Protestant "Saints" - Who would choose to "Canonize"

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mommyof4 said:
C.S. Lewis
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He seems to get several votes.
I didn’t catch it at first but he is on the composite list I posted last night under his full name.
“Clive Staples (Jack) Lewis”.

Thanks mommy:)

Peace
James
 
Gotta add the Hutterite martyrs.

The Hutterites, named after their ‘founder’ believed in adult baptism and total pacifism. They ran counter to the Counter-Reformation and were viciously persecuted in Central and Eastern Europe in the ?17th c. About 2000 were martyred, often burned to death by the established church, the Catholic church. They fled around Europe and eventually settled in the Great Plains, where they thought that they were assured that they would not be drafted, but actually were assured only that no war was imminent.

During WWI, there was a lot of anti-German and anti-pacifist feeling, which ended up being experienced in particular by 3 men, Andre Wurtz and the brothers Joseph and Michael Hofer. Note the German names (they also dressed funny and said German prayers). Andre was lucky and survived the beatings, tortures, starvation and imprisonment. The brothers did not. Sent from Alcatraz to Leavenworth, they were starved, beaten, frozen and hung in chains, but eventually succumbed to pneumonia. Joseph’s wife begged to see his body and for the occasion he was dressed in an army uniform. The second body was not. Eventually the folks in Washington stopped the carnage. Sixteen of the seventeen Hutterite colonies in the US fled to Canada, where they thrived.
 
I assume that the gentleman is simply trying to add some names to the list of people He feels would qualify as saintly.

As to the specifics of the post. It appears that the early ?17th century martyrs, since no names are given, may have been part of the original believers. Since I had asked in my Origianl post that we avoid founders and look primarily at those raised in their respective faith, These would seem to be outside of what was requested.
As for the brothers during WWI this was certainly a horrible act. Of course there was violence perpetrated against many Germans of all religions during that war. Of course I can see where the pacifist aspect of their faith would have made them even more at risk.

So we have three more names to add to the Non-Catholic Saints roster.
Andre Wurtz
Joseph Hofer
Michael Hofer
Hutterites who were martyred for their pacifist beliefs during WWI in America.

Thanks 1234

Peace
James
 
rolltidefan said:
This is a great interesting eye opening thread James…thanks for coming up with it. I know my answer is not what you are looking for, but wanted to post it anyway. I think anybody that has died and made it to heaven is a saint…don’t need man to make me one or say that, God has. I also think Mother Theresa should be sainted by whoever (which she already has been by God) but I think she should officially be made sainted by your church and the heck with 25 years…no greater person lived a life of Godly love that she did. On a personal note of someone that I KNOW is a saint and he died on Thanksgiving 2008, that would be my grandfather. I know of no one personally lived a better Christian life than him. He for me was a true example of how to live a Christian life and I thank God for being able to say I am his granddaughter and hope I can live the life he did. Again, I know this is not what you were looking for, but just had to comment on it in memory of my grandfather. God Bless You.
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You will be happy to hear that Mother Teresa has been declared “Blessed” by the Church, one of the steps to being proclaimed a Saint. She is now known as Blessed (Bl. for short) Teresa of Calcutta. The Church teaches that there are millions of “unknown” saints in heaven, which is why we celebrate “All Saints Day”. We only canonize (a term which simply means “put on the list”) people whose lives have been examined and shown to be examples of “heroic virtue”. The process can be long, but in Bl. Teresa of Calcutta’s case, since her life was very well known and scrutinized already, John Paul II ordered her case brought up sooner.

I could add my deceased mom to the list, as well as many others. She was not a Catholic. She was non-denominational but brought up Episcopalian. Like your grandfather, her love for God was exemplary, as well as her love of others. We cannot know all who are in heaven, but we can be assured that there are many there we would never have guessed would be. 🙂
 
JRKH said:
I assume that the gentleman is simply trying to add some names to the list of people He feels would qualify as saintly.

As to the specifics of the post. It appears that the early ?17th century martyrs, since no names are given, may have been part of the original believers. Since I had asked in my Original post that we avoid founders and look primarily at those raised in their respective faith, These would seem to be outside of what was requested.
As for the brothers during WWI this was certainly a horrible act. Of course there was violence perpetrated against many Germans of all religions during that war. Of course I can see where the pacifist aspect of their faith would have made them even more at risk.

So we have three more names to add to the Non-Catholic Saints roster.
Andre Wurtz
Joseph Hofer
Michael Hofer
Hutterites who were martyred for their pacifist beliefs during WWI in America.

Thanks 1234

Peace
James
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…i think that most of the early Hutterite martyrs weren’t founders and that many were raised in their faith. The persecutions took place over a long time. The point is, the Hutterites had been in the US for at least two generations when the persecutions came to them again, at a time when no one expected it. Times can change quickly is the lesson here.

Also remember the little Amish girls who were killed last year. You may say that they didn’t die for their faith, but they did. Their faith dictated their lifestyle, which called attention to them and set them apart, putting them in harm’s way for molesters and perverts.
 
