Protestant saying hello

[guanophore]

Such a denigrating answer only reinforces the fact that Catholics do not want to get their “Traditions” cornered by the Bible and proven wrong by the Bible. The stated purpose of this forum is to “compare and contrast differing religions.” Most of us here want to do that. If you don’t, then why are you here?

I am not sure that you are interested in comparing and contrasting so much. You seem to have a hostile attitude. Why would you want to “corner” people just because they believe differently? What is to be gained by “proving wrong”? It will not happen here, anyway, because educated Catholics know that all the the NT is a product of Sacred Tradition, and that nothing in that NT is contrary to the Sacred Tradition that produced it, since they both come from the same Source (God).

All I am is a witness, I can only say what I am reading in my Bible. What you do with that is up to you; and yes, it is possible for people to know “more than the Catholic Church” for the simple reason that God does not just speak to them.

What you are giving witness to is your perceptions, and what you have been taught, some of it anti-Catholic. CAF is not here for you to “witness” to us poor lost Catholics. It is here to answer questions about the faith.

I agree with you that there is much to know about God, and that God reveals Himself to people outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church. The HS does not contradict HImself, however and he will not “reveal” opposite truths to different people. There is only One Truth.

It certainly does not signify the Catholic Church; but whichever Church we decide this means; it only means that the Church was/is entrusted with the truth; but was not appointed to originate that truth. The catholic Church, when it began after Christ has not been faithful in carrying out this trust EXACTLY AS GOD GAVE IT and this is why they broke away from Protestants of the day to become the Catholic Church. After all; Jesus was a Protestant.

Actually, that verse was written about the Catholic Church. Besides, there is ONLY ONE CHURCH. Jesus did not found “churches”. He does not have “bodies”. But only ONE BODY. All who are members of Christ are therefore members of the One Church.

Your representation of history is very interesting. Who were the Protestants from whom the Catholics “broke away”? How were Catholics not faithful in carrying out God’s Truth. When do you believe the Catholic Church started?

The Scriptures were not “put together by Catholics;” Catholics only translated them into a vernacular of their choice. The Scriptures were put together by God.

I don’t want to burst your anti-Catholic bubble, but the Scriptures were most definitely put together by Catholics. It is also true that they were translated into the vernacular by Catholics. God worked through Catholics to discern among the 400+ texts claiming to be sacred to determine which ones belonged in the NT. The Church also determined which version of the Hebrew Scriptures were used by Jesus and the Apostles, and compiled these into the OT.

The Bible alone does refute those Catholic Traditions not found in the Bible. (NT). Dare I mention an example.

There is no such thing as the “bible alone”. When one reads, one interprets according to their own personal knowledge and experience. Interpretation is a matter of perception.

I encourage to you to dare and mention, but it would be better in the Apologetics forum.

 

[pismopal]

Such a denigrating answer only reinforces the fact that Catholics do not want to get their “Traditions” cornered by the Bible and proven wrong by the Bible. The stated purpose of this forum is to “compare and contrast differing religions.” Most of us here want to do that. If you don’t, then why are you here?

The reason I am here is because I want to be and your opinion of my post is mildly interesting. The post I responded to was asked in the manner of a serious seeker of catholic truths and answered in kind. The response was typical anti Catholic sarcasm…like the kind I have received from SDA people. These “where is that in the Bible” questions are just getting old. Old because they have been answered over and over here. My advice is the same…get some FACTS about our faith and then ask a serious question. “Comparing and contrasting religions” is a little different from accusing Catholics of running from the Bible or having their traditions cornered. How pompous and ignorant. Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and using the numbered references…ask a real question. After doing some fact finding you might not have a question.

 

[stinkcat_14]

The Scriptures were not “put together by Catholics;” Catholics only translated them into a vernacular of their choice. The Scriptures were put together by God.

Let me ask you a very simple question. Here it is:

Today in 2008, you have a bible in your possession that you believe is the inspired word of God. Thirty years after Jesus died, the Bible as you now know it did not exist, but there were some manuscripts of different texts floating around. So that means that at some point X, between 60 and 2008 the Bible as you know it came into existence.

When was X? How did God tell Christians what books belong in the Bible?

 

[Protestant101]

Jesus loves everybody; that is not the point. I am asking, Which Protestant theological system did Jesus teach?

Jesus was a Christian. So are some Protestants. Jesus was indeed a Protestant! Jesus was always protesting the pagan-like religious leaders and church leaders of the day:

Mar 7:9

And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Those religious leaders of Jesus’ day were the ‘Catholics’ that broke away from the “Protestants.” BTW, the Reformation did not start with Luther. It was continued by him.

 

[pete_29]

now i understand ye:thumbsup:

I thought that might help.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Jesus was a Christian. So are some Protestants. Jesus was indeed a Protestant! Jesus was always protesting the pagan-like religious leaders and church leaders of the day:

Those religious leaders of Jesus’ day were the ‘Catholics’ that broke away from the “Protestants.” BTW, the Reformation did not start with Luther. It was continued by him.

who were these religious leaders? what church was that?

Oh my! that is knew to me. where did you get this teaching from if i ask?

 

[justasking4]

stinkcat_14;3439953]
Originally Posted by Protestant101
The Scriptures were not “put together by Catholics;” Catholics only translated them into a vernacular of their choice. The Scriptures were put together by God.

stinkcat
Let me ask you a very simple question. Here it is:

Today in 2008, you have a bible in your possession that you believe is the inspired word of God. Thirty years after Jesus died, the Bible as you now know it did not exist, but there were some manuscripts of different texts floating around. So that means that at some point X, between 60 and 2008 the Bible as you know it came into existence.

