Protestant "Saints" - Who would choose to "Canonize"

[LutheranDK]

Of course - along with her brother Hans and fellow White Rose member Christian Probst - all three were executed for their resistance to Nazism.

Is merely resisting a horrible regime and getting killed for it grounds to become a saint?
I would also say Dietrich Bonhoeffer would be a good candidate. Not for his involvement in the plot to kill Hitler, but because he was martyred. He had been forbidden to celebrate Services, and kept doing it.
I can’t help but admire those who resisted Nazism, and Communism in the East, but to say that doing so and being executed for it is grounds for canonization? No way.

A bit out of left field, but can I nominate the passengers and crew of flight 93, who on 9/11 fought the hijackers and sacrificed their lives in the crash in Pennsylvania, doubtless saving whatever major target that plane was headed for.

I would say “No”. First and foremost, because we have no idea how many of those heroes that were Christians.

 

[grampben]

You took three people that did not meet the premises of the OP, and the objection was therefore correct. Don’t try to make this another “let’s bash the RC church”-thread…

That was a while ago, and I regret those comments.
I was angry at the time and shouldn’t have taken it out on CAF.

But let’s not bring up old comments, most folks here know the last thing I want any thread on CAF to be is a bashing thread! (Since making comments like those I have tried to always be charitable. Often all of us can get carried away.)

 

[ASD]

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Can Catholics vote? If so, I say Sophie Scholl

, a 20th century St. Agnes.Of course - along with her brother Hans and fellow White Rose member Christian Probst - all three were executed for their resistance to Nazism. Is merely resisting a horrible regime and getting killed for it grounds to become a saint?
I would also say Dietrich Bonhoeffer would be a good candidate. Not for his involvement in the plot to kill Hitler, but because he was martyred. He had been forbidden to celebrate Services, and kept doing it.
I can’t help but admire those who resisted Nazism, and Communism in the East, but to say that doing so and being executed for it is grounds for canonization? No way.

Gosh, I don’t know. St. Agnes was canonized (that is, mentioned and remembered in Roman Canon Actionis) because she refused to apostatize in face of brutal cruelty. I guess I was thinking of Sophie Scholl in that way: She adhered to Christian principles in the face of unspeakable, terrifying cruelty. She is an holy exemplar.

ASD​

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[distracted]

The Church as an ample history of saints who are famous for their fornicating . Sts. Augustine & Margaret of Cortona, just two name two. We do not hold that against them.

if he repented of that & was purified of it… no problem… all i know is the stuff i’ve read gave no indication of that… however, the author probably wasn’t all that religious… and maybe that’s why didn’t mention it…(repentence)?

 

[grampben]

if he repented of that & was purified of it… no problem… all i know is the stuff i’ve read gave no indication of that… however, the author probably wasn’t all that religious… and maybe that’s why didn’t mention it…(repentence)?

CS Lewis? He was a prolific christian apologist. Seeing as he often condemned sexual immorality, it would seem that he was repentant of his acts. All have sinned.

 

[LutheranDK]

Gosh, I don’t know. St. Agnes was canonized (that is, mentioned and remembered in Roman Canon Actionis) because she refused to apostatize in face of brutal cruelty. I guess I was thinking of Sophie Scholl in that way: She adhered to Christian principles in the face of unspeakable, terrifying cruelty. She is an holy exemplar.

ASD​

Traditional Latin Mass: Translation and Grammar

But was she a Christian? That’s question no. 1. Question no. 2 would be: Was she murdered because she refused to renounce the Faith, or as a consequence of the Faith, or because of her political activities?

LDK

 

[Zooey]

A bit out of left field, but can I nominate the passengers and crew of flight 93, who on 9/11 fought the hijackers and sacrificed their lives in the crash in Pennsylvania, doubtless saving whatever major target that plane was headed for.

I don’t know about all of them. I do know that there was one young man, Todd Beamer, whose voice is heard on the black box tape saying “Let’s roll!”…He was a fine Christian husband & father.
As for the rest, Somebody really*, really* smart said: “Greater love has no man, than that he lays down his life for his friends”.:sad_yes: Would that we could **all **imitate their courage & their love for others.
Eternal rest grant unto them, & may eternal light shine upon them.