1234 said:
…i think that most of the early Hutterite martyrs weren’t founders and that many were raised in their faith. The persecutions took place over a long time. The point is, the Hutterites had been in the US for at least two generations when the persecutions came to them again, at a time when no one expected it. Times can change quickly is the lesson here.
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I meant no disrespect to the earlier members, it is just that I was basically thinking in terms of individuals instead of groups. As for the persecutions here, unfortunately our country is just as imperfect as all of the indiviual citizens are. I am of German extraction myself and I remember my mom telling me we should refer to ourselves as “Dutch”. Never thought about it at the time but I’m sure it had to do with some of that “Anti-German” sentiment. I also remember reading in a parish history about the KKK burning a cross across the street from the little church when our parish was being formed in the 19-teens. The Swore there would never be a “Catholic” Church in Sharonville. Hatred runs both ways but it is still just hatred. God help us all.
Also remember the little Amish girls who were killed last year. You may say that they didn’t die for their faith, but they did. Their faith dictated their lifestyle, which called attention to them and set them apart, putting them in harm’s way for molesters and perverts.
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That is an interesting point. I’m not sure exactly what to make of it right now, but it certainly makes one think. Thanks for mentioning it.

Peace
James
 
ASD said:
Can Catholics vote? If so, I say Sophie Scholl, a 20th century St. Agnes. I have Sophie Scholl’s picture on my desktop at work, rotating with Edith Stein, et al.

BTW, the movie was OK.

ASD​

Traditional Latin Mass: Translation and Grammar
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Of course - along with her brother Hans and fellow White Rose member Christian Probst - all three were executed for their resistance to Nazism. :crossrc:

A bit out of left field, but can I nominate the passengers and crew of flight 93, who on 9/11 fought the hijackers and sacrificed their lives in the crash in Pennsylvania, doubtless saving whatever major target that plane was headed for.
 
Pastor Friedrich von Bodelschwingh (1831-1910). He came from a well-known noble family but chose to live on a meager stipend as a pastor to German Lutherans in Paris. After losing his four children to diphtheria in 1869, he began to dedicate his life to social work. He founded first a house for epileptics, then other institutions to help the unemployed, poor working families, and the disabled, begging financial support and sometimes borrowing money trusting that God would find a way to take care of the repayment. Today his social work foundation employs 14,000 staff in Germany.

bethel.de/bethel_en/friedrich_von_bodelschwingh/index.php

Also Arnold Koester, Viennese Baptist pastor who preached – sometimes codified in Biblical imagery – many sermons against the Nazis from the start of their rise to power through all of World War II. He was questioned by the Gestapo but was not imprisoned.
 
JRKH said:
First let ma say that I am not trying to start any sort of “war” here and I know that my use of the term saint might be mis-understood by some so please read on before posting.

James
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i tend to feel that Martin Luther King Jr was a saint or close to it becaue he “knew” he was going to “get it” and yet went forward…

Medgar Evers - same thing…

and there are others i could mention…

but if they totally rejected the Catholic Church… well, then i think not…

does anyone know about either of these men & their views on the RCC?
 
distracted said:
i tend to feel that Martin Luther King Jr was a saint or close to it becaue he “knew” he was going to “get it” and yet went forward…

Medgar Evers - same thing…

and there are others i could mention…

but if they totally rejected the Catholic Church… well, then i think not…

does anyone know about either of these men & their views on the RCC?
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The purpose of the thread was to propose NC for Catholic Sainthood but rather just who Protestants might consider to be in the same “Heroic Virtue” catagory.

Peace
James
 
I vote for Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

Technically, a saint is ANYONE who is in heaven, not just those who are so proclaimed by the church. I suspect there are many protestant and even non-christians there too. 🙂
 
pnewton said:
C.S. Lewis - saint of authors and children

A. T. Robertson - saint of Biblical scholarship

W. A. Criswell - saint of pastors

So, no one wants to nominate Alexander Hyslip as patron saint of conspiracy threorists?
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i read a book about CS Lewis… He was no saint… He probably fornicated with (forget her name)… and he rejected the Catholic Church, although probably not whole-heartedly…
 
distracted said:
i read a book about CS Lewis… He was no saint… He probably fornicated with (forget her name)… and he rejected the Catholic Church, although probably not whole-heartedly…
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The Church as an ample history of saints who are famous for their fornicating . Sts. Augustine & Margaret of Cortona, just two name two. We do not hold that against them.
 
Publisher said:
I’d second George Fox…one of my favorite books of inspiration is his Journal. Friend George would turn over in his grave to think others thought him a saint.🙂
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Publisher, I might have thought you would mention William Penn, unless I missed it.

Jon
 
distracted said:
i read a book about CS Lewis… He was no saint… He probably fornicated with (forget her name)… and he rejected the Catholic Church, although probably not whole-heartedly…
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Please remeber that this is for Non-Catholics to propose people who they consider worthy - in their own conscience and not by any “Church” criteria.

Peace
James
 
grampben said:
Those bad boys questioning authority and getting burned at the stake.
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You took three people that did not meet the premises of the OP, and the objection was therefore correct. Don’t try to make this another “let’s bash the RC church”-thread…
 
SIA said:
I think you need to go figure out which door you checked your manners and sense at.
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I know myself how extremely irritating it is when people continue to make the same accusations (as has happened untold times on this forum) after having had it shot down. So I know how Della feels.

She is technically correct. The Roman-Catholic church did not burn anyone. The kings and princes did.
BUT
We’re talking about a time where the very concept that state and church could be completely seperate, was inconcievable. The church hierarchy was deeply involved in state affairs, and vice-versa.
It must also be clear that had the RC church chosen to, it could have put a halt to those burnings.
 
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