When was X? How did God tell Christians what books belong in the Bible?

i would answer in this way. God used the church to bring the NT discover what the NT canon would be. The source of the canon is not the church but God. It would be like an artist using a brush to paint a picture. Even though the brush was used in the creation of the picture it is not the source of the picture. The source of the picture is the artist. So it is with the canon of Scripture.
Now there were a number of tests that the church used to determine which books would belong in the canon and which would not. One such test was apostolic in the sense was the book connected in some way to an apostle? This process took some time to work out.

 

[stinkcat_14]

i would answer in this way. God used the church to bring the NT discover what the NT canon would be. The source of the canon is not the church but God. It would be like an artist using a brush to paint a picture. Even though the brush was used in the creation of the picture it is not the source of the picture. The source of the picture is the artist. So it is with the canon of Scripture.
Now there were a number of tests that the church used to determine which books would belong in the canon and which would not. One such test was apostolic in the sense was the book connected in some way to an apostle? This process took some time to work out.

When did the Church determine the canon of scripture? Or are you just following the Traditions of Protestants and using what has traditionally been accepted by protestants as scripture?

 

[wisdomseeker]

i would answer in this way. God used the church to bring the NT discover what the NT canon would be. The source of the canon is not the church but God. It would be like an artist using a brush to paint a picture. Even though the brush was used in the creation of the picture it is not the source of the picture. The source of the picture is the artist. So it is with the canon of Scripture.
Now there were a number of tests that the church used to determine which books would belong in the canon and which would not. One such test was apostolic in the sense was the book connected in some way to an apostle? This process took some time to work out.

watch out. see that he said that Jesus was a christian protestant like some protestants are you may not be included in his group.

 

[Lampo]

I think St. Augustine sums things up quite nicely:

“The Catholic Church is the work of Divine Providence, achieved through the prophecies of the prophets, through the Incarnation and the teaching of Christ, through the journeys of the Apostles, through the suffering, the crosses, the blood and the death of the martyrs, through the admirable lives of the saints. When, then, we see so much help on God’s part, so much progress and so much fruit, shall we hesitate to bury ourselves in the bosom of that Church? For starting from the Apostolic Chair down through successions of bishops, even unto the open confession of all mankind, it has possessed the crown of teaching authority.”
The Advantage of Believing, 391 A.D.

 

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by jmcrae
Was He a Calvinist, a Lutheran, a Baptist, an Anglican, or a Mennonite?

Protestant101
Jesus loves all of these equally. You will have to decide for yourself what he was, in the context which you have been oriented to here.

Here’ what we can agree on. Christ is the source of all the scriptures. I would think most Christians would believe this. As for theological systems we would have to know which system incorporates the most scripture in its system. Since this is a Roman Catholic forum we can ask was His theological system Roman Catholic? I think we can safely say it was not for the mere fact He never taught the marian doctrines, purgatory, celibate leadership, penance, praying to dead saints, the rosary and many other Roman Catholic doctrines or practices.
Now we can look at which protestant theological system best adheres to the Scriptures. That would require a large thread to work with. Hope this helps…

 

[Lampo]

As for theological systems we would have to know which system incorporates the most scripture in its system.

Well, it couldn’t be any Protestant community because none existed prior to 1517. What “theological system” existed prior to Scripture? There is your answer - the Catholic Church.

 

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by justasking4
As for theological systems we would have to know which system incorporates the most scripture in its system.

Lampo
Well, it couldn’t be any Protestant community because none existed prior to 1517. What “theological system” existed prior to Scripture? There is your answer - the Catholic Church.

Just because a system has been around longer doesn’t mean its true. People have believed and continue to believe false things for centuries.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Here’ what we can agree on. Christ is the source of all the scriptures. I would think most Christians would believe this. As for theological systems we would have to know which system incorporates the most scripture in its system. Since this is a Roman Catholic forum we can ask was His theological system Roman Catholic? I think we can safely say it was not for the mere fact He never taught the marian doctrines, purgatory, celibate leadership, penance, praying to dead saints, the rosary and many other Roman Catholic doctrines or practices.
Now we can look at which protestant theological system best adheres to the Scriptures. That would require a large thread to work with. Hope this helps…

dead saints? was moses dead when he appeared to Jesus?
“for God is a God of the living and not of the dead.”

:tsktsk: :bowdown2:

 

[Lampo]

Just because a system has been around longer doesn’t mean its true. People have believed and continue to believe false things for centuries.

How about a theological system started by Jesus Christ? (aka the Catholic Church.)

 

[Lampo]

As for theological systems we would have to know which system incorporates the most scripture in its system.

How would this be accomplished for the system that was established prior to the Scriptures?

 

[wisdomseeker]

Just because a system has been around longer doesn’t mean its true. People have believed and continue to believe false things for centuries.

that is something for you to think about!

:bowdown2: :yawn:

 

[Lampo]

People have believed and continue to believe false things for centuries.

Especially the last five!

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Actually, they have some “Traditions” that cannot be found within the 66 books, but that can be found in one of the 73 books, which of course explains why they so desperately require them all to be “canon.”

But; lets wait and see if they can supply us with one more Tradition not found in the NT.

Or how about the Protestants did not like them and so they removed them from Scripture:shrug: And in doing so can say its not in the Bible. You surprise me by wanting to hold to a obvious tradition of man that only been practiced for the last 500 or so years in removing books from Scripture.

 

[justasking4]

dead saints? was moses dead when he appeared to Jesus?
“for God is a God of the living and not of the dead.”

:tsktsk: :bowdown2:

What you write is true. Now show me in scripture where we are exhorted to communicate by prayer to the dead?