachings of Martin Luther.

Joan Waste (c. 1534 - 1 August 1556), a blind woman who was burned in Derby for refusing to renounce her Protestant faith, martyred during the reign of “Bloody Mary” (Queen Mary I)

Edward Wightman (20 December 1566 - 11 April 1612), was an English Baptist, the last person to be burned at the stake for heresy in England.

Dirk Willems (d. 16 May 1569), martyred Anabaptist, most famous for, after his escape from prison, turning around to rescue his pursuer, who had fallen through thin ice while chasing him

 

[pnewton]

It reveals more about the poster than the subject. I guess Jack Chick and Alberto Rivera (or whatever his real name is) will be suggested in the next post.

 

[Janet1983]

It reveals more about the poster than the subject. I guess Jack Chick and Alberto Rivera (or whatever his real name is) will be suggested in the next post.

I don’t know the latter, but the first is pretty alive.
I did just mention people who died for their faith, many of them at the hands of Catholics (especially during the reign of “Bloody Mary”) and some at the hands of Protestants (in the Radical Reformation)…
I do agree however that it does say something about me… I do not support the execution of so called heretics and I do not support governments having religious power or churches having governmental power.
I also do not have a problem identifying myself with people who were executed. I never did, even when I was still Catholic… I was named after Joan of Arc…
Because I was rebaptised (and am an Anabaptist by definition), there are a lot of people on this list…

 

[Della]

I don’t know the latter, but the first is pretty alive.
I did just mention people who died for their faith, many of them at the hands of Catholics (especially during the reign of “Bloody Mary”) and some at the hands of Protestants (in the Radical Reformation)…
I do agree however that it does say something about me… I do not support the execution of so called heretics and I do not support governments having religious power or churches having governmental power.
I also do not have a problem identifying myself with people who were executed. I never did, even when I was still Catholic… I was named after Joan of Arc…
Because I was rebaptised (and am an Anabaptist by definition), there are a lot of people on this list…

And you would be surprised to hear how many Catholics were killed by Protestants. That knife cuts both ways, my dear fellow Christian. We could list Edward Campion and Thomas Moore and many others if you want to go there. No one is debating the fact that people were executed for their faith on both sides–an unfortunate bit of history it does none of us any good to dredge up, IMHO.

The point of this thread was to recognize the contributions and achievements of Protestants to the overall good of Christianity and the world. I’m a former member of 2 Protestant denominations so I know something about the great good the vast majority of those people did for me. I think it’d be better to keep alive that sort of memory and move forward instead of dwelling on past events that cannot be changed and which only keep Christians from fully loving one another as Our Lord commanded us to do. What do you think?

 

[JRKH]

I don’t know the latter, but the first is pretty alive.
I did just mention people who died for their faith, many of them at the hands of Catholics (especially during the reign of “Bloody Mary”) and some at the hands of Protestants (in the Radical Reformation)…
I do agree however that it does say something about me… I do not support the execution of so called heretics and I do not support governments having religious power or churches having governmental power.
I also do not have a problem identifying myself with people who were executed. I never did, even when I was still Catholic… I was named after Joan of Arc…
Because I was rebaptised (and am an Anabaptist by definition), there are a lot of people on this list…

Yes you did but I think that you also either did not completely read my OP or did not understand my intent.

I specifically asked that we avoid original reformers and perhaps I should have also sai anyone who died in the 15 or 16 hundreds. While these people on both sides of teh matter may well have been worthy it inevitably leads to the sorts of posts that have followed yours.

So in order to short ciruit any derailing of this highly useful and charitable thread I will ask all involved to simplty accept the names submitted by Janet and refrain from further comment about the circumstances of their death.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

And you would be surprised to hear how many Catholics were killed by Protestants. That knife cuts both ways, my dear fellow Christian. We could list Edward Campion and Thomas Moore and many others if you want to go there. No one is debating the fact that people were executed for their faith on both sides–an unfortunate bit of history it does none of us any good to dredge up, IMHO.

The point of this thread was to recognize the contributions and achievements of Protestants to the overall good of Christianity and the world. I’m a former member of 2 Protestant denominations so I know something about the great good the vast majority of those people did for me. I think it’d be better to keep alive that sort of memory and move forward instead of dwelling on past events that cannot be changed and which only keep Christians from fully loving one another as Our Lord commanded us to do. What do you think?

Della Thanks for yuor post.

Peace
James

 

[Janet1983]

And you would be surprised to hear how many Catholics were killed by Protestants. That knife cuts both ways, my dear fellow Christian. We could list Edward Campion and Thomas Moore and many others if you want to go there. No one is debating the fact that people were executed for their faith on both sides–an unfortunate bit of history it does none of us any good to dredge up, IMHO.

The point of this thread was to recognize the contributions and achievements of Protestants to the overall good of Christianity and the world. I’m a former member of 2 Protestant denominations so I know something about the great good the vast majority of those people did for me. I think it’d be better to keep alive that sort of memory and move forward instead of dwelling on past events that cannot be changed and which only keep Christians from fully loving one another as Our Lord commanded us to do. What do you think?

I do not deny that there have been carnal and lost Protestants who did not know the true God and who did persecute those who preached from scripture. I actually listed 2 of their victims who became martyrs for the faith defying the authority of the state church.
I do not even deny that there are many many lost people in the Protestant churches to this day as much as there are in the Catholic church.