 

[JRKH]

But was she a Christian? That’s question no. 1. Question no. 2 would be: Was she murdered because she refused to renounce the Faith, or as a consequence of the Faith, or because of her political activities?

LDK

An interesting turn here.
Just as a Caveat from the OP’er, it is not my intent that we should try to place too much “RC” overtones onto the “candidates”. Otherwise we sould find ourselves trying to come up with a “Criteria for Non-Catholic Saints” and my guess is we all know how such an exersize would go.
I prefer to keep the field on this thread as open as possible just for the sake of charity.

All of that being said, L-DK and others feel free to continue your conversation. Just wanted to poke in my 2c worth.

I wasnt to express to everyone who has posted how pleased I am thet this thread has been recieved so lovingly and in the spirit intended. Praise God.

Peace
James

 

[ASD]

Gosh, I don’t know. St. Agnes was canonized (that is, mentioned and remembered in Roman Canon Actionis) because she refused to apostatize in face of brutal cruelty. I guess I was thinking of Sophie Scholl in that way: She adhered to Christian principles in the face of unspeakable, terrifying cruelty. She is an holy exemplar.

But was she a Christian? That’s question no. 1.

Yes. And, my understanding is that her resistance to the Nazis was grounded in her Christianity.

Question no. 2 would be: Was she murdered because she refused to renounce the Faith, or as a consequence of the Faith, or because of her political activities?

Well, my understanding is that she undertook her resistance activities, which she knew could lead to execution, for Christian reasons.

But, I admit that her activities were essentially political. I would describe her as a forerunner of Christian Democrats who emerged after the war. On the other hand, surely she isn’t the worst “political” nominee so far? I mean, e.g., AFAIK, she wasn’t a chronic plagiarist or habitual adulterer (adulteress?).

ASD​

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[Hlafdige]

How could I have forgotten to mention Paulus Gerhardt?

This famous hymnist has been called the Wesley of the Fatherland; not for the number of hymns that he wrote but for their quality. Of Gerhardt’s one hundred and twenty-three hymns, all show the mark of real genius, and nearly forty are still in common use. A celebrated preacher, Paulus Gerhardt was born in 1607 and lived through the Thirty Years War. His was mostly a sad life and he did not obtain a settled position until about 44 years of age, when he became minister of the country parish of Mittenwalde, near Berlin. Six years later, he was called to St. Nicholas Church in the capital, and remained there for nine happy years, enjoying universal love and esteem. Attempts had been made to unite the Lutheran and Reformed churches, and in 1664 an edict was issued by the Grand Elector of Brandenburg, virtually prohibiting mutual insults or offensive language between the churches. A strict Lutheran, Gerhardt refused to abide by this ruling, and in consequence was removed from his church in 1666. Driven from home, he and his broken-hearted wife with their children, for two years became wandering exiles.

One evening when staying at a wayside inn, Gerhardt went out, and under the starry sky pondered deeply over his misfortunes. Full of faith and hope, he put his thoughts into poetry and so was born the hymn we know as “Commit thou all thy griefs”. Hurrying back to the inn, he quickly wrote out the verses and at their evening devotions, read them to the family. Buoyed up and cheered by the inspiring poem, they retired to rest. But scarcely had they done so, than a thunderous knocking at the door roused them all. It was a mounted messenger from Duke Christian of Meresberg riding post haste to deliver a sealed packet to Mr. Gerhardt. It was an invitation from the Duke who offered him “Church, people, home and livelihood, and liberty to preach the Gospel as his heart may prompt him”. The church was at Lubben in the Spreewald, where Gerhardt became archdeacon, and ministered until his death in 1676…

stempublishing.com/hymns/biographies/gerhardt.html

 

[distracted]

i think Ronald Reagan was a kind of “saint”…

maybe not all his life… but toward the end of it…

for one thing… if some nut out there in the public tried to shoot me… I think i would resign…

 

[grampben]

i think Ronald Reagan was a kind of “saint”…

maybe not all his life… but toward the end of it…

for one thing… if some nut out there in the public tried to shoot me… I think i would resign…

How does he compare with anyone else mentioned?
Just because he is the icon of American conservatism doesn’t make him honourable in this sense. Wasn’t he and his wife into astrology?