Matthew 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Repentance and belief is not preached anymore. True repentance seems to be a topic that is too harsh. People do not want to hear about it. They rather after their own lust heap themselves teachers, having itching ears.
We aren’t Christians because at one point be believed, but because we continue to believe.
We aren’t Christians because one day we repented, but because we continue to repent.
Because of my love for God and because I want Him to be glorified I cannot but continue preaching the true Gospel apart from all the mediocrity in the churches.
Apart from God I don’t know anything and I am nothing. He is all I have and He is all I will ever need.
It is not about me. Nothing is about me anymore. It’s all about Him!
What do I have and what can I do? Nothing! I can do nothing without Him!
What do I deserve? Nothing but eternal torments. Nothing more.
People keep telling me I am wrong about that, but I am sure I am not. I was a vile God-hating criminal. I broke every law God has ever given. I don’t deserve anything but hell. I sinned against an infinitely holy God. I insulted the most glorious being in the entire universe and I didn’t do it just once. I did it over and over again. I didn’t do anything but sinning! I didn’t do anything else! I deserve hell and I deserve only that. If God would execute perfect justice there would be no moderation, no mercy.
But he saved me! I don’t have anything apart from Him! He saved me! He bought me with His blood. He paid the price and He saved me!
All I do and all I have is for His glory alone. His glory, not mine.
What else can there be said? He saved me! He took this wretched creature that I was and he saved me!
Everything I have I owe to Him, so why should I hold anything back? He saved me and that is more than I could ever have expected or earned.
I give everything. Everything to God I freely give.

 

[Della]

I nominated a couple of people a few pages ago. It’s been so long, though I can remember exactly who. I think it was C. S. Lewis and Corrie Ten Boom–both good examples of the kind of people JRKH was wanting us to post.

 

[masuwerte]

The New Guinea Martyrs (1942) come to mind. They were Australian, English and Papuan, men and women, lay and ordained. They all had a chance to get out of New Guinea ahead of the Japanese Army, and chose to stay with their missions. I only recall two of their names: Vivian Redlich and Lucian Tanpiedi.

Although he hasn’t been gone 25 years yet, more like two, I would nominate Archbishop Alberto Ramento of the Philippine Independent Church. He was an outspoken advocate for the poor in the Philippines, for the rights of workers. He spoke out against extra-judicial killings by goon squads that worked for local government, and he was murdered in his rectory one night.

 

[JRKH]

Very interesting nomination

Peace
James

 

[mike0678]

**The saints are all those who have been made righteous through the cleansing blood of Christ. ** So every person who has abandoned self, religion, and any other form of trust in something outside of their faith in Christ dying for their sins is and always will be a saint. Do a word search for “saints” in the new testament and you will find that nowhere do we see the term “saints” being used to describe a sub group within the general group of true believers. I’m not sure how one man came to elevate the status or declare sainthood to another but it’s important to recognize that it’s not man that makes men saints, it’s our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Della]

**The saints are all those who have been made righteous through the cleansing blood of Christ. ** So every person who has abandoned self, religion, and any other form of trust in something outside of their faith in Christ dying for their sins is and always will be a saint. Do a word search for “saints” in the new testament and you will find that nowhere do we see the term “saints” being used to describe a sub group within the general group of true believers. I’m not sure how one man came to elevate the status or declare sainthood to another but it’s important to recognize that it’s not man that makes men saints, it’s our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Once again, this is not the topic of this thread. You should start a new thread in the Apologetics forum to ask/state this. If you do, we’ll be happy to discuss it with you.

 

[JRKH]

**The saints are all those who have been made righteous through the cleansing blood of Christ. ** So every person who has abandoned self, religion, and any other form of trust in something outside of their faith in Christ dying for their sins is and always will be a saint. Do a word search for “saints” in the new testament and you will find that nowhere do we see the term “saints” being used to describe a sub group within the general group of true believers. I’m not sure how one man came to elevate the status or declare sainthood to another but it’s important to recognize that it’s not man that makes men saints, it’s our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

I heartily agree with you on this. Everyone in heaven is a saint whether they have been named such or not.
Of course as Della point out (Thank you Della) this is not the purpose of the thread. Please go back and reread the OP and if you know of any individual that you would like to add please do so, we would love to hear.

Peace
James

 

[pnewton]

I do agree however that it does say something about me… I do not support the execution of so called heretics and I do not support governments having religious power or churches having governmental power.

That is not all you listed. Wycliffe, for example died of natural causes.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Now that you guy’s areall through picking and choosing i would like to say that only God knows who is a saint or a sinner, and no one has the right to cannonize, or judge because someone else said so. i will proberly get in trouble for this but I care not. I think ST Thomas needed a wife and he knew to much about sex, and I cannot understand hwo come if he was without sin or sex. i have had it with beliefs that come from men and not Jesus. How can you people believe a lie? Inquireing minds want to know. Am i being uncharitable? I only asked a question. there are millions of saints and they are not cathoilc and they are who God chooses. God Hand picks those who are his. from children to whoever, i think all children are saints and innocent baby’s and woman and kids who die in child births. Protestants are just as good as catholics. If you had 2 children and one went to one church and one to another would you still love them both the same?