 

[1234]

i read a book about CS Lewis… He was no saint… He probably fornicated with (forget her name)… and he rejected the Catholic Church, although probably not whole-heartedly…

Is that certain? Did he perhaps marry his fornicatee?

I know of some off-the-wall Anglicans who like to think that CS was a virgin…I don’t know the details of his life.

I suspect that if he had lived long enough, he would have taken swimming lessons–so many Anglicans did and do.

 

[Larrymelocik]

there are two

The first is Albert Schweitzer. He believed that we must put our faith into what we do each day. He was really a predecessor to Mother Theresa.

He founded the Albert Schweitzer Hospital in Gabon, wrote numerous theological books, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

The second is Gandhi. He believed in non-violent protest to remove the shackles from Indians, taught love and turn the other cheek and was martyred for his country and countrymen.

larry

 

[ericka1701]

William and Catherine Booth: Founded The Salvation Army in London’s East End in 1865 William was one-time Methodist minister. William preached to the poor, and Catherine spoke to the wealthy, gaining financial support for their work.

 

[distracted]

he shacked up with a woman before he met Mrs Gresham… and they were together for years…

To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and your heart will certainly be wrung and possibly be broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must give your heart to no one, not even to an animal. Wrap it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries; avoid all entanglements; lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket — safe, dark, motionless, airless — it will change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable. The alternative to tragedy, or at least to the risk of tragedy, is damnation. **The only place outside of Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers and perturbations of love is Hell. **

to say someone is “irredemable” because he/she doesn’t want to get hurt is absolutely absurd…

Also maybe it should be considered that

… maybe the person who has buried his/her heart in a “casket” has realized that human (so-called) love is untrustworthy, essentially “worthless”, maybe he/she has found that one real, true Love… “The way, the Truth and the LIfe”… the one who forsakes no one… the one who is always there… and maybe that’s why the person stays away from humans… doesn’t feel like messing that up…

 

[Rose_Maniple]

Anglicans include a number of post-Reformation figures on our calendars of saints without thereby canonizing them. The one exception, as a couple of people have indicated, is King Charles I, who was canonized for defending apostolic succession against the Puritans who wished to do away with the historic episcopate in the Church of England. There is a group called the Society of King Charles the Martyr, but it’s made up (pace the title of this thread) of the kind of Anglicans who would be unlikely to describe themselves as Protestants.

 

[grampben]

he shacked up with a woman before he met Mrs Gresham… and they were together for years…

Where did you get that from? Do you just have a personal dislike for the man?

 

[Zooey]

Where did you get that from? Do you just have a personal dislike for the man?

Well, I know who is being discussed here, though I cannot remember her name, and I think that evidence of any sexual relationship is very much lacking…
The woman was the housekeeper for C S Lewis and his brother for many years. She did indeed live in, but this was the custom of the time, and the place. She was much older than Lewis, not that this proves anything, but he didn’t install a Marilyn Monroe clone in the household. He hired a pleasant older lady, I believe a widow, as housekeeper for them.
Live-in servants were very much the norm in the England of his day, the woman was as respectable as one could ask for, and any rumored (name removed by moderator)roprieties are just that: rumors.
Furthermore, I would point out, that the lady in question worked for the Lewis brothers for some time before Lewis’ conversion to Christianity. Any sin then, would be before he believed in God at all, much less professed Christian faith.
She seems to be hauled out these days, merely to criticize Lewis. One might think, IMO, that time might better be spent :byzsoc: for the souls of the departed, than in imagining what sins they might–or more likely–might **not **have done.

 

[grampben]

Yeah! However Lewis may not have considered himself Irish

Yay someone mentioned Irish politics on CAF!